GTP_WRS Pit Box : Want to chat? - Need help? Post here.

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I don't know where else to go, but I have to talk about this. I'm having a crisis of confidence about my simulated driving skills. It's happening not-so-much in GT6, but in Assetto Corsa and Project CARS.

I'm coming to the realization that I NEED to tune to win offline and online races which many of you know I can't tune at all. I can't bring myself to ask anyone in the WRS to help out and I don't think I want the help anyway (not yet). I think I wasted my money on those games.

Also being a pad user, it also does not help with my confidence. I won't get into the pad vs wheel debate again, but it is not helping me out at all.

Lastly, in GT6, I'm just not having fun in the WRS anymore. When I joined, I wanted to improve my skills and I enjoyed being part of it. Now, after all the crap I did and put the stewards through (you know who and what I mean), it's not as fun as it was. I lost something between then and now and I don't know what to do. I'm close to my breaking point and when that happens, I think I'm going to quit sim racing.
 
RacingOtaku86
I don't know where else to go, but I have to talk about this. I'm having a crisis of confidence about my simulated driving skills. It's happening not-so-much in GT6, but in Assetto Corsa and Project CARS.

I'm coming to the realization that I NEED to tune to win offline and online races which many of you know I can't tune at all. I can't bring myself to ask anyone in the WRS to help out and I don't think I want the help anyway (not yet). I think I wasted my money on those games.

Also being a pad user, it also does not help with my confidence. I won't get into the pad vs wheel debate again, but it is not helping me out at all.

Lastly, in GT6, I'm just not having fun in the WRS anymore. When I joined, I wanted to improve my skills and I enjoyed being part of it. Now, after all the crap I did and put the stewards through (you know who and what I mean), it's not as fun as it was. I lost something between then and now and I don't know what to do. I'm close to my breaking point and when that happens, I think I'm going to quit sim racing.
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I've known you for a long time Eric,and I'll give you the same advice I give my kids when their feeling sorry for theirself..

Suck it up buttercup..

Do you really expect to be good at 3 racing games,all with different physics???.

Just pick 1... and don't play anything else. Get good at that 1and be happy and forget the other 2..

Or just be mediocre in all 3.. and feel sorry for yourself.
 
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Hey you football guys who toss a coin....we in the racing community have a better idea!!!!
 
As a Steelers fan who has seen the Pats trip up my team too many times I have to say Brady best player ever and Belichick best coach ever. All Atl had to do was run the ball and kick a FG and game over. The coach lost that game.
 
This whole discussion that's peppered the boards recently about the ninja submittals has me a bit befuddled.

What does it matter whether or not some post splits pre-deadline? Are there some of you that have sponsors that pay you if you podium a TT? Are some of you experiencing life threatening events when someone snatches a better time than your posted splits? What is there to gain from "winning" a WRS weekly time trial?

I'm pretty sure there are some that don't lay down laps until late and probably barely have time to submit their replay, let alone take the time to post splits, clouded or not. Even if someone posts splits that aren't their bests, what difference does that make? We are only running against our own ghosts in real time and, unless shared privately, don't get to leech lines and stuff from others who are faster.

I don't care how old a body is, what, ffs, does it matter, where you end up on the leaderboard?

How 'bout we do an experiment? No one posts their splits for an entire TT, submit your best to the bot and see where all end up. Can you truly lay down your best without having an external target to shoot for? Oh, wait, now we have a more specific rule that prohibits that but, is fairly easy to exploit, and, makes more hassle for the WRS stewards/mods to police it. Not to mention, even if everyone agreed to not post splits, that there wouldn't be sharing of splits privately.

One final note and I'll shut up about this. The folks that may obscure their final pace are not doing anything that isn't practiced in more professional arenas. Without naming any names, some organizations <cough><cough>Mercedes AMG<cough><cough> are notorious for sand bagging early and then turning up the wick, when it matters, to confuse their opponents, so, some folks may just be following examples of "higher authority". Again though, in this arena, what does it matter? As far as I can tell, we're all here to have a bit of fun and compare our skills to others. I reckon it's possible I'm wrong about all this however.
 
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I'm pretty sure there are some that don't lay down laps until late and probably barely have time to submit their replay, let alone take the time to post splits, clouded or not.
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Normally this is how I would have to operate with the schedule I have. I don't really have time to sit down and properly play the game for a few hours until the weekend or even as far as Sunday night. However, whenever I do put a run in I try to get my splits up on the board as soon as I can, even if that is not until the next day if it's a late-night session, per the WRS clause regarding splits and behaving in a sportsmanlike manner.

While not posting splits at all may be unsportsmanlike per the WRS rules, it needs to be laxed to account for people who cannot manage to run sessions early in the week as there is no way for them to contribute to the benchmarking some people appear to rely on. Myself I appreciate having a benchmark so I know if the combo is worth my time on a controller or not but after that observation is made the objective should be to run as fast of a lap as possible regardless of where you end up landing.

Think of it this way, even in the real world, some drivers are just going to be better than others at different car and track combinations, or vice versa. Every dog will have it's day and every driver will have a bad showing here and there. The one thing that doesn't (or shouldn't) change is the objective to go fast. There should never be an "I'm done" moment in the racing world, because you don't always know where your rivals are anyway as @Dragonwhisky pointed out. The splits on the board shouldn't be as big of a deal as it is to some, put your head down and focus on beating yourself. The moment you hit the top of the time charts and call it quits is the moment you limit yourself and your own abilities, not to mention slightly skewing the handicap calculations.

I don't want to be involved in this too much just my two cents.
 
When it comes to not being able to run until late, it's just something that happens, so I agree that it can't be helped. When it comes to people running all week and not posting, that's when I see a problem, as we aren't professionals, meaning that sometimes we'll see splits posted, realise that we must be doing something wrong, and try to work out what it is. When we don't even know there's something we're doing wrong then we may never learn from it, as it's easy to dismiss a post event gain as being from knowing exactly what the competition has achieved and having the pressure of getting a decent performance removed.

Yes, one of the most important aspects of the WRS is the fun of it, so maybe we shouldn't take it seriously at all, but that can also be reflected onto those who actively choose not to post splits (if there are any); are they not doing it to gain an edge on the competition? Aside from that, I've always felt that an important part of the WRS is trying to improve, hence why I always try to share my settings and offer advice to those misguided people who think my advice will be helpful rather than (unintentionally) poorly worded and confusing. :lol:

In professional motorsport it's different because they're rarely in identical machines, so what they're hiding is usually something that the other teams simply cannot obtain. And, obviously, that they get paid shed loads of money to perform well. :drool:
 
Good points guys 👍 As I see it though... in RL racing like F1 you at least have the knowledge of who your competition is from the start of qualifying, Some guy you never even knew was there doesn't just turn up for the last 2 minutes before the end and jump right into 1st place at the end of the qualifying sessions and you end up with the who the **** and where the **** did he come from reaction :lol: Sportsmanship at least allows us the knowledge of who all the entrants are before the final result is revealed ;) just my 2p :P

I know it's a dragged out conversation now and hopefully next week will be all smiles and pleasantries again :D

But good points anyway and thanks for your views, Thankfully we are all entitled to our own opinion 👍
 
  • WRS Participants have traditionally shared splits as a way to reveal their pace without providing the full lap time until the event deadline. Posting of splits is not mandatory, but is considered fair sportsmanship.
  • WRS Admins reserve the right to request posting of splits from members who show a pattern of avoidance or deception in this area.
  • If you fail to comply with a direct request from an admin to post splits for a current or future event, we reserve the right to disqualify your lap from the results.

So for those who don't post splits because they don't want to know how they stack up against others (me, personally), isn't that unsportsmanlike?
 
RacingOtaku86
  • WRS Participants have traditionally shared splits as a way to reveal their pace without providing the full lap time until the event deadline. Posting of splits is not mandatory, but is considered fair sportsmanship.
  • WRS Admins reserve the right to request posting of splits from members who show a pattern of avoidance or deception in this area.
  • If you fail to comply with a direct request from an admin to post splits for a current or future event, we reserve the right to disqualify your lap from the results.
So for those who don't post splits because they don't want to know how they stack up against others (me, personally), isn't that unsportsmanlike?
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There's not a lot we can do to keep people from running a last minute session and submitting a time. There are at least 7 days to run the combo, and some folks are going to push it to the last minute. :lol:

What we are trying to keep from having happen is for there to be stealth time submissions, no splits posted, and suddenly a surprise division winner or overall winner shows up on the board.

How would you feel if you were participating and posting splits all week, just to find out that you lost your division to someone who couldn't be bothered to post splits?

And all we've said is "we reserve the right" to request them. If someone is off pace and not wanting to share how slow they are before the results are posted, we can live with that.

We don't want to go to the length of requiring splits from your submitted run to be posted, or your lap disqualified. That would be the extreme, and we don't really intend to go there.

Just trying to keep things on the fair and level.
 
Suddenly saw 0 photos and replays in-game. Salvage got them back, although I thought I had more pics, especially considering stats. This was quite annoying for a moment during which I didn't remember the capability. Sort of ironic because I hadn't yet made a backup of my current attempt of a lap. Whew.

edit: probably the arcade boards were wiped then (don't know exactly when) if not separately
 
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