GTP Cool Wall: 2003-2005 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VIII MR

[MatskiMonk]

SU.

None of the charm of it predecessors. The kind of Anti-social Behaviour associated with its owners.. I mean, full throttle is optional right... especially in supermarket car parks.

 

[Gotbeefboy564]

Only gen Evo I really like if nicely modified or stock, sub zero.

 

[Adamgp]

You can throw on box fenders, but you'd also still have to change the front end, as well as the rear end. Yes it has the generic 4-door shape, but the design is more apart then just slapping on some fenders.


I would say it looks cheap, but that usually what economical leads to

Still, I was wondering why he was thinking that. I wouldn't doubt if it actually had nothing to do with anything of what you said. This car is not quite economical if you consider the price of it as well as its performance figure. Although now he has something to fall on from what others have posted, as he seemed to ignore the general question.

I dont know, economical to me would usually be something that would be in-expensive, easy on gas, and/or electric/hybrid(although, those aren't usually in-expensive). That's at least what I figured all these years.

I never said it was economical. I called it an econobox, slang for any small boxy generic economy car.

 

[ImaRobot]

I never said it was economical. I called it an econobox, slang for any small boxy generic economy car.

I'm not sure how those two words have any different meaning.

An economical car =/= an econobox/generic economy car?

 

[Adamgp]

I'm not sure how those two words have any different meaning.

An economical car =/= an econobox/generic economy car?

The word economical can have different meanings (cheap to buy, good on gas, etc.). I was referring to more the body style. To me, this is just a beefed up Lancer with a wing.

 

[ImaRobot]

The word economical can have different meanings (cheap to buy, good on gas, etc.). I was referring to more the body style. To me, this is just a beefed up Lancer with a wing.

Then I'm really confused. If that was so, why would you even throw in generic economy car?

So, more or less, its not that it was an economy car or being economical in the first place, but more so that it was just small and boxy?

I'm just sounding like a broken record I guess, so I'll stop questioning you on your altered definition the word Econobox. Although, I feel if it had nothing to do with being economical, you could have just said small and boxy from the get go.

 

[Joey D]

at the people who think this and the Lancer are alike. They share the same platform, but that's about it.

The car is uncool though, probably seriously so. For whatever reason everyone I know with one of these is either from Russia or Poland, and they rock Adidas track suits like they are going out of style. For that reason I will always associate this car with track suits, and track suits are never cool (unless you're in Moscow).

 

[Adamgp]

Then I'm really confused. If that was so, why would you even throw in generic economy car?

So, more or less, its not that it was an economy car or being economical in the first place, but more so that it was just small and boxy?

I'm just sounding like a broken record I guess, so I'll stop questioning you on your altered definition the word Econobox. Although, I feel if it had nothing to do with being economical, you could have just said small and boxy from the get go.

You're doing a good job at confusing me, so I guess we are even.

I threw that in because it is the definition of econobox. Maybe you can explain how I altered the definition when I gave the definition.

Small and boxy most often a couple of the traits that pertain to an econobox.

 

[ImaRobot]

You're doing a good job at confusing me, so I guess we are even.

I threw that in because it is the definition of econobox. Maybe you can explain how I altered the definition when I gave the definition.

Small and boxy most often a couple of the traits that pertain to an econobox.

Well, Ignoring the fact that the car isn't exactly that small of a car(not big by any means, either), the only thing I see it sharing it sharing with that econobox is of you claiming it as boxy(which it is). Still, it would need more then that to call a car an Econobox, or generic economy car.

Still though, we're just going in circles. You can post on my wall if you'd like.

 

[Tornado]

That's an Evo VII.

Yes it is.

 

[Adamgp]

Well, Ignoring the fact that the car isn't exactly small, the only thing I see it sharing it sharing with that econobox is of you claiming it as boxy(which it is). Still, it would need more then that to call a car an Econobox, or generic economy car.

Still though, we're just going in circles. You can post on my wall if you'd like.

It is classified as a compact car. Compact cars are not small?

 

[ImaRobot]

It is classified as a compact car. Compact cars are not small?

I'm not sure where I claimed that, can you help me out? You do know that the cars in that class range from all sorts of size's, not one size for all, right? The CLA is a compact car as well. That's not exactly a small car either.

Did you really just avoid everything I wrote just to put words in my mouth?

This is going no where though, so this is literally the last time I'll reply about the subject in here (yeah I lied before, you keep suckering me in )

 

[Adamgp]

I'm not sure where I claimed that, can you help me out? You do know that the cars in that class range from all sorts of size's, not one size for all, right?

The CLA is a compact car as well. That's not exactly a small car either.

Did you really just avoid everything I wrote just to put words in my mouth?

This is going no where though, so this is literally the last time I'll reply about the subject( yeah I lied before, you keep suckering me in )

You claimed the Evo wasn't exactly small, even though it is a compact.

Well, Ignoring the fact that the car isn't exactly that small of a car(not big by any means, either),

I didn't ignore the rest, you just were making up your own definition of econobox.

But it's just about quitting time here at work and I have to go...so we done here?

 

[Famine]

I don't know how relevant this is to the above kerfuffle, but the Evo 8 is not based on the Lancer - which was itself based on the Mirage (a proper econobox). It's based on the Cedia.

 

[Tornado]

Which was the Japanese market name for that generation of Lancer.

at the people who think this and the Lancer are alike. They share the same platform, but that's about it.

Except for almost all of the interior and quite a few exterior body panels; and nearly everything short of the engine itself will bolt right in even if the parts were different between the two (albeit not necessarily in a way that wouldn't look stupid looking).



I'm actually kind of at a loss for why the very-obviously-built-off-of-the-Lancer Evolution is being treated as if it was a completely different car from the regular, pre-facelift Lancer.

 

[ImaRobot]

I'm actually kind of at a loss for why the very-obviously-built-off-of-the-Lancer Evolution is being treated as if it was a completely different car from the regular, pre-facelift Lancer.

I'm more around the fact that it shares little in common with the Lancer besides the chassis. Also the fact that it was sold and labeled side by side with the Lancer, by Mitsubishi, as a seperate vehicle, not a trim level. In my opinion, at least.

 

[Famine]

Which was the Japanese market name for that generation of Lancer.

No, the Lancer continued to be built on the Mirage platform in other markets for a couple of years until the Lancer was discontinued in favour of the utterly thrilling Mitsubishi Carisma. In Japan the (much larger) Cedia replaced the Lancer in 2000 and that was itself replaced by the Galant Fortis in... uhh... 2007 I guess.

The Lancer Evo 7-10 had no base Lancer model in Japan, only the Cedia (7-9) and Galant Fortis (10) - and the Cedia wasn't sold in Europe at all, though the Galant Fortis was sold as the Lancer.

 

[Tornado]

I'm more around the fact that it shares little in common with the Lancer besides the chassis. Also the fact that it was sold and labeled side by side with the Lancer, by Mitsubishi, as a seperate vehicle, not a trim level. In my opinion, at least.

It's not just a trim level of the Lancer. But it's pretty blatantly closely related to the Lancer and I find it perfectly believable that a layman might look at one and it's huge wing and body kit and think that the owner dumped a bunch of money into his crapbox Lancer ES.

 

[ImaRobot]

It's not just a trim level of the Lancer. But it's pretty blatantly closely related to the Lancer and I find it perfectly believable that a layman might look at one and it's huge wing and body kit and think that the owner dumped a bunch of money into his crapbox Lancer ES.

That's really no excuse to be compared as such though, is it? Their misinformation shouldn't really be part of the equation.

I've seen non car-enthusiast assume the NA hard top was the same car as an FD RX7, and that they were both hairdressers cars, but that brings little to the table really. (I know, two completely different cars, but it's not to far off strictly speaking about not being able to tell a difference.)

 

[Tornado]

No, the Lancer continued to be built on the Mirage platform in other markets for a couple of years until the Lancer was discontinued in favour of the utterly thrilling Mitsubishi Carisma. In Japan the (much larger) Cedia replaced the Lancer in 2000 and that was itself replaced by the Galant Fortis in... uhh... 2007 I guess.

The Lancer Evo 7-10 had no base Lancer model in Japan, only the Cedia (7-9) and Galant Fortis (10) - and the Cedia wasn't sold in Europe at all, though the Galant Fortis was sold as the Lancer.

2002 JDM Mitsubishi Lancer Cedia MX-E

2002 USDM Mitsubishi Lancer OZ-Rally. Incidentally, that's the same trunk spoiler that was equipped with the JDM Lancer Evolution GT-A, among others.







Regardless of whether or not other markets continued to get the rebodied Mirage for a few years following the Cedia's debut, saying that Lancer Cedia wasn't the Japanese name for the seventh generation of Lancer, or the replacement for the Mirage-based Lancer, or whatever you want to call it (and the base for the Lancer Evolution VII-IX), is not true and would be pedantic at best even if it was.

That's really no excuse to be compared as such though, is it? Their misinformation shouldn't really be part of the equation.

It's more accurate than the sentiment thrown around this thread in response that they were two completely separate cars that shared nothing in common but the word "Lancer" on the trunk, so why does that bit of misinformation get a pass but saying "reminds me of the Lancer it was based on" doesn't?

 

[ImaRobot]

It suppose it doesn't, but who said that exactly?

Although you seem more like someone who can answer my original question to @Adamgp; Without altering either car, what do they share?

Just saw your edit. It wasn't really about it looking like a Lancer, more so that he based it as an economical vehicle because of how he viewed the Lancer. Then came about how they share very little with each other, other then slight looks.

Also, sorry for any spelling errors, my cell phone is really acting up right now.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Lancers are boring. Lancer Evolutions are not. Cool

 

[Famine]

saying that Lancer Cedia wasn't the Japanese name for the seventh generation of Lancer (and the base for the Lancer Evolution VII-IX) is not true

Yes, it is.

Look at the back of the two cars you posted... The Japanese car says "Cedia", quite clearly, where the non-Japanese car says "Lancer" (I never knew the Cedia was sold outside Japan as the Lancer though - apparently that's confined to North America). Meanwhile in the rest of the world, the car badged "Lancer" was still the Mirage-based car than the Lancer always was up until 2003ish, while Europe didn't get the Lancer at all any more, as it was replaced with the Carisma which was about the same size as the Cedia. Malaysia, I recall, got their own Lancer, thanks to a weird relationship Mitsubishi had with Proton.

Oddly, for a brief and awful spell, the Evolution model was a Carisma...

and would be pedantic at best even if it was.

Welcome to the Cool Wall. I hope you enjoy your stay.

It's more accurate than the sentiment thrown around this thread in response that they were two completely separate cars that shared nothing in common but the word "Lancer" on the trunk, so why does that bit of misinformation get a pass?

While one was a Mirage-based saloon and the other was a Cedia-based Q-car, it's not particularly far off the truth.

However it looks like North America got the Cedia badged as a Lancer, so the Cedia-based Lancer in North America and the Cedia-based Lancer Evolution are much more closely related than that.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I really don't know why this is being made a big deal (I mean I do now), but prior when it all started. We're arguing over what a user said, in an overtly vague yet vastly based fashion on the criteria of another random cool wall car. The same user that always pulls this kind of thing and rather than analyze what was said by one or several users gets up in arms cause he's too old to learn. Then again as Famine said it is the cool wall so this sort of thing should be expected.

 

[TenEightyOne]

So i decided to ignore all of the above and consider the fact that it is and will be the fastest Evo specwise,

Not the IX FQ-400 or the X FQ-440?

 

[ImaRobot]

I really don't know why this is being made a big deal (I mean I do now), but prior when it all started. We're arguing over what a user said, in an overtly vague yet vastly based fashion on the criteria of another random cool wall car. The same user that always pulls this kind of thing and rather than analyze what was said by one or several users gets up in arms cause he's too old to learn. Then again as Famine said it is the cool wall so this sort of thing should be expected.

That's part of its appeal. Discussing and learning new things is what draws me in, the misinformed opinions are just the icing on the cake. It's also interesting to see how it's viewed in different parts of the world.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

That's part of its appeal. Discussing and learning new things is what draws me in, the misinformed opinions are just the icing on the cake. It's also interesting to see how it's viewed in different parts of the world.

Not when other users are more willing to put you on ignore to just make the fact they're being challenged go away. It's one thing to see intriguing discussion like @Famine and @Tornado are doing, it's a whole other thing when only you're making intriguing discussion and the other user rather bury their head in the proverbial sand and then kick dirt in the form of putting words in other user's (your) mouth.

Just an observation.

 

[ImaRobot]

Not when other users are more willing to put you on ignore to just make the fact they're being challenged go away. It's one thing to see intriguing discussion like @Famine and @Tornado are doing, it's a whole other thing when only you're making intriguing discussion and the other user rather bury their head in the proverbial sand and then kick dirt in the form of putting words in other user's (your) mouth.

Just an observation.

I suppose you're right. Ours just ended up looking like bickering, in comparison.

 

[Tornado]

Look at the back of the two cars you posted... The Japanese car says "Cedia", quite clearly

It suppose it doesn't, but who said that exactly?

when it shares nothing other than a badge with said econobox

It worries me you actually think this car has something to do with an Evo, other than a badge.

Although you seem more like someone who can andwer my original question to @Adamgp; Without altering either car, what do they share?

Almost all of the interior (especially for the US Evo, which didn't have all of the equipment the non-US models did):

Except the seats, the trunk brace and whatever optional equipment you got on your Evo that wasn't available on the equivalent Lancer. Any exterior panel that doesn't line up with the wider fenders is also identical. This includes all of the glass, the trunk lid (spoiler excepting), the front doors and the mirrors. The roof panels are the same, unless you got one of the Evos with the aluminum roofs; but they will still swap directly anyway. And the list of things that will swap with each other basically extends to the entire exterior, a lot of which already has the proper mounts built in for the Evo parts versus the Lancer parts, just unused. The drivetrain, suspension and engine are the main things that you can't easily transfer over, and the engine can be done if you have certain models (like the OZ or the Ralliart).

 

[ImaRobot]

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Almost all of the interior (especially for the US Evo, which didn't have all of the equipment the non-US models did):

Except the seats, the trunk brace and whatever optional equipment you got on your Evo that wasn't available on the equivalent Lancer. Any exterior panel that doesn't line up with the wider fenders is also identical. This includes all of the glass, the trunk lid (spoiler excepting), the front doors and the mirrors. The roof panels are the same, unless you got one of the Evos with the aluminum roofs; but they will still swap directly anyway. And the list of things that will swap with each other basically extends to the entire exterior, a lot of which already has the proper mounts built in for the Evo parts versus the Lancer parts, just unused. The drivetrain, suspension and engine are the main things that you can't easily transfer over, and the engine can be done if you have certain models (like the OZ or the Ralliart).

I'm sure most of the body wouldn't be a direct bolt on though, as both the front and rear lights are different. Wouldnt that require some molding on the whole rear half of the car?

What do you mean about engine being easier to throw in with the higher trim Lancers? I've not heard this.

Still, I've recognized that they share a chassis, and things can be swapped, but I was mainly wondering what's similar before changing anything. Although, you did answer that as well.