GT7 Daily Race Discussion

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art3mis
I just hate driving Fuji lol I think it's a badly designed track that races very poorly.

I know exactly what you mean about the Cup track limits at every RC they go to. It's so funny that they can enforce limits at Daytona, Atlanta, and Talladega but have no idea how to enforce limits anywhere else.

It's not just RC for Cup it's any track with a wide apron that cars can run on. Look at Phoenix, Kansas, Vegas, and others of the same design. Every lap you'll see dozens of drivers below the white lines.

Tracks need limits and I prefer them to be enforced by either barriers or surfaces that absolutely cannot be run on. I also understand safety is a thing and so oceans of tarmac get used instead. I'm just saying you don't have limits issues if there's no track outside the limits to drive on :D
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Also, remember how wide the Indy Cars went at T1 when they raced at COTA. Agree, old school tracks without runoff discourage going wide!

I like Fuji, but to each their own!
 
I just can't get a clean run at Fuji, starting top 5 and pace to win or close to it but just get a bump here or there and can't quite catch up to the leader in 6 laps. The citroen drivers are terrible, they're so fast through the never ending right hander but always try to make the impossible pass, line me up and pass me man, its not that hard.

Anyways just not tying my qualy lap together in the atenza so tried a qualy with the genesis and man, lopped off half a second to a 48.7. It tucks its nose in so much better, ill try racing with it tomorrow and my qt should have me right near the from I DrB rooms.
 
brockie
12 laps at yas marina I must say doesn’t excite me but I’ll be happy to take it as it comes.

A lean week you could say, but you can’t have it all 😁
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I'm quite a fan of Yas but 12 laps is a bit long to be fair and gets a bit dull, also not having it at night is a mistake in my mind, a great dreary overcast day doesn't get the juices flowing. I'm still racing it though but nothing this week is getting me [pumped and after 2 races I'm ready to turn it in where as most weeks I'm chomping at the bit to get back in! Had a few quali laps at Fuji and will prob try it out this eve.
newmedia_dev
57 chevvys weren’t meant to be raced but they were, fiesta xr2s were road weapons, 205 gtis, scoobies
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Oh this takes me back with the XR2's, Cosworths, Escorts! What an era that was!!! The absolute dream when I was a teenager was the renault 5 Turbo! absolutely loved that car!
NevilleNobody
I just can't get a clean run at Fuji, starting top 5 and pace to win or close to it but just get a bump here or there and can't quite catch up to the leader in 6 laps. The citroen drivers are terrible, they're so fast through the never ending right hander but always try to make the impossible pass, line me up and pass me man, its not that hard.
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Very frustrating isn't it, I've just recently changed view to the bumper cam with the rear view mirror and now I can see people nearly a second behind coming in like a Nuke to dive bomb from miles away, still can't decide if they're just useless or dirty ???
 
Pace is hotting up in A 😁 so very nearly hit a 2.06.3xx but binned it last corner against the wall!!

Won a race and had a very good race against a AS rated driver, pipped him for the FL at the death, at least it was someone to race, the previous one I ran away with which isn’t much fun.

Also, matched my exact QT which was weird, thought I’d gone faster and there it was, complete same time 😁

@Stringerbell @NevilleNobody funny week all in all, Fuji is the last place I’ll be going because it’s clearly not getting any better and Yabbi Dabbi 😁 might end up just being a TT

Nearly Monday 😁
 

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Did 2 races at Yas Marina in DR E / DR D lobbies. Wild how spreaded the field is there. First race I wanted to pit, drove head first into the pit entrance barrier on the left. Had to reverse, and because of this I probably got distracted and I didn't change tires. So next lap I pit again to now take the soft tires (lap 7). I still come out in 3rd, just before P4. After 12 laps I was still P3 with P4 20 seconds behind.

Second race I tried the 5 laps mediums, 7 laps soft strat. They were maybe a little bit to worn for my liking at the end, but I had to battle quite a lot with them. I was lapping at high 55's, low 56's and finished P4. Everyone behind me miles back, but the guys in front of me were quite quick, one person was doing mid 54's. So there are quite some people with extra accounts I believe.

Another thing that struck me is that even in these low lobbies the new Porsche is absolutely dominant. Didn't see many other cars. Maybe a Lambo and a Ferrari somewhere.
 
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Goanaut
First race I wanted to pit, drove head first into the pit entrance barrier on the left. Had to reverse
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I had this happen too, but when I clicked to change tyres, I didn't spot that the default (which should have directed me to soft tyres) had been on medium tyres!

I managed to knock nearly 3 seconds off my QT, now into the 1.56s - without using the offroad cheat this time 😁. Still finishing last in every race though - soon be back down to DR C 😂
 
Isit me or are some of track limit penalties on Yas Marina ridiculous?

Goanaut
Did 2 races at Yas Marina in DR E / DR D lobbies. Wild how spreaded the field is there. First race I wanted to pit, drove head first into the pit entrance barrier on the left. Had to reverse, and because of this I probably got distracted and I didn't change tires. So next lap I pit again to now take the soft tires (lap 7). I still come out in 3rd, just before P4. After 12 laps I was still P3 with P4 20 seconds behind.

Second race I tried the 5 laps mediums, 7 laps soft strat. They were maybe a little bit to worn for my liking at the end, but I had to battle quite a lot with them. I was lapping at high 55's, low 56's and finished P4. Everyone behind me miles back, but the guys in front of me were quite quick, one person was doing mid 54's. So there are quite some people with extra accounts I believe.

Another thing that struck me is that even in these low lobbies the new Porsche is absolutely dominant. Didn't see many other cars. Maybe a Lambo and a Ferrari somewhere.
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Im driving the BMW Z4 and im getting cleaned out on pace
 
General question:
Are high B or A lobbies less dirty than low/mid B?

I'm often using odd cars that are clearly slower than the Meta. And I'm contemplating changing that for higher lobbies. But only if that means they are cleaner/less aggressive. I don't mind being lower ranked otherwise.
 
bone_tone
I had this happen too, but when I clicked to change tyres, I didn't spot that the default (which should have directed me to soft tyres) had been on medium tyres!

I managed to knock nearly 3 seconds off my QT, now into the 1.56s - without using the offroad cheat this time 😁. Still finishing last in every race though - soon be back down to DR C 😂
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I'll be there waiting for you :)
 
bone_tone
I had this happen too, but when I clicked to change tyres, I didn't spot that the default (which should have directed me to soft tyres) had been on medium tyres!

I managed to knock nearly 3 seconds off my QT, now into the 1.56s - without using the offroad cheat this time 😁. Still finishing last in every race though - soon be back down to DR C 😂
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You manage to 'cheat' in spite of the strict track limits?

About the track limits in general where a lot of people are complaining about: Yes they are strict, but they are the same for everyone. In some corners its annoying because you keep your front tires within (or on) the line and only the back tire just too far, causing a penalty. Would be nice if only 1 wheel within the limits would be allowed. But it is what it is. We just have to do what we always do: use the maximum amount of road that they give us.
 
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newmedia_dev
I like Fuji, it’s a track that is flowing and precise, that for me makes it very fun because it’s the exits that matter not the late braking.

On the limits thing, I really don’t agree, do a few laps find the penalties and then drive around them. The barriers are mental not physical at that point.

If you are running that wide then maybe your corner approach needs to be reshaped not the immovable constant track?
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Yes, I completely agree that most professional motorsports drivers need to reshape their corner approach so that oceans of runoff aren't needed :D
 
I finally did Race C and got thrown into a room with fake SR S maniacs. Two SR B guys in the lineup just pissed off the entire room and everyone went Lord of the Flies. People were dive bombing every chicane and hairpin. I'm pretty sure every car behind 8th place rammed me.

The only thing that made it hilarious was my racecraft. Like a boyscout, I always slow down when chaos is happening up ahead. So when they hit me I'm always more stable than they are. So they would bounce off of me, spin off my front end, or knock me into lateral slides, collecting massive collision penalties for sliding me off track.

One guy completely spun me on a dive bomb on Turn 5. When I caught up to him another car dove on him at turn 5 and took him out. When I'm angry at people in a race I don't directly retaliate but I definitely take away polite considerations and do weird **** (park the car on the apex, side taps to kill their rotation, v-turn for aggressive car placement, etc.). So when the jerk re-entered the track on the exit line I only lifted off the throttle so I wouldn't collect a penalty on the impact. After he stopped spinning he was facing the wrong way. He was overdriving his car to chase me going off every corner until he finally raged out and quit.

We started with 16 cars and the race ended with 12. **** was hilarious and I kept my SR at S.
 
Mattylatvala
Who really race in A? It's a waste of spot
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What a terrifically pointless and unconstructive contribution to the thread!
Mattylatvala
I race with race cars, cars made for this reason...
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You do understand they are DIGITAL and IMAGINARY representations of real cars?

Nobody is scouting the online racing ecosystem for the next roster of McLaren drivers.
 
Barney Da Dog
Pffffffffft - race B is making me think that this could be a week for making liveries.
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It's the track limits for me.

to be clear, I am fine with FIA track limits IF (emphasis on IF) they were consistently applied throughout the game. However, they are not. On some (most?) tracks they use the FIM limits (motorcycle racing) where you are considered to be on track until the entirety of the contact patch is off track, with curbing being counted as part of the track.

In Race C this week, it's the FIA rules where the white line delineates on or off track, and if all four contact patches are over the line, you are off track. AND YET, if I go to the Time Tral for Yas Marina, and turn on the short cut penalty, I can get further off track and not trigger the penalty.

So what are the track limits? How can you practice without consistent rules? Imagine if this were FIFA, and the boundary lines changed from stadium to stadium. Makes no sense.
 
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Voodoovaj
So what are the track limits? How can you practice without consistent rules? Imagine if this were FIFA, and the boundary lines changed from stadium to stadium. Makes no sense.
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It’s actually fairly simple, we don’t often have championship track limit rules applied, I’m pretty sure we can’t actually access that parameter.

It really doesn’t matter in reality though, as all it means is the track limits are very tight, no motorsport grade rules just a simple stay as clean as possible this week on limits.

The way CGV was in the time trial last week was a good indicator of how they are tightening this stuff up now.
 
Voodoovaj
So what are the track limits? How can you practice without consistent rules? Imagine if this were FIFA, and the boundary lines changed from stadium to stadium. Makes no sense.
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Actually... they kinda do, but also regular motorsport already does this.

There's this constant misunderstanding that the white lines are track limits in motorsport, and it's bollocks based on a lack of knowledge of how motorsport works and a misreading of regulations.

Track limits for a given session are what the stewards decide. They're communicated to the drivers in the briefings*, and may be different from session to session at the same event depending on what the stewards (and sometimes drivers) think.

When a specific part of the track hasn't had limits defined, the white lines are the limits. This is what "for the avoidance of doubt" means: when there is no clarity on what the limits are, the limits are the white lines. Otherwise the limits are what have been communicated.


Meanwhile in professional football, the white lines define the pitch but there is no regulation size, only a minimum and a maximum... which differ by regulatory body.

IFAB (the laws under FIFA) gives the absolute maximum and minimum dimensions as 90-120m long and 45-90m wide (which means that a regulation pitch can be a 90m square or an almost 3:1 rectangle of 120x45m), with international pitches (those that host matches between countries) required to be 100-110m long and 64-75m wide. UEFA (the European body) has different stadium categories, with the top category set at 105m x 68m exactly and lower categories at 100-105m x 65-68m. The FA (England) has a "preferred" size of 100m x 64m, effectively acting as a minimum standard, while allowing the same limits as IFAB, although the majority of stadia (being new) have a 105m x 68m pitch to fit the UEFA standards.

If you play at Fulham in the Premier League you'll be on a 100m x 65m pitch. Head away to Napoli next in a European tournament and it's a 110m x 68m pitch. Go to Hull City next in the FA Cup and you're on a 114m long, 74m wide pitch. Coventry City have (I think) the longest pitch in England at 120m (68m wide), Colchester United's is the narrowest at 64m (105m long). My team plays home games on a 106m x 69m pitch for some reason.

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You can, in essence, fit an F1 car either side of Colchester's pitch and still have room for another one next to it with a couple of wheels over the sidelines of Coventry's pitch, and two, nose-to-tail, from Colchester's goal/touchlines to Coventry's - and as all of the ball must go over all of the line to be out, the outer cars would still be in.

As you can see, the boundary lines do change from stadium to stadium...


*Which is the bit GT doesn't do, and that is the bad part: not communicating it to the drivers.

It's clearly capable of doing so - the Lunar Missions in GT6 had clearly defined course limits directly shown to drivers - but doesn't, which is rubbish.
 
Mattylatvala
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Buying slow road cars and tuning them into wild monsters was what I fell in love with back in the days (...GT2 I think it was for me). Just the idea that you can make any affordable real life car faster. Though I never dared to do this with my actual daily driver. I also do appreciate the tightly pre-tuned group 3 and 4 cars that we so often have in the daily races nowadays though.

I'm trying some Yas Marina action again tomorrow I think. I'm not very consistent with my steering and throttle inputs, but maybe I will be by keeping on trying.
 
I think it's been well established, likely many times over, that there are people playing Gran Turismo who prefer racing road cars, there are people who prefer racing racecars, and there are people who like to dabble between disciplines.

Neither are correct nor wrong, it's just a matter of preference.

Luckily for everyone, PD have provided sufficient opportunity to satisfy all needs.

(Even if road car and tuning car races are a little underrepresented)😆
 
For daily C, I managed a lap of 1:54.138 Monday and have been trying to improve ever since, yesterday (Wednesday), I managed a few consecutive clean laps (got no penalty for 5-6 laps) and got a time of 1.54.067. I knew there was time left in the lap had my optimal was a 1:53.7*. After a race I quickly got time for a single lap and did a 153.8* but it was invalidated due to track limits (slightly over the white line). And then pushed again after my second race and finally got in to the 53’s with a 1:53.667, a whole .4 sec. After comparing my previous laps in the data logger I realized that I could probably make it in to the lows 53’s had I gain most of my time in the final 5 corners.
 
What an absolute calamity race B is. I am in DRB lobbies but I am not at full S safety rating so being matched with absolute idiots from front to back. I led 4 races last night, won just one and in the other three was relentlessly punted off with seemingly no penalties at all for side contact. Other two races I was top 3 and punted. No one is even attempting to race, just bomb on at the apex, use the outside car as a brake...every....damn......corner.

Its an absolute %^*&#??@ joke tbh, PD needs to pull their heads out of their rear ends, total and utter $hit show.
 
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NevilleNobody
What an absolute calamity race B is. I am in DRB lobbies but I am not at full S safety rating so being matched with absolute idiots from front to back. I left 4 races last night, won just one and in the other three was relentlessly punted off with seemingly no penalties at all for side contact. Other two races o was top 3 and punted. No one is even attempting to race, just bomb on at the apex, use the outside car as a brake...every....damn......corner.

Its an absolute %^*&#??@ joke tbh, PD needs to pull their heads out of their rear ends, total and utter $hit show.
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Told you 🤣🤣🤣 I haven't turned on the s5 since Monday
 
Famine
Track limits for a given session are what the stewards decide. They're communicated to the drivers in the briefings*, and may be different from session to session at the same event depending on what the stewards (and sometimes drivers) think.
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I did not know this. I'm more of a MotoGP fan and they have 1 consistent rule for all tracks. You can't put both contact patches off track, with "off track" being the painted areas (or grass) beyond the white lines or curbing (as mentioned, curbing is track). It's enforced by transponders rather than stewards.

Stewards are there only to determine when contact was within the limits of sportsmanship.

I'm actually surprised this hasn't been adopted by the FIA.
Famine
Meanwhile in professional football, the white lines define the pitch but there is no regulation size, only a minimum and a maximum... which differ by regulatory body.
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Ya, and that's true all the way down the food chain. Even locally the pitches are of varying sizes, but the lines are still the defining boundaries. That's the point I was making
Famine
*Which is the bit GT doesn't do, and that is the bad part: not communicating it to the drivers.

It's clearly capable of doing so - the Lunar Missions in GT6 had clearly defined course limits directly shown to drivers - but doesn't, which is rubbish.
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