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GTP Cool Wall - First Generation Mazda Mazda6
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Perfectly fine reason to vote against. I reckon this one will be close.
626 - MX6 - Probe - Protege (which is based on a shortened 626 platform... which is why it was heavier than the previous model... but also why it drove brilliantly) - Tribute / Escape - Mazda6.
It's a go-anywhere do anything kind of chassis, that one...
Yep.
626 again. It's all one big happy, decent-to-drive, affordable FWD family.
626 - MX6 - Probe - Protege (which is based on a shortened 626 platform... which is why it was heavier than the previous model... but also why it drove brilliantly) - Tribute / Escape - Mazda6.
It's a go-anywhere do anything kind of chassis, that one...
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Lower middle class?
Lower middle class is those who drive average, 5-10 year old cars in reasonable shape. Or lower.
The MPS/Mazdaspeed is a lot more "grown up" than the Evo or Wimpreza; not really a patch on either in terms of raw performance but it's still very quick whilst being extremely civilized. And it's not what the poll's about.
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I never liked Mazda even once in my life... Simple, uncool
*No offence to the Mazda 6 owners*
Not even the RX-7, RX-8, 787B, assorted 1980s and 1990s AWD turbo nutjobs (323, Protege), recent FWD/AWD turbocharged crazies, etc?
Also if you have to say "no offense" then you've probably said something offensive
(Which in this case you haven't but the fact you said it makes it offensive by putting us in a group that would actually come kill you for saying something bad)
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Not even the RX-7, RX-8, 787B, assorted 1980s and 1990s AWD turbo nutjobs (323, Protege), recent FWD/AWD turbocharged crazies, etc?
Also if you have to say "no offense" then you've probably said something offensive
Well I'm very sorry. I never liked the Mazda neither the RX-7 nor any Mazdas.
I mean, no offence since I said I never liked Mazda and somewhere in my mind says that this is a good car but just something really made me said that this is an uncool car. Sorry Mazda's owners out there or in GTP. Don't kill me
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Uncool, it's a very average repmobile/family saloon that makes you look invisible.
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I like it. It's a Mazda, it's a good-looking design, they handle well, they're more interesting than most of their competitors...
...but it's uncool, because it's essentially a repmobile.
What you actually mean is that the Mazda doesn't make you look like a complete c......... yeah...
Also, I'm not sure if you quite understand what lower middle-class actually means...
...but it's uncool, because it's essentially a repmobile.
What you actually mean is that the Mazda doesn't make you look like a complete c......... yeah...
Also, I'm not sure if you quite understand what lower middle-class actually means...
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That's completely backwards. Ford rebadges Mazdas for use as Fords.
They only started sharing with the Tribute/Escape twins... which were based on the 626. As was the Mazda6. The Ford Fusion was based on the Mazda6.
It's like saying the Forenza is crap because it's basically a rebadged Chevrolet. It's not. It's crap because it's a rebadged Daewoo.
A Mazda6 is not a rebadged anything. A Mazda6 is a Mazda6.
A Mazda3, on the other hand... is the Focus Mk II's inferior sister.
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WarrantyDirect's studies actually do put Mazda ahead of Honda. And that's not a pansy survey like JDPowers or Consumer Reports... it's a review of actual third-party warranty work done on a whole variety of cars.
Very interesting. I wasn't saying it was a rebadged Ford, I just meant that the two were connected as a family, which makes it the sister of the guy in the neighborhood that I rather dislike.
Didn't the Ranger and B2200 (not sure of the years, roughly late 80's) share the same plateform as well though? I thought that was the first vehicle that came out of the partnership, correct me if i'm wrong. If not, then there should be some sort of copyright lawsuit under way by one of the companies here in Canada.
Is there anyway to get my hands on a copy of the findings by WarrantyDirect? Sounds like an interesting read, although I'm wondering how it all works as some things are covered in the warrenty by some companies and others parts are not. If that is taken into account then I could believe it, but from personal experience Mazda hasn't been the leader in reliability. The RX8 and its emission failing right off the lot is just one thing that comes to mind. A recall that hits the company for billions? Thats a huge sting, even for a major car company.
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I dunno how it is over there, but the Rest Of World version of the Ranger is a rebadged Mazda, not the other way around.
And I have no idea what you mean by the copyright comment, as it's perfectly legal for car companies to produce exactly the same car provided they've agreed to do so
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Very interesting. I wasn't saying it was a rebadged Ford, I just meant that the two were connected as a family, which makes it the sister of the guy in the neighborhood that I rather dislike.
Didn't the Ranger and B2200 (not sure of the years, roughly late 80's) share the same plateform as well though? I thought that was the first vehicle that came out of the partnership, correct me if i'm wrong. If not, then there should be some sort of copyright lawsuit under way by one of the companies here in Canada.
Is there anyway to get my hands on a copy of the findings by WarrantyDirect? Sounds like an interesting read, although I'm wondering how it all works as some things are covered in the warrenty by some companies and others parts are not. If that is taken into account then I could believe it, but from personal experience Mazda hasn't been the leader in reliability. The RX8 and its emission failing right off the lot is just one thing that comes to mind. A recall that hits the company for billions? Thats a huge sting, even for a major car company.
The Warranty Direct studies are cited in many online articles... Mazda and Honda usually top those lists.
Reliability has two main factors: how good the car is and how good the owner is.
I've no illusions about Mazda's reliability... I've had lots of stuff break... but many Mazdas run perfectly fine if you drive them like an old granny for 300,000 miles. Contrawise... even Hondas can break if you don't.
I'm a forum regular for Mazda... and while there are a lot of complaints... many of them are linked to hoonery and hard driving... much like the much-discussed and overblown Nissan GT-R transmission failures. yes, the tranny will fail... but you'll have to be doing a whole lot of stupid to get it there.
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I dunno how it is over there, but the Rest Of World version of the Ranger is a rebadged Mazda, not the other way around.
And I have no idea what you mean by the copyright comment, as it's perfectly legal for car companies to produce exactly the same car provided they've agreed to do so
Didn't say they rebadged either, just wanted conformation that they shared a chassis. The copyright statement was basically saying that if they didn't share a chassis, one of them should sue as its an obvious copy by one of the companies.
niky - I'm gonna try looking some of that up when I have a chance. Thanks for the heads up, I may personally be going back to that dealership and apologizing for laughing in their face.
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Lovely car, quite sporting, very practical, and presumably as reliable as the sun. But, the basic versions of the car look shockingly bland.
Not to mention, of all the people I know, I could only picture my Aunt Chris ever driving one. It's an effeminate, not-shockingly-fast, front-wheel drive sensible saloon car.
Uncool, despite my yearnings.
Not to mention, of all the people I know, I could only picture my Aunt Chris ever driving one. It's an effeminate, not-shockingly-fast, front-wheel drive sensible saloon car.
Uncool, despite my yearnings.
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There was a massive "discussion" on this when the first reports came out so I'd search for it rather than bringing this up again. Essentially, there aren't many cars that wouldn't break if you used it's maximum available performance repeatedly - the same sort of "repeatedly" you'd get from showing off your GT-R's launch control over and over again.
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@TheCracker: Mazdas in the US and elsewhere are driven by twenty-something to thirty-something guys who have nothing better to do with their time than to hoon them till the engine mounts fall out. 
If by "One too many times" you mean twenty (or more) full-bore LC launches in just four to six weeks right after buying the car? Yup.
Remember, a half-dozen times will destroy an F430 with Launch Control (that's why it's not on US cars), 15 times will void your BMW M3 warranty... many cars as quick as the GT-R (sub-12 second 1/4 miles) exit magazine-sponsored track-performance competitions with blown transmissions and differentials in just one day if that day includes drag-racing.
You may want to look up the NAGTROC thread. Drag racer with a non-stock car doing 100 mid-11 second passes (and a few sub-11) on the dragstrip before the transmission finally blows. And that's not street passes... that's on sticky, sticky, dragstrip. The kind that can rip driveaxles out of Evos and Scoobies. That's impressive. The other high-profile GT-R failure was after 70 passes (mid-11s, again) on the dragstrip... with VDC off the whole time.
It might not be the strongest tranny in the world, but considering it's an automatic AWD car (AWD puts a lot of extra stress on the drivetrain), that's pretty good.
There's a very good reason many manufacturers limit torque on turbocharged cars in first and second gear. To preserve drivetrains. And that's the same good reason Nissan has for voiding your warranty if you use the "Launch Control" method that the threadstarter in NAGTROC used. Turning off the VDC (Void De Carwarrantie) and launching the car subjects the gearbox to too much torque. Note: to achieve the GT-R's official 0-60 times, you don't even need to turn VDC off.
That's the Cliff's notes version of my side of the GT-R thread. The full one is more colorful.
If by "One too many times" you mean twenty (or more) full-bore LC launches in just four to six weeks right after buying the car? Yup.
Remember, a half-dozen times will destroy an F430 with Launch Control (that's why it's not on US cars), 15 times will void your BMW M3 warranty... many cars as quick as the GT-R (sub-12 second 1/4 miles) exit magazine-sponsored track-performance competitions with blown transmissions and differentials in just one day if that day includes drag-racing.
You may want to look up the NAGTROC thread. Drag racer with a non-stock car doing 100 mid-11 second passes (and a few sub-11) on the dragstrip before the transmission finally blows. And that's not street passes... that's on sticky, sticky, dragstrip. The kind that can rip driveaxles out of Evos and Scoobies. That's impressive. The other high-profile GT-R failure was after 70 passes (mid-11s, again) on the dragstrip... with VDC off the whole time.
It might not be the strongest tranny in the world, but considering it's an automatic AWD car (AWD puts a lot of extra stress on the drivetrain), that's pretty good.
There's a very good reason many manufacturers limit torque on turbocharged cars in first and second gear. To preserve drivetrains. And that's the same good reason Nissan has for voiding your warranty if you use the "Launch Control" method that the threadstarter in NAGTROC used. Turning off the VDC (Void De Carwarrantie) and launching the car subjects the gearbox to too much torque. Note: to achieve the GT-R's official 0-60 times, you don't even need to turn VDC off.
That's the Cliff's notes version of my side of the GT-R thread. The full one is more colorful.
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It's a bland, uninspiring, Mazda commuter car - Uncool.
Now if this was the Mazdaspeed version, that would be cool.
Now if this was the Mazdaspeed version, that would be cool.
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Only because you have a razor fetish and dislike manual transmissions despite what you say.
I love Ford Fusions, there is no razor fetish, if I get one (and I am seriously looking at a black on black V6 SEL) I will paint that grille, foglight and rear tail light chrome black the first chance I get.
And I love manuals, infact the Mustang I want to buy will have a manual.
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I'd have thought you'd know by now that I was being sarcastic, especially with the bit about manuals
But the fact you're looking at a Fusion over a 6 says all of the above if you're after a V6 model. As you know the Fusion is only available with the slushbox and to make matters worse it's not manually shiftable (you have drive and low on a 6 speed gearbox... Gee, thanks Ford).
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My aunt drove the wagon version of this. She said the engine was such a heap of misery that she moved on to the Corolla Verso. If you've come so far that you replace a Mazda6 with any Verso version in the Toyota line-up, then that car is seriously uncool.
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I'd have thought you'd know by now that I was being sarcastic, especially with the bit about manuals
But the fact you're looking at a Fusion over a 6 says all of the above if you're after a V6 model. As you know the Fusion is only available with the slushbox and to make matters worse it's not manually shiftable (you have drive and low on a 6 speed gearbox... Gee, thanks Ford).
I was hoping so. But still, I don't care if it is an autobox. I can have lots of fun with either transmission.
Never seen that option in the ordering codes when I worked at Ford.
Psst, April Fool's is over 4 months away.
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