GTP Cool Wall: 1970-1977 Mitsubishi Galant GTO

[mustafur]

I just posted this - the title saying 'super sports class'.

Some of the categories are 'performance', 'cornering' and 'value'. The GTO was not awarded anything, even being compared to the standard NSX which faltered a bit on their regular Tsukuba testing.

It misses the point completely though, all of that is like using Nurburgring times to suggest X is cool, it doesn't work like that.

Regardless, this is all in Japanese(where is the context here I have no idea what this means) all other cars seem to have all their top models except the GTO with no MR, not to mention the car is clearly not designed for handling like any of the others, its real competition died off early on(SVX and Cosmo).

 

[C-ZETA]

Stop bullying the GTO! What'd it do to y'all to deserve this?!

I'll get back to the actual car in this thread, if I may. The Galant GTO looks damn fine in that orange, especially with that black stripe. And in white too, with that red stripe. Not a lot of its rivals had stripes. That's gotta count for something. And I like the shape of it more than what most of its rivals got. Cool.

 

[TheCracker]

Just because it didn't score anything doesn't mean the 3000GT is some worthless turd.

It was though. In that generation of Japanese sports cars/high performance coupes, the 3000GT was the mudblood turd compared twith the NSX, R32/33 GTR, A80 Supra and FD RX-7.

 

[SVX]

It misses the point completely though, all of that is like using Nurburgring times to suggest X is cool, it doesn't work like that.

Regardless, this is all in Japanese(where is the context here I have no idea what this means) all other cars seem to have all their top models except the GTO with no MR, not to mention the car is clearly not designed for handling like any of the others, its real competition died off early on(SVX and Cosmo).

A few things:

If it's not related to coolness, why are you arguing that it was not behind the curve compared to its competitors? If it was totally redundant you would't need to constantly defend it even though it's pretty well known it wasn't very good.

Regarding the context, and the fact it's in Japanese - I have provided a translation of it, along with each of the areas (mention I've even said value). Here's the video where the screen cap was from. The MR wasn't included because simply it didn't exist. The Twin Turbo MR wasn't introduced until August 1994 - probably after the video was created. The fact is, a standard NSX with traction control on was comfortably able to beat it on Tsukuba, a track which as I said it falters on due to it's wide gearing (compared to the NSX-R which blitzed the competition).

To say it wasn't designed with performance in mind is silly. Active aero is a rather odd feature for a car that is apparently not designed with it in mind, or even a manual transmission in general as its so called competitors never had that either. So would be a performance orientated, weight shaving variant, which none of them had (except a 20B variant in the Eunos' case, but that's more of a novelty thing). Neither would this:

Make any sense.

 

[mustafur]

It was a GT car, and basically any car can be turned into a race car I don't get your point on that.

and Manual especially in the 90s where basically every car you could think of had manual, as it was designed to be sold outside japan.

 

[05XR8]

From the rear, the Galant looks similar to a '67 Cuda and Chrysler Charger. I'd just sit in it, touching everything.

 

[SVX]

It was a GT car, and basically any car can be turned into a race car I don't get your point on that.

The A80 Supra, Z32 Fairlady were all luxurious cars too (more so the Z32), yet were not embarrassingly slow. Anyone can make a race car? Sure. But if it was such an ill-fit car to be fast, then why was the Raillart-backed Super Taikyu car a thing in correlation with the Evolution existing?

and Manual especially in the 90s where basically every car you could think of had manual, as it was designed to be sold outside japan.

Except the competitors you just mentioned. The SVX was offered internationally, too.

 

[mustafur]

The A80 Supra, Z32 Fairlady were all luxurious cars too (more so the Z32), yet were not embarrassingly slow. Anyone can make a race car? Sure. But if it was such an ill-fit car to be fast, then why was the Raillart-backed Super Taikyu car a thing in correlation with the Evolution existing?

Who knows could be engine related?

A Race Car can literally be made from the most unsporty cars imaginable, but if there is a regulation that might favour using a car that is unlikely then it will be picked.

Except the competitors you just mentioned.

The SVX was offered internationally, too.

Literally 1 car. The other(Cosmo) offered Manual still even if it was very low quantity, transmissions are not exactly always hand picked things, the SVX used it's own engine that it shared with no other Subaru so it can hand pick the drive line situation, the GT0 used one of Mitusbishis most used engines so Manual and Automatic were easy add ons, it's much cheaper to make one transmission for costs if you have a bespoke engine and driveline.

I highly doubt if the SVX used a EJ20 it would be automatic only, as it wouldn't cost them more to have both.

 

[SVX]

Literally 1 car.

Which makes up of 50% of it's competitors, mind...

 

[mustafur]

Which makes up of 50% of it's competitors, mind...

so all car companies should copy each other in every way?

Maybe having the Manual is what kept the GTO alive longer?

 

[SVX]

Literally 1 car. The other(Cosmo) offered Manual still even if it was very low quantity, transmissions are not exactly always hand picked things, the SVX used it's own engine that it shared with no other Subaru so it can hand pick the drive line situation, the GT0 used one of Mitusbishis most used engines so Manual and Automatic were easy add ons, it's much cheaper to make one transmission for costs if you have a bespoke engine and driveline.

I highly doubt if the SVX used a EJ20 it would be automatic only, as it wouldn't cost them more to have both.

Except the automatic they used was the one that every single Subaru used for around thirty odd years.

The JC Cosmo was never offered in manual.

so all car companies should copy each other in every way?

Maybe having the Manual is what kept the GTO alive longer?

Or maybe it's because of the market? The GTO was aimed at - while not thorough-bred - performance car, but failed miserably doing so, hence the manual offering. Manual was not offered on the Eunos, nor the SVX, because they were aimed at a market in which it was a very small majority that would actually purchase it - so of course Mitsubishi would not follow suit. I mean, they even marketed it as such.

 

[daan]

Why are we talking about the 3000GT?

 

[SVX]

Why are we talking about the 3000GT?

I agree, but it sort of all started when it was oddly brought up as this being cooler than one.

 

[Wiegert]

Why are we talking about the 3000GT?

It's as if some people forgot that this thread is about a Galant variant.





*waits for '90s Galant thread derail*

 

[All Your Base]

I know I'm a bit late on this but this car is one of my favorite Japanese classics of all time. It's about as cool as the GTOs across the pond (except the 288 GTO, which is even cooler). Sub Zero.

Also, like @daan said, this is not a thread for the GTO/3000GT. This thread is for the Galant GTO.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I think they're beautiful! A muscle car that clearly takes inspiration from another market but does it in a mad, in-your-face Japanese kind of way. In many ways it's far preferable to many American muscle barges. Super-cool. I still want one even today.

Extra points for the mirrors being halfway along the front wing - in the old days that was how you could tell it was a fast car!

 

[05XR8]

Had to dig in my GT6 archive for these. One of my favs.

 

[TexRex]

I love it. It's not cool.