GTP Cool Wall: 2011 Dacia Lodgy Glace Trophee Andros

[Bo]

To everyone saying that it's a cheap attempt and a Trophee Andros car, since its debut it has been rather dominant. It looks cool, it's a Dacia, ice racing is cool, so overall cool.

 

[TheCracker]

Seriously Uncool, because race car.

Trophee Andros is also completely dull to watch.

 

[Famine]

I was going by the information provided in the nomination thread, which wasn't much.

And you, as the Cool Wall caretaker, thought it'd be fine to run with almost zero information?

Look it up. Trophee Andros has a website - because it's 2013 and even my cat has a website.

And by "production" I mean when it was built, not how many.

As Alain Prost's 2012 Trophee Andros championship winning "car", I'd suggest it was built sometime around the end of the 2011 season and before the 2012 season.

 

[Cano]

even my cat has a website.

Link?

 

[MatskiMonk]

I quite liked watching the Andros Trophy a few years ago, some of the cars are/were pretty cool in as much as they are fairly unique - IIRC Yvan muller drove a BMW Z3 with mid-mounted M3 engine and 4WD/4WS (just realised this was probably the 24hr of Chamonix car)

Though the Dacia isn't particularly inspiring in any guise, I can't seem to find inspiration for anything other than M'eh...

Also, why are people suggesting it would be cool because its a Dacher?

 

[TheCracker]

Also, why are people suggesting it would be cool because its a Dacher?

Indeed. James May doesn't make anything any cooler.

 

[Tyger]

Not a real Lodgy, just merely the shell/shape of a Lodgy.

Seriously uncool.

Isn't this the case for a huge number of rally/ice race/etc. cars? Also what's in a name? The nomination is for this specific model, saying it bears little relation to the production Lodgy is pointless as the poll isn't for the production Lodgy.

 

[Crash]

And all those race cars would be seriously uncool. It's just as cool as in NASCAR when all the cars have the same tubular frame and skin, but merely various stickers denote that it's a "Ford" or "Chevy" or "Toyota." This car is trying to play on the production Lodgy by using a similar body. It could have been any body, any name. It could have been a Sandero body, but instead, they chose the Lodgy name and body in order to evoke the production car for whatever reason, which this has absolute zero resemblance to in any way. If they manufactured this for production and sold to the public, then fine. If they bodied it any different and called it by anything other than "Lodgy" or something that evokes their production models, fine. But as an one off special that has absolutely nothing to do with the car it is supposedly "related" to, it is seriously uncool.

 

[White & Nerdy]

And you, as the Cool Wall caretaker, thought it'd be fine to run with almost zero information?

Look it up. Trophee Andros has a website - because it's 2013 and even my cat has a website.

I guess I don't really have an excuse there. Ususally I just try to run with the links provided by the person making the nomination, plus Wikipedia, but there I just sort of failed.

As Alain Prost's 2012 Trophee Andros championship winning "car", I'd suggest it was built sometime around the end of the 2011 season and before the 2012 season.

Update coming.

 

[Tyger]

And all those race cars would be seriously uncool. It's just as cool as in NASCAR when all the cars have the same tubular frame and skin, but merely various stickers denote that it's a "Ford" or "Chevy" or "Toyota." This car is trying to play on the production Lodgy by using a similar body. It could have been any body, any name. It could have been a Sandero body, but instead, they chose the Lodgy name and body in order to evoke the production car for whatever reason, which this has absolute zero resemblance to in any way. If they manufactured this for production and sold to the public, then fine. If they bodied it any different and called it by anything other than "Lodgy" or something that evokes their production models, fine. But as an one off special that has absolutely nothing to do with the car it is supposedly "related" to, it is seriously uncool.

So what you are saying is that it is uncool because it's dissimilar to its production namesake. For me that's not the basis of a car, in itself, being crappy, it's an annoying detail but not something the car itself should be judged on. A lot of Group B rally cars bore little relation to their stock namesakes, but they were still awesome.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

So what you are saying is that it is uncool because it's dissimilar to its production namesake.

No, not dissimilar to, it bears no resemblance to a Dacia Lodgy except for the name and, somewhat, the body.

A lot of Group B rally cars bore little relation to their stock namesakes, but they were still awesome.

Yes, but that's because Group B rally cars were just extensively modified from the homologated production models. This isn't modified, it's a completely different chassis, engine layout and build and has absolutely nothing to do with the Dacia Lodgy's design.

 

[Badasp5.0]

I believe the term is silhouette racer.

 

[Crash]

So what you are saying is that it is uncool because it's dissimilar to its production namesake. For me that's not the basis of a car, in itself, being crappy, it's an annoying detail but not something the car itself should be judged on. A lot of Group B rally cars bore little relation to their stock namesakes, but they were still awesome.

And most of the Group B rally cars were actually sold to the public for street use, as impractical as it was. This qualifies the Group B cars to be production cars, in which there was a competition version.

This silhouette racer (thanks Badasp5.0) isn't even close to the production Lodgy in any way, shape, or form, yet uses the Lodgy name in a clear attempt to reference the production car that it has nothing to do with.

If Dacia starts selling this silhouette racer to the public as a production car under the Lodgy name, even if in a detuned state, my criticism would immediately not apply anymore.

Yes, but that's because Group B rally cars were just extensively modified from the homologated production models. This isn't modified, it's a completely different chassis, engine layout and build and has absolutely nothing to do with the Dacia Lodgy's design.

Exactly what I was getting at. Thanks Murcie.

 

[Tyger]

I'm honestly not trolling (you can check any number of my posts, I'm not the sort) but you're still missing my point, that you are voting the car as uncool because it is dissimilar to its production namesake, rather than whether it is a good or cool car in its own right. I just find it surprising that your main basis for disliking it seems to be because it irks you that it shares a name with a production version it bears little relation to.

As for the argument that most (all?) of the group B cars shared their underpinnings with the production version, this is patently false. Pulling a name out of the bag, Metro 6R4? And yes there were detuned homologation production runs but those were simply the rules, they were still invariably VERY different to their mass-produced counterparts.

 

[Tornado]

As for the argument that most (all?) of the group B cars shared their underpinnings with the production version, this is patently false. Pulling a name out of the bag, Metro 6R4? And yes there were detuned homologation production runs but those were simply the rules, they were still invariably VERY different to their mass-produced counterparts.

Yes, but that's because Group B rally cars were just extensively modified from the homologated production models.

And most of the Group B rally cars were actually sold to the public for street use, as impractical as it was. This qualifies the Group B cars to be production cars, in which there was a competition version.

So who said anything to the contrary?

 

[Tyger]

The part where it was argued that Group B cars were extensively modified versions of their street counterparts, and I argued this is false, and if anything, the reverse is true.

Anyway it's cool, I'm swimming against the tide here, I'm kinda meh about the car in honesty but the fact that it shares a (stupid) name with a production model it bears little relation to isn't a consideration to me, and I was just surprised it was apparently such a biggie for others.

 

[MatskiMonk]

but the fact that it shares a (stupid) name with a production model it bears little relation to isn't a consideration to me, and I was just surprised it was apparently such a biggie for others.

Yeah, I don't really get this either, a '66 Mustang is a cool car, and the fact that it doesn't roam freely, eating grass, walking around on its 4 legs, waving its tail around isn't going to change that....

.. so what if a car is named after something it isn't.

 

[MoLiEG]

Funny name, but meh looking car...

 

[Famine]

I'm honestly not trolling (you can check any number of my posts, I'm not the sort) but you're still missing my point, that you are voting the car as uncool because it is dissimilar to its production namesake, rather than whether it is a good or cool car in its own right.

Uhh... the point is that its rating is independent from what the Lodgy would rate, because it isn't a Lodgy. Not that it's rated at "x" because it's not a Lodgy.