GTP Cool Wall: SRT Viper

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

We can only agree to disagree at this point. I've put in my vote, you have put in yours and that's it, no need to get all upset about it.

We couldn't care less what you voted, that was already expressed, but when you tout bs that isn't true then try to save face with this "agree to disagree", it is obvious people are going to correct you.

Not sure who is upset though.

 

[Downhill Dino]

Top Gear's definition belongs in the trash. If the only thing a car has is the people that drive/own it, that's utterly pathetic. That would be the definition of uncool. All you need to look at is the item itself.

Cars on the GTP Cool Wall have been judged like that, so....

 

[White & Nerdy]

I know a guy who has as Viper, and I know a few girls that have Vipers and aren't what you would call rich in any sense of the word. As long as you can afford the monthly payment it doesn't matter how long it takes to pay it off. You don't need to be rich to own a supercar despite what you might think. Payments might be a bit high, but you can negotiate that when buying. Basically tell them this is what I can pay per month regularly, if you don't like that, then do you really wan the sale that bad?

That usually works.

True, but it's a major risk, and one I wouldn't take in the current economic climate. Maybe if I thought I could get in right on the ground floor of an economic boom, so I'd have the car mostly or completely paid off by the time the economy crashed again.

 

[Slash]

True, but it's a major risk, and one I wouldn't take in the current economic climate. Maybe if I thought I could get in right on the ground floor of an economic boom, so I'd have the car mostly or completely paid off by the time the economy crashed again.

I agree, I wouldn't risk it in today's economy but that's besides the point. It would be a dumb move to try.

 

[RDF97]

Top Gear's definition belongs in the trash. If the only thing a car has is the people that drive/own it, that's utterly pathetic. That would be the definition of uncool. All you need to look at is the item itself.

Top Gear's theory on coolness is perfectly valid. Coolness has got nothing to do with practical stuff. For example:

'05 Mustang - Not a very good car if you were to compare it with something from Europe from that time. 300bhp from 4.6L and a live rear axle. Not the best machine but cool.

Brilliance doesn't define coolness. Slightly off topic, iPhone's brilliant piece of technology. If you were sat down by someone because they wanted to explain the brilliance of it, would you feel bored out of you're mind or breathtaken?

Brilliance doesn't define cool!!

 

[niky]

Basically, coolness has nothing to do with Nurburgring times or build quality. A car is cool because it is cool.

And that's my beef with the "SRT" Viper. It's undoubtedly much better than the old car. But cooler? Be hard pressed to argue so.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Basically, coolness has nothing to do with Nurburgring times or build quality. A car is cool because it is cool.

And that's my beef with the "SRT" Viper. It's undoubtedly much better than the old car. But cooler? Be hard pressed to argue so.

Though considering that the old car was already very cool, I'm not sure it has to be.

Also, I think it looks better than the old car.

Though I do agree it should have stayed a Dodge.

 

[Murcie_LP640]

Brilliance doesn't define cool!!

Nor, arguably, do the people who drive them.

 

[zedextreme8177]

A solid cool for this one. It's probably the most refined version of the Viper yet, and it looks great too, everything flows well and isn't overstyled. The massive engine is a plus too

Still not enough to reach sub-zero though.

 

[RDF97]

Nor, arguably, do the people who drive them.

Not so. 6 words: Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond, James May. They are all practically a disgrace when it comes to coolness. You see them drive a car on Top Gear, doesn't count. If they actually own it, then yes that car becomes uncool.

But personally thank you for understanding the defintion of 'coolness'.

 

[Exorcet]

Cars on the GTP Cool Wall have been judged like that, so....

Top Gear's theory on coolness is perfectly valid. Coolness has got nothing to do with practical stuff. For example:

Indeed. You can define something to mean anything you want, and it's perfectly valid to use the Top Gear definition. I still think it's a terrible definition.

'05 Mustang - Not a very good car if you were to compare it with something from Europe from that time. 300bhp from 4.6L and a live rear axle. Not the best machine but cool.

To be honest, nothing in that paragraph makes the car sound bad.

Brilliance doesn't define coolness. Slightly off topic, iPhone's brilliant piece of technology. If you were sat down by someone because they wanted to explain the brilliance of it, would you feel bored out of you're mind or breathtaken?

Brilliance doesn't define cool!!

I agree, cool is subjective and I expect what is cool to vary greatly from person to person. Brilliance will define coolness for some, and not for others. As long as you don't try to form an opinion from baseless claims, no one can argue with your rating.

It's probably the most refined version of the Viper yet, and it looks great too, everything flows well and isn't overstyled.

If anything for me, those are the problems I have with it. Wasted time and money on the interior and streetability, and they went too far with the whole look like a snake thing and messed up the front (the rest is incredible). Maybe one day we'll get a Viper with a proper cardboard dash.

 

[Goshin2568]

Why does everything have to be based off of Top Gear?

Because thats where the Cool Wall came from! If you wanted it to be different than top gear than don't blatently copy the name. It could have been called anything, but it wasn't.

That is why it's cool, who cares what the majority of owners are like?

Most C5 Corvettes are probably owned by retirees, doesn't mean it's uncool.

Cool and good are not synonymous. There is a reason for that. Things that are cool are not necessarily good, and vice versa. That seems like a really easy concept to grasp.

 

[Joey D]

Because thats where the Cool Wall came from! If you wanted it to be different than top gear than don't blatently copy the name. It could have been called anything, but it wasn't.

What else would you call it? It's a wall of vehicles varying in degrees of coolness.

But it's been pointed out numerous times that this is different than Top Gear's Cool Wall concept.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

What else would you call it? It's a wall of vehicles varying in degrees of coolness.

But it's been pointed out numerous times that this is different than Top Gear's Cool Wall concept.

Oh, I got a few ideas:

- The board of coolness
- The Cool Thread
- The icy forum
- The fridgerator of cars

 

[Jahgee]

Oh, I got a few ideas:

- The board of coolness
- The Cool Thread
- The icy forum
- The fridgerator of cars

Doesn't make them good ideas

 

[Beeblebrox237]

How about the Coolness Referendum? It is, after all, a referendum on coolness.

 

[RandomCarGuy17]

Doesn't make them good ideas

 

[Zenith]

They said that it was their "Improper launch technique." iirc.

Still, a supercar clutch should be able to take some abuse and not go up in expensive smoke.

Improper hard launches are one of the best ways to break any car's components. If manufacturers designed their drivetrains to be able to handle improper hard launches then we'd be seeing a lot of sluggish supercars due to the insane amount of rotating mass that would be added to strengthen the drivetrain.

 

[Yauma9]

This is one of those cars that are sub-zero for no apparent reason for me.

 

[ND4SPD]

Subzero for me because as I child the viper was the car I dreamed of.

 

[Crash]

Original and second gen Viper were subzero. This one is cool; but it just doesn't have the swagger of the original.

 

[McLaren]

They said that it was their "Improper launch technique." iirc.

Still, a supercar clutch should be able to take some abuse and not go up in expensive smoke.

Depends on what you call abuse. Some of these magazines have different techniques to getting their 0-60s, techniques that put way more wear on the clutch than they should because they're trying to get faster times.

Who is upset? You made a statement and apparently it wasn't a watertight one.

That's his way of getting out of actually arguing his point.

If anything for me, those are the problems I have with it. Wasted time and money on the interior and streetability, and they went too far with the whole look like a snake thing and messed up the front (the rest is incredible). Maybe one day we'll get a Viper with a proper cardboard dash.

And on that day, it will go right back into extinction from the automotive world.

The new interior & ride is exactly what the Viper needs to make it in the market. The amount of consumers who want that raw driving feel are low compared to those who will actually buy the car now.

 

[Exorcet]

The new interior & ride is exactly what the Viper needs to make it in the market. The amount of consumers who want that raw driving feel are low compared to those who will actually buy the car now.

True, however the minority can still be catered to through options or special models. The TA was small example of that. The civilized Viper is here, and it's not going away, but at the moment Dodge (yes) isn't abandoning the original car.

 

[Nicksfix]

It's a Viper ....

Automatic sub-zero.

 

[niky]

Depends on what you call abuse. Some of these magazines have different techniques to getting their 0-60s, techniques that put way more wear on the clutch than they should because they're trying to get faster times.

Beyond that, there's the fact that some journos are simply ham-fisted/footed/brained drivers. I recall one episode of Top Gear where Clarkson stripped the synchros on a ZR1 when they took it to salt flats.

Others complain of wonky synchros, worn clutches and clunky drivetrains on media test units. I've actually had one test drive postponed twice because people kept breaking the car.

People who drag-race their personal cars regularly warm up cars properly, watch the wheel-hop, and don't powershift with their feet to the floor.

If it's not your car... there's no compunction to be so careful... most of the damage won't be obvious until long after you've returned the car.

 

[Tornado]

Plus, doing one of those things might make the car accelerate just a little bit faster; and everyone loves numbers.

 

[SVT Cobra GT]

Always loved this since it came out and the older generations too. Sub-Zero.

 

[Cano]

Plus, doing one of those things might make the car accelerate just a little bit faster; and everyone loves numbers.

And burnouts, remember, magazines and the internet love burnouts everywhere.

 

[White & Nerdy]

Poll's closed, and the results are in.

...0.868.

GTP, I am dissapoint.

 

[RDF97]

To be honest, nothing in that paragraph makes the car sound bad.

It does. Cause the new eco-boost Mustang has a 2.3 turbo 4 cylinder that develops 300bhp. Same power but half the engine capacity and cylinder count but power is the same. And the '05 Mustang had a live rear axle. The one before had independent rear suspension.