GTAcademy24LemonsRace

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Thank you for the reply deadpool. If the car would be allowed in the competition again, I would love to be a part of the team. I actually had a friend, when I was much younger, who had a 5 series with a stick shift. Great car.

Let me know if you wouldn't mind using your car again, and you would be willing to add me to the team. At a $1,000 this sounds pretty cool to me, I would just need to come up with safety gear. Also, let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I am not great with car repairs, but I am eager to help, and I can turn a wrench.

Thanks again deadpool for stepping forward,

Rees

edit: as to the number of drivers, I noticed you said 4. As for me, I don't mind how many we have, I just would love to be a part of the event. Anywhere between 4-6 sounds good to me, but you obviously have more experience with this.
 
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Thank you for the reply deadpool. If the car would be allowed in the competition again, I would love to be a part of the team. I actually had a friend, when I was much younger, who had a 5 series with a stick shift. Great car.

Let me know if you wouldn't mind using your car again, and you would be willing to add me to the team. At a $1,000 this sounds pretty cool to me, I would just need to come up with safety gear. Also, let me know if there is anything I can do to help. I am not great with car repairs, but I am eager to help, and I can turn a wrench.

Thanks again deadpool for stepping forward,

Rees

edit: as to the number of drivers, I noticed you said 4. As for me, I don't mind how many we have, I just would love to be a part of the event. Anywhere between 4-6 sounds good to me, but you obviously have more experience with this.

I would love to do another race this year, preferably a 24hr race as all the others would be too short with 4 drivers. We used 5 drivers at the last one to cut cost, but I would have preferred to spend more for extra seat time. With a 12-14hr race 2-3 drivers would be best. It also comes down to the goals. If you want to go for the podium, you need to focus on fewer stops and longer stints. I'm looking into getting a fuel cell to speed up fuel filling as the stock tank takes forever.

There's not too much needed to be done wrench wise, the suspension is great apart from the bushings as the prior owner put bilsteins which we got dirty looks for until the judges called the prior owner and he confirmed it. I need to change the plugs/maf/IACV and do a run through to make sure everything else is in good shape. It would also be smart to buy a few spare parts (rad hoses etc) for possible failures. Transportation will be another thing to look at as the car is in south florida. Gotta figure out which race to run too, buttonwillow looks like fun, but short. Doesn't look like any 24hr races scheduled for this year, though they did do the PBIR event last min so anything is possible.
 
So I have a feeling this isn't happening and that I should use the funds for down payment on an NC-MX5. Correct me if I'm wrong. :/
 
I did the Loudon annoying race and it was so much fun. our car broke down which is a shame but I can't thank Tom enough for giving me the spot.

here is a video of me driving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qilHAZOMJDA

anyone thinking of doing it should definitely go for it if you have the chance. it's awesome

Andre, thanks again for joining my team. Had a great time with you there!

And any of you GT Academy finalists watch out for this guy. My team is all pretty fast guys and Andre had us all covered.
 
Andre, thanks again for joining my team. Had a great time with you there!

And any of you GT Academy finalists watch out for this guy. My team is all pretty fast guys and Andre had us all covered.

Lol - I was on the team with the Miata...

I knew it was a bad idea, but wanted the track time so I joined the team - bad move, but I had a lot of fun anyway. The car owners decided not to play along w/ the curse after a weekend of what felt like a fraternity initiation, so I won't be coming back. Maybe if I want to run another Lemons race, I'll write a long and embarrassing apology and donate a Miata to get crushed...
 
Lol - I was on the team with the Miata...

I knew it was a bad idea, but wanted the track time so I joined the team - bad move, but I had a lot of fun anyway. The car owners decided not to play along w/ the curse after a weekend of what felt like a fraternity initiation, so I won't be coming back. Maybe if I want to run another Lemons race, I'll write a long and embarrassing apology and donate a Miata to get crushed...

We had the Fox painted up like a Audi Ur Quattro. Yeah Andre mentioned you were there, I would have stopped by to say hi but I'm a mess and was running around with my hair on fire all weekend managing the team (we were up to 6th place overall at one point).

Glad you had fun and sorry you're now banned for being on that team. 12 votes means they really really managed to piss off a lot of people since these days people are less likely to give curse votes. I'm sure if you want to do it again and you contact Jay Lamm and beg for forgiveness and disassociate yourself with those guys you may be allowed back.
 
We had the Fox painted up like a Audi Ur Quattro. Yeah Andre mentioned you were there, I would have stopped by to say hi but I'm a mess and was running around with my hair on fire all weekend managing the team (we were up to 6th place overall at one point).

Glad you had fun and sorry you're now banned for being on that team. 12 votes means they really really managed to piss off a lot of people since these days people are less likely to give curse votes. I'm sure if you want to do it again and you contact Jay Lamm and beg for forgiveness and disassociate yourself with those guys you may be allowed back.

Hey, no worries - sorry you guys didn't get to finish. It was probably Andre's fault...overdriving the car during an enduro :sly:

Yeah, I just met this group of SCCA racers through a mutual friend who knew that I was looking for some track time. I have a feeling one of the guys did a bit of pissing off (especially in the rain)...when I got on track (last run of day 1) I actually got urgent point-bys from a bunch of people. I can only imagine the type of passing that was performed before I got out there for someone to actually let me by.

It also probably didn't help that the team had a terrible theme and car was a FM (the F doesn't stand for "flyin'"). After we traded IM's I was thinking about building a 1st generation Ford Probe into a Star Trek space shuttle or something, but couldn't dedicate the time with all the other training.

If I do head back I would still want to fulfill the People's Curse and sacrifice a Miata.
 
Hey, no worries - sorry you guys didn't get to finish. It was probably Andre's fault...overdriving the car during an enduro :sly:

Yeah, I just met this group of SCCA racers through a mutual friend who knew that I was looking for some track time. I have a feeling one of the guys did a bit of pissing off (especially in the rain)...when I got on track (last run of day 1) I actually got urgent point-bys from a bunch of people. I can only imagine the type of passing that was performed before I got out there for someone to actually let me by.

It also probably didn't help that the team had a terrible theme and car was a FM (the F doesn't stand for "flyin'"). After we traded IM's I was thinking about building a 1st generation Ford Probe into a Star Trek space shuttle or something, but couldn't dedicate the time with all the other training.

If I do head back I would still want to fulfill the People's Curse and sacrifice a Miata.

The rumor i heard was there were a bunch of pit speed violations that weren't seen by the judges every time, but the track manager came down and threatened to throw your team out, but Jay smoothed it over. Apparently a few of the other teams weren't thrilled either. I personally didn't witness any on-track asshattery but I'd guess that may have happened as well. I have a feeling while some of your team may have just wanted to enjoy some track time being that you started with 100 penalty laps for bringing a Spec Miata, some others wanted to do everything they could to make up that time.

A 1st gen Probe in a Star Trek theme is exactly what you need to bring to have fun. Anyone can show up in a SM and slap everyone around, its way more fun when you have to work to make the car fast, and make it survive. It is VERY time consuming, we are running 3 events this year and so far have had to replace the roll cage (it failed tech) and this weekend we are replacing the engine we blew up. But its totally awesome and worth it.
 
The rumor i heard was there were a bunch of pit speed violations that weren't seen by the judges every time, but the track manager came down and threatened to throw your team out, but Jay smoothed it over. Apparently a few of the other teams weren't thrilled either. I personally didn't witness any on-track asshattery but I'd guess that may have happened as well. I have a feeling while some of your team may have just wanted to enjoy some track time being that you started with 100 penalty laps for bringing a Spec Miata, some others wanted to do everything they could to make up that time.

A 1st gen Probe in a Star Trek theme is exactly what you need to bring to have fun. Anyone can show up in a SM and slap everyone around, its way more fun when you have to work to make the car fast, and make it survive. It is VERY time consuming, we are running 3 events this year and so far have had to replace the roll cage (it failed tech) and this weekend we are replacing the engine we blew up. But its totally awesome and worth it.

Right on - I'll hit you up again for tips if my buddy and I want to try to create a space shuttle.

Ah yes, I've seen that rumor about pit speed. Basically one of the guys on our team was driving to head out on track, and an official stepped out from around a corner and scared the 🤬 out of himself (I don't think Leos was going 10, but he wasn't WOT blowing around the paddock like the rumors suggest). It was also a one time issue. Since the drivetrain/exhaust was entirely stock, the car was very quiet and he probably didn't hear the car before stepping out. It's true that the track manager came down to talk to us, but he was clearly mostly ball busting. Jay wasn't really involved, and we didn't even get a penalty. The stupidest thing about the situation is that the team wasn't even trying to make up laps, even if it seemed like it - after the 100 lap penalty (we didn't even bother trying to bribe) we fueled in the paddock, had lackadaisical driver changes, and weren't even pushing the car (except probably that same guy in the rain...).

As for the car - unfortunately for us it looked more "racer" than it was. The only parts that came from a Spec Miata were the door (with stupid stickers...in hindsight these should have been scraped off), roof, and cage. Everything else was either garbage parts or from the original salvage miata itself. This from one of the guys who helped the team build the car:

"The Miata in question was the biggest piece of crap Miata that I've ever heard about being allowed on a race track. Cage from a car that was speared/totalled at NHIS 3 years ago. Severely used shocks that compressed from gravity when extended. Body panels, a door and roof from a car that cartwheeled 4 times through the downhill at Lime Rock. Throw-out, junk spent motor. That Miata was a trash heap that was barely fit to race...we were running the sway bars that came with the chassis, and the springs were 2.5" ID springs that we were running without spring locators that were returns from my work that could not be sold as new. The condition of the roof was such that Lemons Tech made us patch it op a bit with duct tape for fear of it breaking at the driver's side B-pillar. Our lap times were about 5 sec off a good SM time, quite a bit more than just the improvement in tires."

Bottom line - IMO the rumors aren't as bad as it actually was, but the team showed up with the WRONG mindset. They had followed the LETTER of the rules, but not the INTENT of the rules, which is the entire point.

I should have taken Tommy's IM's more seriously...but track time is like heroine, and I have yet to turn down seat time. Lessons learned for sure.

Some advice (our team learned the hard way) for the GT Planet guys building a Lemons car:
1) Don't try to get a racing contract via Lemons...there aren't any scouts, and it's pretty much looked down upon
2) The worse the car, the better - theme is everything. One of the "best" cars was a Volvo wagon-turned-convertible that was painted like a black and white cow.
3) Stay under the radar and out of trouble.
 
Right on - I'll hit you up again for tips if my buddy and I want to try to create a space shuttle.

Definitely, no prob anytime!

Ah yes, I've seen that rumor about pit speed. Basically one of the guys on our team was driving to head out on track, and an official stepped out from around a corner and scared the 🤬 out of himself (I don't think Leos was going 10, but he wasn't WOT blowing around the paddock like the rumors suggest). It was also a one time issue. Since the drivetrain/exhaust was entirely stock, the car was very quiet and he probably didn't hear the car before stepping out. It's true that the track manager came down to talk to us, but he was clearly mostly ball busting. Jay wasn't really involved, and we didn't even get a penalty. The stupidest thing about the situation is that the team wasn't even trying to make up laps, even if it seemed like it - after the 100 lap penalty (we didn't even bother trying to bribe) we fueled in the paddock, had lackadaisical driver changes, and weren't even pushing the car (except probably that same guy in the rain...).

Glad to hear it wasn't as bad as I heard. The whole race is like a game of telephone with 55 teams and a message board everyone rants on sooo....

As for the car - unfortunately for us it looked more "racer" than it was. The only parts that came from a Spec Miata were the door (with stupid stickers...in hindsight these should have been scraped off), roof, and cage. Everything else was either garbage parts or from the original salvage miata itself. This from one of the guys who helped the team build the car:

"The Miata in question was the biggest piece of crap Miata that I've ever heard about being allowed on a race track. Cage from a car that was speared/totalled at NHIS 3 years ago. Severely used shocks that compressed from gravity when extended. Body panels, a door and roof from a car that cartwheeled 4 times through the downhill at Lime Rock. Throw-out, junk spent motor. That Miata was a trash heap that was barely fit to race...we were running the sway bars that came with the chassis, and the springs were 2.5" ID springs that we were running without spring locators that were returns from my work that could not be sold as new. The condition of the roof was such that Lemons Tech made us patch it op a bit with duct tape for fear of it breaking at the driver's side B-pillar. Our lap times were about 5 sec off a good SM time, quite a bit more than just the improvement in tires."

Bottom line - IMO the rumors aren't as bad as it actually was, but the team showed up with the WRONG mindset. They had followed the LETTER of the rules, but not the INTENT of the rules, which is the entire point.

Showing up with "Mazdaspeed" decals and half peeled off "SM" on the doors is like asking for trouble. But I'm glad you see and can describe the Mindset of the series. That whole letter vs intent is why the judges have the ability to just throw BS laps around like candy, because something that way outclasses every other car can easily be built and theres no way around it without making super intricate rules and restrictions that will end up just pissing people off. I personally prefer their ability to allow you to negotiate if you want, but their decision is final and if don't like it go home. This way there are no questions in the end.

I should have taken Tommy's IM's more seriously...but track time is like heroine, and I have yet to turn down seat time. Lessons learned for sure.

Some advice (our team learned the hard way) for the GT Planet guys building a Lemons car:
1) Don't try to get a racing contract via Lemons...there aren't any scouts, and it's pretty much looked down upon
2) The worse the car, the better - theme is everything. One of the "best" cars was a Volvo wagon-turned-convertible that was painted like a black and white cow.
3) Stay under the radar and out of trouble.

Exactly right, all great points.
If you don't mine, I may add:

4) Don't bring a Miata or E30 BMW, unless you have the most epic of epic themes.
5) Just be cool and calm about it, the races are 15 hours minimum, you aren't going to win on 1 lap or 1 pass, but you can lose on it.
6) Every one is in the same boat or worse, but good driving can make the difference. My team stayed clean and the car stayed reliable on the track, and we ended up in 6th place 1/4 of the way through ahead of way faster and more powerful cars, and probably would have stayed there if we didn't have that clutch issue.
 
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