GTP Cool Wall: 2013+ Alfa Romeo 4C
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- E0nLeader
It's not what the engine is, it's what you do with it. Which is why there are so many American 6.0+ litre V8s barely cracking 200bhp around obviously.
As for the 4C itself...it's certainly very cool and possibly worth of a sub-zero...but not quite worthy enough. It treads the line, but in this case I'm going to round it down and call it cool.
As for the 4C itself...it's certainly very cool and possibly worth of a sub-zero...but not quite worthy enough. It treads the line, but in this case I'm going to round it down and call it cool.
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Hmmm, not a fan of the front end styling, but, it's an Alfa...
Which means it's a piece of poo and you'll probably have to sue Alfa Romeo to get them to rebuild your engine when the cam belt fails before it's first service interval, whilst putting up with all the other bits breaking off your hand..
Uncool, no matter how misty-eyed "Petrolheads" get over Alfas.
Which means it's a piece of poo and you'll probably have to sue Alfa Romeo to get them to rebuild your engine when the cam belt fails before it's first service interval, whilst putting up with all the other bits breaking off your hand..
Uncool, no matter how misty-eyed "Petrolheads" get over Alfas.
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- NewAesthetic
- SlipZtrEm
From where I'm sitting, it was more self-labeling than anything else, based on this exchange:
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The car gets a solid cool from me. Too new to be sub-zero, and has the dorky headlights when the concept had such nice ones. Otherwise though, it's a mid-engine, carbonfibre sports car with one of the original sports car logos sitting on the nose. It sounds better than any one-and-three-quarter litre engine has any right to, and is more than fast enough to impress folks. Anybody who sneers at the engine size and cylinder count of a sports car they've never even seen, much less driven, should seriously question how they call themselves enthusiasts.
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- mikeybc
Well I'm voting cool on this one, it looks so different from anything else I've seen over here, but in a good way...I even love the headlights and strong hood lines.
Also 240 hp and a even larger torque rating at 260 lbs is very impressive for only 106 cubic inches. Taking hp per cubic inch into account an equivalent 351 would be pushing 795 hp. (Sorry Slash
) As sexy as a V8 sounds a 4 cylinder can sound sexy too, it's just a different flavour of sexy.
I don't care what the cost is, I don't factor cost into whether or not a car is cool.
Also 240 hp and a even larger torque rating at 260 lbs is very impressive for only 106 cubic inches. Taking hp per cubic inch into account an equivalent 351 would be pushing 795 hp. (Sorry Slash
) As sexy as a V8 sounds a 4 cylinder can sound sexy too, it's just a different flavour of sexy. I don't care what the cost is, I don't factor cost into whether or not a car is cool.
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I have to agree with several others in this thread about this cars headlights. These things have just got to go, they are killing this car. Besides that, the general styling cues are working fine. (a-hem - cough - cough) regardless of the cubic inch displacement / litre size/ hp, the performance specs are very admirable as well.
This one is sitting firmly on cool.
This one is sitting firmly on cool.
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The concept was sub-zero but the headlights toned it back to a cool.
However, I want to give it a sub-zero so bad because of the video @Downhill Dino posted, but I just can't.
However, I want to give it a sub-zero so bad because of the video @Downhill Dino posted, but I just can't.
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- race_emhard
And now, to go off topic:
An I4, when tuned properly, can produce a 🤬 load of power.
In fact, the most powerful F1 car ever was the Brabham BT55, it had a special "lay-down" version of the BMW engine they were using to produce 1400HP .
Let me say it again, 1400 HP! Which is more than most people will ever experience in their lives.
Oh, and they also sounded like they wanted to kill you too.
What I'll put here is that they were making that kind of POWAH in qualifying, and the engines (and the entire drivetrain) were replaced after every session. And they were also using a coal-based fuel the Nazis were developing in WWII.
Let me guess, now he will say something about a top-fuel dragster and its 9000 HP right?
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It's a meh for me, the mid to back looks as if inspired by a Lotus Elise, with a generic Alfa front end, I like the engine set up (hence the and not uncool).
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Not that I entirely doubt that, but please go there... 6.0L with less that 200hp in anything other than the citybus style / older than dirt application... Elaborate.
My vote on this car...
Didn't get to check the price (not even sure if it is listed in the thread) but I'd say cool, if not sub zero.
Under 100k it looks and hopefully feels like an uber-elise.
Too many assumptions in that though.
Cool.
If price is too high I'm on the Meh side, if price is way low I'm on the Sub-Zero side.
Btw, owning a honda K20 was the perfect lesson learn that it's about what you do with it.
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- HamiltonMP427
The M12 is rated anywhere from 1250-1400hp no one ever really put those through a dyno since the power was beyond the tools needed to measure. Also the V6t back then where just as powerful, and the V8/V10/V12 N/A also had 1000 hp engines without force induction in quali trim. Though I respect the Brabham cars and engines they did have plenty of issues and didn't run nearly that much power during race trim so...
Either I'm a massive V8 fan but I'm a massive four cylinder fan and even more so a I6-tt or V6-tt or single turbo due to the torque and power created as well as the crazy sound. V10s and V12s I feel are overly flashy though, but I have some that I do accept.
Over all the cool wall is going to have people that are biased against American Cars, or biased against I4 turbos or lean toward V12 and V8 no matter what craptastic body it's been put in. These are factors that are obviously subjective and should be accepted and lived with unless it becomes thrown in our faces.
Also I'd have to say instead of the Elise, the rear is striking me like the Evora which is worse, but understandable when you compare the two.
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That's all fine and dandy but show me an unmodified stock every day street car that makes that much power. Not gonna happen.
My point was that so many 1.6-2.5L I4s that made a whopping 85-120 horsepower were produced that they aren't known for performance and more for fuel economy, though older models were meh. That's where the mindset comes from. The idea around here is I4 for low power but good fuel economy, V6 offers a bit of both with a bit more power but still kind of gutless, V8 offers hair raising, stomach munching, tire shredding power and torque and decent/meh to crappy economy. I know many people that have a combination, one to put money in the other. So when you mention an I4, you automatically get laughed at unless its like a WRX or something where is not quite as bad.
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I think the WRX uses a boxer configuration? Anyway that aside, that's a pretty big brush you are sweeping with, when just off the top of my head the likes of the Lotus Elise/Exige and all Esprits using the Lotus 900-series engine up til the mid 90s were i4. Sub 4 seconds 0-60 and maxing out at 160-170 in the case of the Esprit makes them non-slouches, and anyone laughing at them would in turn be laughed at louder.
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Exactly and even in the 80s states you had all the major American brands making either I4 turbo cars that weren't pretty but were easily able to challenge their counterpart V8s, and then when you look at what GM did during the 80s and just destroyed their V8s with a six cylinder twin turbo.
Now in to today's world, we've got various 4 cylinder configurations that make great power all over the world that shouldn't be laughed at. My issue is I wish a bit more power was made from this car and I know it could. Especially when the ecotec line up makes 280hp so...
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Show me a V8 that can consistently get more than 50 MPG without resorting to hybrid power.
You can't.
V8s are rubbish.
You can't.
V8s are rubbish.
...where "not quite as bad" equals "faster in a straight line" regardless of any other qualities of the car? Ranking 0-60mph and quarter mile times (or even track laptimes) above everything else is a trademark of immaturity, and ignorance of the other qualities that make a car fun to drive or useful to own. The world isn't one big drag strip.
Surely you can understand that, considering the big roaring muddin' trucks you like aren't terribly fast. With some aftermarket mods, a 4-cylinder 122cui Subaru can tackle wooded trails as well as a V8 truck...
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