GTDesigned: A Community Vision GT Project

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wvmgmidget
@LosCules24SFA when the voting begins you should edit the title to attract more attention to the thread.
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Or just ask Jordan or other poster for a news article. :)

Gt4lover
So when's the poll starting? I want to see how hard I will lose! XD
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What design are you entering? I think I will lose too :)

TacoParty
I guess I'm submitting my wedge louvre mobile. Is this a vote for the external design or for lead designer of the whole project?
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Which one is that? There have been so many designs in this thread it's amazing :D
 
My twinnie engine 1650 HP Miata sized pop up headlights having sports-coupe. I've got every engineering aspect of this design covered. My only problem with some of the other designs are all engineering issues. Even with the rotex, I mean look at the size of that 2 cylinder 800cc engine, with the turbo it's as big as my accord's 2.2 liter i4. Trying to scale that into a v4 and increasing the cylinder size to 550 cc each (from 400cc each max bore) seems pretty wild for a paltry 600 HP. Oh i should mention mine right now is using gull-wing doors but I was experimenting with suicide doors if people prefer it.
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TacoParty
My twinnie engine 1650 HP Miata sized pop up headlights having sports-coupe. I've got every engineering aspect of this design covered. My only problem with some of the other designs are all engineering issues. Even with the rotex, I mean look at the size of that 2 cylinder 800cc engine, with the turbo it's as big as my accord's 2.2 liter i4. Trying to scale that into a v4 and increasing the cylinder size to 550 cc each (from 400cc each max bore) seems pretty wild for a paltry 600 HP. View attachment 274484
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:D that one. :D I like that one. :) I wouldn't mind building that profile as our VGT. lol. No vote needed. :D
 
the main difference would be the active suspension I think. You've all seen the williams f1 car with active right? it shoots through turns full speed with no problem. that with advanced ground effects (i've heard the 2010 RB6 made enough downforce from the bottom of the car that it could drive upside down without it's wings) will make it relatively easy to drive. And what's truly great is my engine management ideas. at half throttle the car is essentially a AWD car, with the v4 revving to about 10000 RPM to produce ~250 HP, and the flat 6 producing about 300 HP at around 4000 RPM. but as you gun the throttle you get more power to the rear, unleasing that 1200 HP flat 6 at full boost. The ERS mostly kicks in between gear shifts to keep power even, particularly in the lower end of the powerband for the Flat-6. I also envisioned several selectable "driving modes" (activated with the button usually reserved for NOS), for either a more "mellow" driving experience, or to finesse through tricky turns where you want to stomp to get the rear end out but you don't want to ditch yourself.
 
TacoParty
the main difference would be the active suspension I think. You've all seen the williams f1 car with active right? it shoots through turns full speed with no problem. that with advanced ground effects (i've heard the 2010 RB6 made enough downforce from the bottom of the car that it could drive upside down without it's wings) will make it relatively easy to drive. And what's truly great is my engine management ideas. at half throttle the car is essentially a AWD car, with the v4 revving to about 10000 RPM to produce ~250 HP, and the flat 6 producing about 300 HP at around 4000 RPM. but as you gun the throttle you get more power to the rear, unleasing that 1200 HP flat 6 at full boost. The ERS mostly kicks in between gear shifts to keep power even, particularly in the lower end of the powerband for the Flat-6. I also envisioned several selectable "driving modes" (activated with the button usually reserved for NOS), for either a more "mellow" driving experience, or to finesse through tricky turns where you want to stomp to get the rear end out but you don't want to ditch yourself.
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I like your car but I think 1600 hp is overkill.. Mine only has 652 or so and it's going to be FAST. Lol
 
TacoParty
the main difference would be the active suspension I think. You've all seen the williams f1 car with active right? it shoots through turns full speed with no problem. that with advanced ground effects (i've heard the 2010 RB6 made enough downforce from the bottom of the car that it could drive upside down without it's wings) will make it relatively easy to drive. And what's truly great is my engine management ideas. at half throttle the car is essentially a AWD car, with the v4 revving to about 10000 RPM to produce ~250 HP, and the flat 6 producing about 300 HP at around 4000 RPM. but as you gun the throttle you get more power to the rear, unleasing that 1200 HP flat 6 at full boost. The ERS mostly kicks in between gear shifts to keep power even, particularly in the lower end of the powerband for the Flat-6. I also envisioned several selectable "driving modes" (activated with the button usually reserved for NOS), for either a more "mellow" driving experience, or to finesse through tricky turns where you want to stomp to get the rear end out but you don't want to ditch yourself.
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Limit it to 300 Bhp with all that tech, and fine but more than double a Huayra's power through a car that small in terms of wheelbase and with less aerodynamic grip than an F1 car designed by Adrian Newey (contrary to your claim) and, lets be honest, less than a Huayra itself even with active suspension and all, it will be quite simply undriveable.

WhiterunGuard
So I'm not the only one who immediately thought of a Stratos...and no not necessarily 1600hp. 500hp would be enough, with better suspension/chassis technology to hold to the road better.
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500 is honestly still way too much for such a small wheelbase, the only chassis tech which may help is 4 wheel steering like the 991
GT3 but it'll only help so much.

As for the comparison:

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It basically is a Stratos with a more prominent diffuser and chin spoiler.
 
I think a laser powered wingsuit car is a bit overkill too, but that's sort of the point of VGT. No limits. No budget. Just the "vision" of a perfect car. I used my favorite cars to help me design this. Alfa Romeo 4C, Lancia Stratos, Dino 246, TVR Speed 6. Than I fused that with the technologies from my favorite track cars, the williams FW15, Red Bull RB6, Indy Cars, FXX-K, even the Ducati 1199 played a roll in my inspiration. I thought if I was going to have a car with active suspension, which Martin Brandl thought would make F1 boring, it needed an engine that could again give you a bit of thrill. If a car handles too well it can be boring. This car channels air from under the body through the car and out the back, simultaneously pulling air into the intakes creating an EXTREME negative pressure zone under the car, a technology the Stratos never had. I incorporated microdivets into the actual texture of the carbon fiber chassis to create a golf-ball like effect, reducing air separation and therefore drag. I wanted a car that could still push our limits, and yet be drivable. Something like the RedBull x2014 but a little more satisfying. And louvers. And pop up headlights.
 
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sk8er913
I like your car but I think 1600 hp is overkill.. Mine only has 652 or so and it's going to be FAST. Lol
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^ This in a realistic aspect. If it was meant for drag racing, I would understand. The question that would stand would be it's weight. If it is crazy light like the original Stratos was, or even lighter, I don't think the body would be able to support that much power from the car.
 
TacoParty
I think a laser powered wingsuit car is a bit overkill too, but that's sort of the point of VGT. No limits. No budget. Just the "vision" of a perfect car. I used my favorite cars to help me design this. Alfa Romeo 4C, Lancia Stratos, Dino 246, TVR Speed 6. Than I fused that with the technologies from my favorite track cars, the williams FW15, Red Bull RB6, Indy Cars, FXX-K, even the Ducati 1199 played a roll in my inspiration. I thought if I was going to have a car with active suspension, which Martin Brandl thought would make F1 boring, it needed an engine that could again give you a bit of thrill. If a car handles too well it can be boring. I wanted a car that could still push our limits, and yet be drivable. Something like the RedBull x2014 but a little more satisfying. And louvers. And pop up headlights.
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That's my point. It will not be driveable. At all.

Your aerodynamic claims are way too flawed, as are your claims of active suspension helping. GT6 is a realistic driving game, physics still works, budget doesn't necessarily affect aerodynamics.

The 2X works because it is at least partly feasible. This idea is so flawed I doubt it'd even get off the line without spinning, no matter what electronic system you use.
 
I built the chassis around specs for the f-22 raptor, including an even further refined canopy material, the literal LATEST (as in from a paper from dec 10th from NCSU available here http://phys.org/news/2014-12-high-entropy-alloy-aluminum-strong-titanium.html) in metal technology, in addition to a variety of other technologies I've read about. Creating huge negative pressure underneath a car isn't sci-fi, it's been done. Imagine something like the Chapparal 2J except with Passive Suction rather than a powered fan.
 
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TacoParty
I built the chassis around specs for the f-22 raptor, including an even further refined canopy material, the literally LATEST (as in from a paper from dec 10th from NCSU available here http://phys.org/news/2014-12-high-entropy-alloy-aluminum-strong-titanium.html) in metal technology, in addition to a variety of other technologies I've read about. Creating huge negative pressure underneath a car isn't sci-fi, it's been done. Imagine something like the Chapparal 2J except with Passive Suction rather than a powered fan.
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My problem isn't the chassis materials. I'll break them down for you.

  1. Over double the power of a Huayra in a super short wheelbase of the Lancia Stratos, which if you look at footage of it driving you'll realise 1,600 BHP is way too much.
  2. Your downforce claims are ridiculous. The 2J and RB6 you name check were designed exclusively for aerodynamic performance (with the RB6 using loopholes in the F1 rule book) whereas the Stratos (which your car so clearly is a carbon copy of) was designed in the 70s to look good, and work in a WRC championship. Not exactly a downforce-fest.
  3. All the systems/chassis materials you also namechecked, active suspension, and materials above will only go so far in terms of grip.
  4. 2 engines and a KERS unit will not fit in the Stratos's body size, and 2 engines also go against the poll. But I'll let that slide.
  5. You've said you're making negative pressure. Tell me, are you really? Theoretical aero doesn't always work and you've provided no proof of concept so I'm gonna just put it down to designers aerodynamics rather than Adrian Newey analysing CFD models and working with an F1 team to shape it.
  6. Last year's Williams F1 car performed poorly when more of its complex aero was in place, so the Stratos body may not actually work with the underbody despite the claims.
  7. Have a look at the Formula Gran Turismo. 800 BHP and it's a challenge to drive quickly, that's with unlimited aero in a proper F1 chassis, imagine double the power of that. Could you honestly even claim to drive it?
 
The only car that I know of in theory that can work with 1600+ HP and still drive around a track is the Red Bull Fan Cars.
 
Having a dramatic power curve allows you to, especially utilizing proper engine management techniques, have much less power being put to the wheel at all times. The only time you'd have the full 1650 HP is during a sprint with all 3 engines producing power, which as I've said would pretty much never be the case. The engines each fill in each others holes, rather than put all power to the floor at all times. Beyond that, while the chassis is similar to a Lancia up top, i've shown in other drawings how I intend to draw air from underneath the car and channel it through the body, a trick the lancia never had. And being able to keep the car flat, never too high or two low, really improves that effect further. Williams F1 hasn't had active suspension in quite some time (as it was banned in 93), so their results last year don't phase me. All that being said, if you can't drive it, you can also put on the power limiter. If you find yourself still struggling my suggestion would be to use traction control. But of course if there are still objections we can lower the displacement of the flat-6 in the rear to a more modest 3 liter, and tune the engine for more power in the low-mid RPM range. I can see us being able to put out ~ 600 HP from the rear engine, giving the car a maximum power of about 1000 HP, giving it a power to weight ratio of about 1hp per kg. But even 1.5 HP per Kg isn't a absurd amount, the 9ff-gt9 VMAX puts out as much as a veyron only through it's rear wheels and still manages to not go flying into space, and the SSC Tuatara is aiming for power to weight ratios similar to what I suggest. So I'll leave it up to the people, we can go balls the wall and gun for 1200 HP on the rear wheels, or mellow out with 600 Hp so that even the less skilled of us here can drive it.

Edit: Legacy, are you using a wheel in game or DS3? I realize this car might be a bit much to handle without a wheel and pedals.
 
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TacoParty
so that even the less skilled of us here can drive it.
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I don't think that is the problem, after all gt6 is pretty easy to get the hang of :), after thinking about it Legacy is right...I still like the body design but I think the power needs cut at least a little... I just hope we get this settled before people start arguing.:nervous:
 
TacoParty
Having a dramatic power curve allows you to, especially utilizing proper engine management techniques, have much less power being put to the wheel at all times. The only time you'd have the full 1650 HP is during a sprint with all 3 engines producing power, which as I've said would pretty much never be the case. The engines each fill in each others holes, rather than put all power to the floor at all times. Beyond that, while the chassis is similar to a Lancia up top, i've shown in other drawings how I intend to draw air from underneath the car and channel it through the body, a trick the lancia never had. And being able to keep the car flat, never too high or two low, really improves that effect further. Williams F1 hasn't had active suspension in quite some time (as it was banned in 93), so their results last year don't phase me. All that being said, if you can't drive it, you can also put on the power limiter. If you find yourself still struggling my suggestion would be to use traction control. But of course if there are still objections we can lower the displacement of the flat-6 in the rear to a more modest 3 liter, and tune the engine for more power in the low-mid RPM range. I can see us being able to put out ~ 600 HP from the rear engine, giving the car a maximum power of about 1000 HP, giving it a power to weight ratio of about 1hp per kg. But even 1.5 HP per Kg isn't a absurd amount, the 9ff-gt9 VMAX puts out as much as a veyron only through it's rear wheels and still manages to not go flying into space, and the SSC Tuatara is aiming for power to weight ratios similar to what I suggest. So I'll leave it up to the people, we can go balls the wall and gun for 1200 HP on the rear wheels, or mellow out with 600 Hp so that even the less skilled of us here can drive it.

Edit: Legacy, are you using a wheel in game or DS3? I realize this car might be a bit much to handle without a wheel and pedals.
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It's never actual producing 1650 BHP... So why the hell do you need 3 engines? That'll add pointless weight to the car and will also mean the car will be a lumpy Frankenstein of a Stratos and generally look crap.

Williams' performance in 2013 was to explain that all your talk of aero isn't valid without testing and may have worse performance in corner.

TC in GT6 is horrid, cuts power way too savagely so nobody uses it because it drains all your power. You're better off making a manageable car which doesn't need TC, so 600 BHP in your bee-stung Stratos, if unmanageable (again, go try an actual Stratos in GT6 with 300 BHP and your best setup, and you'll see the short wheelbase actually is the problem) will actually be slower than a 300 BHP one with a well sorted chassis.

1000 BHP in a rear engined car, go try a RUF BTR with any setup you like. Go ahead. See the problems?

The RUF was horrible in terms of traction, especially compared to an Ariel Atom (See TopGear UK VS Germany) so it's a pretty moot point. The Tuatara... Remind me, how does that drive? Oh that's right, it doesn't.

As for 600bhp, the 2 engines idea is moot if we can use a single V6 engine with a hybrid unit. Therefore the whole concept is massively flawed, as I have already pointed out.

As for DS3 vs Wheel. 1650BHP, as claimed would be way too much for either, 600 would still be fairly difficult for most in a Stratos-rip-off, as pointed out so many times.
 
legacyMACHINE
Limit it to 300 Bhp with all that tech, and fine but more than double a Huayra's power through a car that small in terms of wheelbase and with less aerodynamic grip than an F1 car designed by Adrian Newey (contrary to your claim) and, lets be honest, less than a Huayra itself even with active suspension and all, it will be quite simply undriveable.


500 is honestly still way too much for such a small wheelbase, the only chassis tech which may help is 4 wheel steering like the 991
GT3 but it'll only help so much.

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View attachment 274535 It basically is a Stratos with a more prominent diffuser and chin spoiler.
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:D Wow; I didn't know how much he copied... try to do that to my car? :D I want to see how close you can get. :D Helpful hints; during development I had the following cars in mind: 956 Porsche, TS030, Toyota 7, Nissan 92CP, and generic Sports Bike. :D




Grandea GTR
In other news, another facelift has been made, as well as the engine & interior. Pics coming soon. 👍
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Cant wait I really liked the design you post a page or two ago. :D
 
sk8er913
:D Wow; I didn't know how much he copied... try to do that to my car? :D I want to see how close you can get. :D Helpful hints; during development I had the following cars in mind: 956 Porsche, TS030, Toyota 7, Nissan 92CP, and generic Sports Bike. :D





Cant wait I really liked the design you post a page or two ago. :D
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Seeing a lot of 917 at the rear, the front has the more modern nose shape similar to a Peugeot 908 HDi FAP, or indeed a TS030. The car is very Can-Am alike overall with an LMP influence. I'm seeing, maybe just a lack of sleep today, but 787b in the front pods, mainly the headlights.

A nice looking think overall, and I think it'd look good in GT, especially a nice livery.
 

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