GTP Cool Wall: 1969-1978 Nissan/Datsun Z

1969-1978 Nissan/Datsun Z


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I don't get the hate on the 280Z, it's just as pretty as the others and while strangled by emissions and further handicapped by its extra weight added over the years, it's still a fantastic car in its own right.

I fail to see how this

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Is any less attractive than this

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When truthfully the only thing really making it "ugly" is the bumper bars which were mandatory at the time if I recall correctly?
 
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When truthfully the only thing really making it "ugly" is the bumper bars which were mandatory at the time if I recall correctly?

That's about the only aspect I find less cool about the later Z cars. The "fatter" design and emission controls making most of the later models slower than the earlier 240Zs - even with gradually larger motors - doesn't do too much to persuade me to give them anything below Meh.

Though most of us here are most likely thinking of the 240Z when voting anyway. Non of the later cars prior to the 280ZX can really bring down my vote for the original Z.
 
I don't get the hate on the 280Z, it's just as pretty as the others and while strangled by emissions and further handicapped by its extra weight added over the years, it's still a fantastic car in its own right.

I fail to see how this

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Is any less attractive than this

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When truthfully the only thing really making it "ugly" is the bumper bars which were mandatory at the time if I recall correctly?

For me it's those US spec bumpers and side lights that ruin it.

Still looks decent, but remove said atrocities then it's better.
 
1969-1978 Nissan/Datsun Z nominated by @Custom878

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Stats

Production
1969-1978

Styles
2-door coupe
2-door 2+2 coupe

Engines
S20 121 ci/1,989 cc naturally aspirated DOHC inline 6 (rated 160 HP & 130 lb-ft in standard spec or ??? HP & ??? lb-ft in Z432R spec)
L20 122 ci/1,998 cc naturally aspirated OHC inline 6 (rated 150 HP & ??? lb-ft, apparently)
L24 146 ci/2,393 cc naturally aspirated OHC inline 6 (rated 151 HP & 146 lb-ft)
L26 157 ci/2,565 cc naturally aspirated OHC inline 6 (rated 140 HP & ??? lb-ft in early U.S. spec or 162 HP & 157 lb-ft in non-U.S. and late U.S. spec)
L28E 168 ci/2,753 cc naturally aspirated OHC inline 6 (rated 170 HP & 163 lb-ft)

Transmissions
4-speed manual
5-speed manual
3-speed automatic

Layouts
Front-engine, Rear-drive

Names
Nissan Fairlady Z
Datsun 240Z
Datsun 260Z
Datsun 280Z

Trivia & Useful Notes
Rather than try to pick sides as far as naming goes, I decided to just call it the Z and list the names in the post itself.

Japanese versions carried the L20 engine normally, but special Fairlady Z432 and Fairlady Z432R models were used the S20 engine out of the then-current Skyline GTR. A few of the ~420 Z432 models built were used as police cars in Japan, the lighter & more powerful Z432R homologation special presumably being too expensive.

Another homologation special was the Fairlady ZG, with a special aerodynamic nose, fender flares riveted to the body, a rear spoiler, acrylic glass headlight covers, and fender-mounted rear view mirrors. This was never sold outside Japan, but to homologate this model for competition in the United States, the special nose kit was sold from dealerships as the "G-nose". 240Zs with it installed are referred to as 240ZGs.

The 5-speed manual wasn't available in the US until 1977, and the 260Z wasn't avaialble with it period.

A heavily modified variant known as the "Devil Z" appears in Wangan Midnight. The name comes from the car apparently being cursed or posessed, becoming extremely fast but attempting to kill its drivers. Most likely, the car would be dangerous even without the supernatural issues, as it's been fitted with the best engine upgrades available (including a massive displacement increase) and is putting down cranked up muscle car levels of horsepower through 1970's suspension and brake technology.

Tokyo Xtreme Racer/Shutokou Battle/Tokyo Highway Challenge? titles have also featured this car in various forms. Tokyo Xtreme Racer featured this car, though it required some hoop-jumping (though no hacks) to acquire in the US version of the game, and it was ridiculously fast when modified. It was driven by the final boss of the game. Two versions, a normal version and a "Devil Z" version, appeared in TXR Zero (and probably 2, which was similar), with the DZ variant having more horsepower to start with and becoming one of the fastest accelerating (and fastest period) cars in the game when fully modified. The same driver from TXR appeared again, driving the second variant, as the final boss of the game. The car appears again in TXR3, but no DZ this time - just a normal, cheap variant with fairly lackluster performance. I could go on about how that one's a disappointment, even with engine swaps.

My Take

I'm tempted to give the car itself a low cool. But I'm more tempted to give the whole thing bottom of SU because of the Devil Z (especially after some things related to its appearances in the TXR games).
This gets a solid, right in the middle cool. It's a timeless classic, and one of my favorite Japanese cars. The styling is cool, but they're just too tiny. I live right next to one, and every time we go by I think about how the owner stuffs himself in there :lol:.
 
Timeless classic. One of those cars you will see as long we can burn oil.

Solid cool.
 
Solid cool, mostly for the 240Z. They look interesting enough that people will know it's something special, but it isn't loud or shouty about it.

I've never seen one with the JDM yo treatment so I didn't take that into account.
 
Personally i think the time this car can be considered as cool has expired... i dont see this car as cool as i used to... therefore it is with much regret that i will vote Meh...

I used to like this car... it is still a great car nonetheless.. i just dont think it is cool any more to be seen in one...

Come to think about it... my high school english teacher who look like an older Greek version of Jay Leno was driving one of these later versions, and looking back, its pretty cool of him, i have always liked him... God bless his heart...

Meh car. If you had asked me this question 10 years ago, i would have said Cool!
 
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I've always loved the first generation of Z cars (240/260/280)
(The blue Z at the top is my daily driver, in fact)

The way I see it, there are two ways of selling a car: By Name or By Product.
A modern Ferrari, for example, is a perfect example of this. Regardless of the product, people will buy it. This is because it sells via its name. When Nissan decided to sell these cars internationally under the name of Datsun, the option of selling a car using its name became impossible. They HAD to sell the product...and they did. Lots of them.

Driving a first-gen Z, regardless of what model, puts you in a very exclusive position.
During a time where Muscle Cars were boomin' and European cars started to morph into their stylish designs and ambitions, it became really difficult to find a reason to go for an unknown. Hop into an American car from the same day of age as the Nissan, and you'll immediately feel the difference in balance and comfort. It's not so much driving as it is land yachting. The European cars, although they handled much better, weren't very reliable and often very expensive and fragile. You can run a 351 on rat poison and it'll still get you home. If you really wanted an all out performance machine, you could opt for the Germans with their 911's and 2002's...given that you had just as many digits in your wallet as the car did in its description.

That leaves us with the unknown. The underdog, if you will.
So here comes Nis...Datsun, sorry, with their little hatchback. So let's run through the list, shall we?
It has styling inspired by classic Jags and Pininfarina.
It has a factory brake and suspension system at a much higher grade than any American car it would compete against.
You didn't have to spend 911 or 2002 money to own one.
Lastly, and probably the most notable feature of these cars, is their reliability. I'm the second owner of the Z, and I have documentation dating back to when the car was first picked up. Running on a completely stock motor, dyno results from a couple of weeks ago show absolutely no loss in power or performance after almost 40 years of running. This car has never left me stranded on the side of the road, no matter how brutal I am with her.

Personally, I went for a 280Z. I guess I like rooting for the underdog. The 260's and 280's never really got as much fame and spotlight as the original 240, and perhaps rightfully so. Contrary to popular belief, they did make 280's without the EFI or emission systems. The L28 motor I am currently building will be running on overbored SU Carbs and has a bright future in front of it with Triple Webers. If the bumpers are a turn off for most (I agree that they look like braces on a high-schooler) then it is no worry, cause my 280 isn't running on those large bumpers, which at the time, was only applied due to road laws. I'm eventually going with a G-Nose with flares over the wheels, in tribute of the 240ZG's (A production model of the 240z that had more aerodynamic body parts. Nissan had to sell a certain number of these on the road to use those advancements on the track.)

All in all, I think it's an awesome car. Sub Zero? No, not for me. I'll leave that to the originals, the E-Types and the 250GTO's. But for a car that hang loose with the cool kids and still get you home, it is very, very cool.

Perhaps I'm just a bit bias.
 
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The "fatter" design and emission controls making most of the later models slower than the earlier 240Zs [...]

I may be just blind as a bat but having taken a close look at the two cars at the top of the page, presumably a 280Z and a 240Z, I've failed to find actual sheetmetal differences between the two. Yes, the 280Z has different bumpers, a chrome strip running down the side and ride height four inches taller but if it was given the small chrome bumpers, lowered like the 240Z and being equipped with the same larger wheels and low profile tyres, where would this "fatter design" be visible? Because I seriously can't see it.
 
I may be just blind as a bat but having taken a close look at the two cars at the top of the page, presumably a 280Z and a 240Z, I've failed to find actual sheetmetal differences between the two. Yes, the 280Z has different bumpers, a chrome strip running down the side and ride height four inches taller but if it was given the small chrome bumpers, lowered like the 240Z and being equipped with the same larger wheels and low profile tyres, where would this "fatter design" be visible? Because I seriously can't see it.

Externally, the actual size difference is pretty identical throughout the first-gen Z's.

Copied from a post by BRAAP (Someone who really knows his Zeds.) on HybridZ (Z Car Community Forum)

Exterior.As mentioned, body line wise, ’70-’78 were pretty similar. The creases, roof, fender, and hood lines were all the same. Exterior differences were the bumpersof course, taillights changed at the introduction of the 260. The front lower valence on the late 260 and all 280’s is lower, (to accommodate the larger radiator and open up the radiator opening to compensate for the larger bumper), and the late 260 and all 280’s also have the front turn signals in the grill just under the hood instead of the below the bumper in the valence corners as on the 240 and early 260. The very early 240had the interior vent outlets on the bottom of the rear hatch, late 240 and all subsequent 260 and 280 cars that interior outlet vent was on the "C" pillar behind the badge just behind the quarter light.

Interior.
In general terms there were two distinct interior designs. The 240 was one, and then the 260/280 was the other. The 240 didn’t have to many interior changes through its production. The 260 interior was totally revamped. The 280 retained the 260 interior. In ’76, the shoulder belt mount point went from the “C” pillar to the strut tower, (seat belt doesn’t dig into your neck as much on the ‘76+ cars). Also, in ’76, the AMP gaugebecame the Volt gauge with a fiber optic charge light. In ’77 the only significant interior changes were the font style of the gaugesand the doors received a total redesign internally, which relocated the window crankand the door lock switch. The door changes in ’77, (which carried over to the ’78), made for much heavier doors, but the window regulatorswere much smoother and the actual door striker design was totally different than the earlier ’70-’76 doors. Doors for the ’77-’78 will not interchange with the earlier doors due to the different striker design. In ’78, the speedo received KMH in small blue print. Either in ’77 or ’78, under dash foot well lighting was also added. In ’77, the Z received larger capacity fuel tank which encroached on the spare tire well necessitating the space saver spare, (the 240, 260 and ’75-76 280 received a full size spare tire), and also the ’77-78 rear hatch area now has a raised false floor which was to accommodate the larger fuel tank and that little deflated spare. Depending on which manufacturing plant the ‘77/78 was manufactured in dictated how the that false floor in the hatch area finished out to the rear. Some were flat level all the way back, others kicked up at 45 degrees to the hatch.


Structural. There were subtle structural differences as well. The late 260 and 280, the trans tunnel was widened substantially at the bottom. For some guys doing V-8 conversions, that is a big plus for exhaust routing. The T/C rod mounts were beefier as well as portions of the frame rails on the late 260 and 280 vs the 240 shell. As mentioned above, the late 260 and 280 had a larger radiatoropening and as such, the lower core support dropped.

Suspension. Functionally and in basic design, they were all similar. The 280 strut tubes were a little thicker, the 280 had a little more caster, it has been said that the 280 rear control arms are a little heaver gauge material. The front cross memberof the 280 is a little beefier as well. Brakes were the same, though the later 280 had anchored dual piston wheel cylinders in the drums vs the earlier sliding single piston wheel cylinder. The 260 received slowersteering rackand pinion and the pinion housing was cast iron vs the 240’s aluminum. (The rack and pinion may have been and early to late 260 change, someone else here would know for sure).
 
I may be just blind as a bat but having taken a close look at the two cars at the top of the page, presumably a 280Z and a 240Z, I've failed to find actual sheetmetal differences between the two. Yes, the 280Z has different bumpers, a chrome strip running down the side and ride height four inches taller but if it was given the small chrome bumpers, lowered like the 240Z and being equipped with the same larger wheels and low profile tyres, where would this "fatter design" be visible? Because I seriously can't see it.

I meant fatter with the additional weight taken into account as Urie mentioned. Though the 5MPH bumpers do give the illusion of a slightly less lean exterior in my eyes.
 
I meant fatter with the additional weight taken into account as Urie mentioned. Though the 5MPH bumpers do give the illusion of a slightly less lean exterior in my eyes.

Not a fan of the big bumpies, either. I'm not running on those anymore, though.
The 280 is heavier, but it also uses stronger material parts and has a more rigid body.
A 240 with a stiffened chassis weights close to about the same, minus the bigger gas tank and other "improvements"
 
I have a sick suspicion that we ought not to be voting on this car over such a broad model range. Because while the 240Z will always be a subzero (or at least a seriously high cool), the 260Z is less so and the 280Z borders on "Meh". Could be worse. Could be the first 300ZX, with which Nissan completely lost the plot.
I would much rather have a Z31(first 300) than an S130 (78-83)
 
I don't get the hate on the 280Z, it's just as pretty as the others and while strangled by emissions and further handicapped by its extra weight added over the years, it's still a fantastic car in its own right.

Who said it had anything to do with exterior styling?
 
I would much rather have a Z31(first 300) than an S130 (78-83)

To be fair... the 280ZX is worse than all of them.

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Perhaps we're not being fair to the 260 and 280Z... but it's worth noting, when I think 280Z, I don't think of this:

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I think of this:

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So my perception is slightly warped.

But then again, think about it. How many people lust after a 240Z? How many hold the 280Z, arguably the same car, with a slightly bigger engine, in the same regard?

Exactly.
 

But then again, think about it. How many people lust after a 240Z? How many hold the 280Z, arguably the same car, with a slightly bigger engine, in the same regard?

Exactly.

As the owner of the 280 at the top of this page, I don't look upon my 280 any different than a 260 or a 240. Same goes for almost everyone I have spoken to in the Classic Z Community. The different views on the cars seem to be more external than internal. A First-Gen Z is a First-Gen Z, regardless of weight, displacement or bumper size :)
 
I've been on a Z kick for a while, and there are a few really nice ones that show up to meets around here. I think they're cool. I think the common public doesn't think so, but to car people they're usually cool.
 
As the owner of the 280 at the top of this page, I don't look upon my 280 any different than a 260 or a 240. Same goes for almost everyone I have spoken to in the Classic Z Community. The different views on the cars seem to be more external than internal. A First-Gen Z is a First-Gen Z, regardless of weight, displacement or bumper size :)

Of course... you're insiders. You know these things. Just like insiders of the Sentra community understand that, nice as the "Classic" B13 Sentra is, with its independent rear suspension and lightweight body, the B14 is a better car, all around... even on the racetrack, where you'd expect that rear end to be a major handicap.

Still doesn't prevent the B13 Sentra from being ten times cooler than the B14, though.

Of course, both are significantly uncool to anyone but us Sentra lovers... :lol:


...which comes to the point... to non Z-lovers, the 240Z is "it"... unfortunately.

(Don't kill me bro, I don't hate your car! :lol: )
 
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