GTP Cool Wall: 1996-2001 Nissan Stagea Autech 260RS

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1996-2001 Nissan Stagea Autech 260RS


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The BBS wheels- it's like Nissan got lazy and couldn't design a wheel for their own car. However I could see how using BBS, especially for a Japanese car, might increase sales.

You're pulling my leg, right? Japanese vehicles tend to have either Japanese or indeed European outsourced wheels because they are incredibly light and strong. For an example Mitsubishi for the longest time sourced from Enkei for their wheels, the Subaru Legacy B4 used BBS, the R35 GT-R uses RAYS, etc. It's not being lazy, and in this case it wasn't even Nissan's idea; Autech is a private tuner of Nissan vehicles (think Mugen for Honda) and modified the Stagea itself. Nissan does indeed have its own design of wheel for the Stagea, Autech did not use it.

Although I can't find the new sale price online (which is frustrating), I'm assuming these things cost at least $40,000 new- with that kind of money you can get a minivan for Mom and a used Porsche for dad, or some other used sports car. You could get two cars, one of which is an actual sports car, for the same price as a tuned wagon, gaining the practicality of having two cars over one.

You're aware of how much Porsches cost in Japan, right? No wait probably not.

Anyway the Stagea cost the equivalent of US$37k.
 
You're aware of how much Porsches cost in Japan, right? No wait probably not.
a used Porsche for dad, or some other used sports car.

You're aware that Porsches aren't the only used sports cars in Japan, right? No wait probably not. You're aware even if they were, Japan wasn't the only market for this Nissan, right? I would expect so considering you live in one, which happens to also have cheap Porsches.

Give me a break.
 
You're aware that Porsches aren't the only used sports cars in Japan, right? No wait probably not. You're aware even if they were, Japan wasn't the only market for this Nissan, right? I would expect so considering you live in one, which happens to also have cheap Porsches.

Give me a break.

Wrong actually.

Japan was the only official market for any version of the Stagea or Skyline. Australia, New Zealand, Europe, etc. only got these vehicles as grey market imports, they were never officially sold here. Also a no on the cheap Porsches bit; Australia has a Luxury Car Tax which increases the outlay of vehicles over about AU$65k considerably. A Cayman for example here costs the equivalent of US$102k or £65k, which costs US$50k and £40k in those respective countries.

As for "other sports cars", the practicality of owning two vehicles is countered by the impracticality of owning two vehicles, such as that of space constraints (as I'm sure you've been informed before about that in Japan), and the costs of running two different vehicles, as Japan also has taxes for vehicles based upon engine displacement and that is per vehicle.

As for the reason why we love the Stagea? Because who wouldn't want to own a Skyline wagon?
 
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The BBS wheels- it's like Nissan got lazy and couldn't design a wheel for their own car. However I could see how using BBS, especially for a Japanese car, might increase sales.

Yeah, and Porsche, Dodge and Ford got lazy and couldn't design a wheel for their own car either. Neither could BMW, Audi or Ferrari apparently. Nor could Mercedes-Benz, Maserati, Mitsubishi, Rolls Royce, Jaguar, Infiniti, Renault, Saab, Subaru, Volkswagen, Toyota, Lexus and Volvo either apparently. Man, if only all those car companies would stop being so lazy.

Have you ever thought about that maybe wheels are often designed in-house, then each car company works with and manufactures wheels in conjunction with BBS? Maybe that's what Nissan and Autech did, rather than just "got lazy"?

Although I can't find the new sale price online (which is frustrating), I'm assuming these things cost at least $40,000 new- with that kind of money you can get a minivan for Mom and a used Porsche for dad, or some other used sports car. You could get two cars, one of which is an actual sports car, for the same price as a tuned wagon, gaining the practicality of having two cars over one.

It's never fair to compare a new car to a used car. If that was the case, why buy a new Camry when you can take the same money and buy a 30 year old Ferrari? People buy new cars for the warranty, the lack of wear-and-tear and the peace of mind that somebody else hasn't beat on or thrashed the car.

Then there's additional practically problem of having two cars. Yes, having two cars can potentially give you different vehicles that can better fulfill more specialized needs, a more specific tool for the job if you will, but having two cars means you now double the cost of registration, double taxes, increased maintenance cost (maintaining two instead of one car), and chances are good that two cars will be more expensive to insure than just one car. Then where do I store the cars? If I only have one parking space, where am I putting the second car? How much more will that cost to rent a second parking space, assuming that's even available nearby?

So then that begs another question, in your scenario, what if I want to enjoy the drive to work after dropping my kids off at school? Do I take the minivan, which probably isn't much fun, or do I take the Porsche, and make my kids walk to school? Or maybe I drove my Porsche to meet up somewhere with friends (not all of whom own cars, especially in a city), but we then later decide to go somewhere else. So do I drive myself (and a buddy), and make the rest of the people walk or take the bus, or do I have to drive the minivan every time, even if we go somewhere else only 25% of the time?

It makes perfect sense for the same designers to design the entirety of a car's exterior, rather than multiple brands doing different parts of it.

That's not how cars are designed, manufactured and brought to market. For parts that are contracted out (and that's many if not most of the parts), car companies generally will set the requirements and do most of the design, then work with suppliers to finalize the actual detailed design and the supplier will then manufacture the actual parts. This is true of interior, exterior, engine, drivetrain, suspension, you name it, parts. The manufactured parts are then brought to the car manufacture to be used in assembling the final car.

It makes no sense for a car company to own all the specialized equipment needed to manufacture glass, or headlights, or rubber gaskets, or windshield wipers, from their constituent raw materials. These specialized suppliers have the expertise to design and manufacturing specific parts better than the car company can. And yes, these parts may be branded with car company's name and logo, but these parts are often actually made by a supplier.
 
The BBS wheels- it's like Nissan got lazy and couldn't design a wheel for their own car. However I could see how using BBS, especially for a Japanese car, might increase sales.
A lot of manufacturers outsource their wheels. Is there a problem with that?
 
Cool, but not particularly Sub Zero. I do think performance wagons are cool, though, especially if they have GT-R parts. I wouldn't mind driving one if I had the opportunity.
 
By exterior I mean the body, the lights, and anything else that defines the appearance of the car; it should be done by the brand selling and servicing it. I'm fully aware that a lot components on a car come from other brands, as it's more cost- and time-efficient to do it that way.

Yes, BBS has designed many wheels for many marques, but most of their work has been done for race cars, or race-oriented supercars. When a brand needs a lightweight wheel, getting them from another brand makes sense, as long as the car brand has a say in the design of the wheel. Even if that's the case for this Nissan, those particular wheels look ridiculous on a wagon- any type of wagon.
 
Dat wing + roof rack =

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By exterior I mean the body, the lights, and anything else that defines the appearance of the car; it should be done by the brand selling and servicing it. I'm fully aware that a lot components on a car come from other brands, as it's more cost- and time-efficient to do it that way.

Yes, BBS has designed many wheels for many marques, but most of their work has been done for race cars, or race-oriented supercars. When a brand needs a lightweight wheel, getting them from another brand makes sense, as long as the car brand has a say in the design of the wheel. Even if that's the case for this Nissan, those particular wheels look ridiculous on a wagon- any type of wagon.

Which is why they were on everything in the 80s and 90s?

Doesn't compute. What is the problem with BBS making its iconic wheels for cars that are not touring cars or formula racers?

Strong, lightweight wheels work for everything. Whatever the door count.
 
R33 wheels I believe, but yes. They are from the Skyline parts bin.

I can't find any R33s with those wheels. Or maybe I'm not looking hard enough.


It's weird though, I've always adored the Skyline GT-R's and Stageas but never noticed the wheels.
 
I can't find any R33s with those wheels. Or maybe I'm not looking hard enough.
I don't remember which one exactly, but I'm pretty sure they were used on one model. Maybe I'm wrong and they are from the R32. The 180SX and Silvia also used similar wheels in different sizes.
 
The wheels on the Stagea comes from the R32. (According to GT6's V-spec Nurburgring R32 premium)
 
I don't remember which one exactly, but I'm pretty sure they were used on one model. Maybe I'm wrong and they are from the R32. The 180SX and Silvia also used similar wheels in different sizes.

No, Silvia wheels are entirely different.


Well regardless, just wondering if R32 wheels and Stagea Autech wheels were the exact same thing. I guess they are.
 
Regarding the car what we are voting on, I love these, SZ. I wouldn't vote any Skyline built post-1977 SZ but a Skyline wagon? Hell yeahs. I have this kind of pipe dream that if I win the lotto I will own two dogs, and this would be the perfect super-carriage to hoon them around in :)
 
Meh.

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Are you related to White & Nerdy?

No, but like me he tended to make his opinions heard before he knew everything about them. And like me, he was often treated very rudely when being corrected.
 
Simple solution, don't be ignorant in the first place.

That's not the problem- I do my best not to be ignorant- I just sometimes make statements when I think I know what I'm talking about. I'm sure plenty of users on here didn't know much about BBS either but because I'm arguing against it I'm the one who ends up looking like an ass.

There's definitely no need to be so nasty to me for being incorrect. I'm not like that toward you guys, I usually only want clean debating. I can barely admit I'm wrong when I'm constantly being made fun of.
 
That's not the problem- I do my best not to be ignorant- I just sometimes make statements when I think I know what I'm talking about.

The thing with message boards - and part of their inherent beauty, really - is that you can research before making silly statements. In person, in the middle of a conversation, you don't really have that luxury: you can't ask people to hold on while you catch yourself up on the topic at hand. Meanwhile, here, you have as much time as you need to ensure you're not patently wrong on things.

Oh yeah... Seriously Uncool. You'd look right arse getting out of one of these at anything other than a Stagea owners club meeting, and I just expect them to be driven in roughly the same manner as Evos and STIs are. Perhaps that's what the ridiculous spoiler is for: simulating the backwards cap the owner is likely to have on themselves.
 
Sub-Zero because RB26.

Things like that make it less cool. You only have to go on the Nissan Stagea Wikipedia page to see what sort of people it attracts.

Now, granted no car's Wikipedia page is going to be cool in itself but there are several cars which are all numbers, numbers, numbers, specs and chassis codes. That's never cool.
 
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