GTP Cool Wall: 1989-1994 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32)

[Dragonistic]

Well said mate! Surely one of the best phrases i ever read in this forum:tup:!

Thanks alot, appreciate the compliment 👍

 

[Jay]

Cool

Frankly I like the R33 quite a bit more in almost every aspect (inside and out, I have driven both R32's and R33's thoroughly among others), The R32 was the end of an era in touring car races for Skylines, R33 onward JGTC cars were too far away from the street versions.

The original "Godzilla" killed the JGTC competition every year; even caused rule changes in the JTCC. It generally destroyed all challengers in its time on the track.

Sub-zero. Easily.

Same reason Australian Touring Car Championship was dropped and replaced with V8 Supercars (aka Holden vs Ford), after the Cosworth Sierras the R32 Skyline GTR hammered the nails in the ATCC coffin.

 

[homeforsummer]

Regardless, I've said it before with these things and I'll say it again, it's not fair to judge a car by it's fans, would you ditch your favourite band if they became popular? Probably not.

I've not ditched bands because they became popular, but I have given up on some because they started pandering to the masses. Muse for example. Last album not a patch on their older stuff. And I'm damned if I'm paying near £50 a ticket to see them.

The only difference with GT-Rs is that generally they get better with every new "album". The cost still goes up and they gain more casual fans...

 

[Dragonistic]

I've not ditched bands because they became popular, but I have given up on some because they started pandering to the masses. Muse for example. Last album not a patch on their older stuff. And I'm damned if I'm paying near £50 a ticket to see them.

The only difference with GT-Rs is that generally they get better with every new "album". The cost still goes up and they gain more casual fans...

So you stopped liking Muse because they changed and didn't appeal to your taste regardless of who they appealed to, and that goes with my look on things. The fact they became popular was a result of that.

'Better' however I believe has little to do with how cool something is again to me maybe not all. For example, the Veyron another mainstream car is ridiculously expensive and has a tonne of fan boys, but I detest it for what it stands for and what it looks like regardless of it's achievements which mean nothing to me. It's the same with the GT-Rs to me, I don't care for the R35 because it's just gone to far for me with all the tech although it may not be any more groundbreaking for it's time arguably. The fact it became more popular, was again a result of the direction they took it which just happened to go against my taste.

To be honest I'm not sure what you're getting at if anything as you seem to agree with me but are presenting it as if you don't, but my point is when I see something or something changes, whatever it may be, I treat it as if only I know it exists and judge by my own criteria as if nobody else in the world exists. I judge not by history, previous models, name, manufacturer, stats, success, price but more what it makes me feel when I see it, hear it, experience it if possible. Granted something like performance factors into that, but I may like or dislike cars which look the same and do the same speeds if they do it in different ways.

Better is something which changes from person to person, in the same way some people who aren't mainstream may prefer Muse now to past Muse, and some people obsess over 0-60 and such. Forgetting the R35 for a moment, before that the R34 was deemed incredibly uncool because of fanboys by many but I carried on liking it because when I passed judgement I ignored anything that anyone said to me. It just strikes me as odd how people insist on bringing up criteria based outside themselves to come up with their own opinion. I'll never quite understand it.

 

[homeforsummer]

It just strikes me as odd how people insist on bringing up criteria based outside themselves to come up with their own opinion. I'll never quite understand it.

Because if you don't consider other people at least slightly then you come across as a bit of a twit.

Some people think adding a fart can to a Citroen Saxo is cool. It really isn't, by any definition except their own. I'm sure you'd also agree it's not cool.

But if we were to truly judge cool based on solely individual standards, a Citroen Saxo with a fart can would be cool.

You have to take into consideration other factors, sometimes.

 

[Joey D]

I judge a car based on it's fans, if it attracts d-bags then it isn't cool. It's why I can never respect, let alone own, a Jeep and why modern supercars struggle to be cool as well. It doesn't matter what generation of Skyline, although the R34 and the new GT-R are the worse, they all carry the same stigma of being some idol to the mad tyte JDM y0! scene and there is nothing cool about that.

Like I said do Skylines offer good performance? Of course, but performance isn't the sole factor in which coolness can be based on.

 

[buickgnx88]

I judge a car based on it's fans, if it attracts d-bags then it isn't cool. It's why I can never respect, let alone own, a Jeep...

Hey now, it's only a small portion of Jeep owners that are the d-bags. Most are like a big family, willing to help another broken down on the side of the road or stuck in the mud. Heck, there is the legendary Jeep Wave! As I said before, every vehicle will attract d-bags!

 

[Joey D]

Hey now, it's only a small portion of Jeep owners that are the d-bags. Most are like a big family, willing to help another broken down on the side of the road or stuck in the mud. Heck, there is the legendary Jeep Wave! As I said before, every vehicle will attract d-bags!

Around here Jeeps attract an unusually high amount of d-bags and I can honestly say I've never met someone with a modified Jeep that was friendly. Typically they are cutting people off, trespassing on private property to off road, or thrown crap all over the road because they have no idea what mudflaps are...my windscreen is typically a causality.

Any any niche vehicle is going to be like a family within itself. MINI owners wave at one another, we park next to each other, we help each other, etc. I'm sure a lot of cars are like that.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

I have learned that this baby drives like a breeze.

But the looks just go too close to Japanese family car for me, interesting, but not convincing.

Misses a bit of brutality too it for me, like this one has:

 

[TheCracker]

Cool, would be sub-zero if any unmolested examples actually existed anymore. Too many have now been 'tuned' by one or more of the 5 previous owners.

 

[Pupik]

Since its easy to get caught up in the hype, I'm going to rate it as if I'd never heard of it before:

Fast, powerful, rare...and stylistically boring as all get-out to boot, yet proportioned in a kind of nerd-chic way. Anything that is also simultaneously a return-of-the-icon and becomes the new icon gets a few bonus points to boot.

Meet Professor Sub-Zero.

 

[CodeRedR51]

they all carry the same stigma of being some idol to the mad tyte JDM y0! scene and there is nothing cool about that.

So basically any performance car that comes out of Japan, right? AE86, MR2, RX7, Skyline, 240SX, Supra, WRX?

You must not like very many cars then.

 

[Azure Flare]

The R32 marked the return of the GT-R badge. Sub-Zero

 

[Joey D]

So basically any performance car that comes out of Japan, right? AE86, MR2, RX7, Skyline, 240SX, Supra, WRX?

You must not like very many cars then.

Like != cool.

We are judging whether or not a car is cool, not whether we like the car or not. I like a lot of uncool cars, I dislike a lot of cool cars.

 

[Jay]

Cool, would be sub-zero if any unmolested example actually exist anymore. Too many have now been 'tuned' by one or more of the 5 previous owners.

Yep, this is spot on for 99% of them, I know of one mint stock car through a friend of mine.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Gets its own freezer pre-dipped in liquid nitrogen.

It's fast, it's good to drive, it looked good (though not compared to the R33 and R34 which kicked up the aggressiveness that I like in car styling), it showed up Ford and Holden and made a bit of a misfit of itself in touring car racing, but more important than all of that to me is the legend that resided under the hood: the RB26DETT.

Long live the Godzilla.

 

[niky]

Still undecided.

It's an awesome bit of kit... the very first Japanese super-sports-car... a tuner-favorite... a legend...

But if you didn't know what it was, it's basically a boxy, late-80's sportscar. Relatively good looking, but not as distinctive as, say, a Porsche 911 or even a BMW M6 (oh... 635CSi or CSL... whatever...)... and definitely not as distinctive as their previous sportscar effort, the uber-rare 240RS:

(which rates a subzero for looking so Banzai...)

Still waffling between cool and sub-zero. Personally, it's sub-zero... but it's not sub-zero enough to keep me from looking at it objectively and wondering if it actually deserves that much.

 

[Lucas]

I never found this car cool. Winning almost every race you enter isn't cool in my book. Being called "Godzilla", neither. I respect the car and its heritage, but I will go with Uncool.

 

[Northstar]

Sub-Zero, one of my all time favorite cars, right by it's brother the 300zx.

 

[Dragonistic]

Because if you don't consider other people at least slightly then you come across as a bit of a twit.

Some people think adding a fart can to a Citroen Saxo is cool. It really isn't, by any definition except their own. I'm sure you'd also agree it's not cool.

I think it's uncool because I don't believe in adding a huge exhaust without optimal performance benefits to go with, I don't care if other people like/dislike it. Similarly, I couldn't give a toss if people think I'm a twit or often a more derogatory term here on the interwebs. I just think take Mr Saxo fart can, if he thinks his car is cool then he thinks it's cool and he should vote cool if someone put a Saxo fart can poll up, but they would likely vote uncool if everyone told him it was uncool. I would stick to my guns and not let that sort of influence effect my standpoint and indeed I haven't as regards the imports and drifting scene which is often looked down upon by those outside of it due to fanboys associated with it in a virtual environment such as games.

It is my opinion after all whether it be shared or not with anyone of any character is simply coincidental, otherwise we should all check the results of the poll before we vote and see what others think first, whereas I will vote and then browse afterwards.

 

[Watchman]

 

 

[ND4SPD]

Gonna have to go with sub zero on this one. Might be buying an R32 GTS-T of sorts sometime this year!

 

[Azuremen]

The only AWD GT-R I like. It has a nice blast of 80's box with solid looks and an aggressive stance, with solid performance before massive reliance on fancy gizmos was typical.

I voted Cool, as it is still not my preferred style or design goal in a car.

 

[eight6er]

I voted sub zero, because it gives two fingers to the snobs that only care about brand names, and you can put a switch on the fuse for the 4wd and make it rwd when you want to.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Actually the ATTESA all-wheel-drive only sends power to all four wheels when it needs it. It's actually primarily rear-wheel-drive.

 

[Adam41]

Although I prefer the R33, I do like the R32. Cool.