GTP_WRS : Suggestions Box
- Thread starter Sjaak
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- Teesdale
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- England
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- InsatiableFiend
I can almost promise you that we'll be doing one of these.
I've had it planned all along, but I'm not going to say which one.
Only one? Aww, Oh well - hopefully I provided some ideas that might lodge in your heads, subconsciously
I recommend anyone who hasn't tried out the 380RS SuperLeggera to try it (Stock) on Sports Softs - it's an absolutely incredible drive with no assists.
- 2,376
- Stockholm, Swe
- GTP_Anghammarad
I would say Laguna Seca is a relatively safe bet. Interesting to se exactly how much time it's possible to lose in the corkscrew.
- 16,271
- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
Laguna is going to happen, but not this week.
That AWD comment might have some merit.
Almost done over here...........
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- GTP_Sidplayos2
Track and Car doesn't really bother me, but something different like:
F1 Event
Karting Event
Some kind of event in the rain. Has WRS ever had a event in different conditions yet?
Not sure if the F1 event is even possible except for online racing. But the rain event would be nice to mix things up a bit. As they say, the rain is the leveler so might see some interesting results there.
F1 Event
Karting Event
Some kind of event in the rain. Has WRS ever had a event in different conditions yet?
Not sure if the F1 event is even possible except for online racing. But the rain event would be nice to mix things up a bit. As they say, the rain is the leveler so might see some interesting results there.
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- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
Yes, dirt.
In all seriousness, I've thought about this possibility. Please point me in the right direction if I'm thinking of this the wrong way.
But since the weather tracks feature "dynamic" weather change, wouldn't a weather event be pointless?
All you would have to do is wait for it to NOT be raining, and you would automatically be the fastest.
Is there a way to ensure a level playing field in a Time Trial rain event?
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- GTP_Sidplayos2
Yes, dirt.
In all seriousness, I've thought about this possibility. Please point me in the right direction if I'm thinking of this the wrong way.
But since the weather tracks feature "dynamic" weather change, wouldn't a weather event be pointless?
All you would have to do is wait for it to NOT be raining, and you would automatically be the fastest.
Is there a way to ensure a level playing field in a Time Trial rain event?
Yeah that was what i'm not sure, if you can always have it raining the same. (Haven't actually done any of the wet events yet). What about the wet events in the amg academy, is that always raining? Let me do some research and get back to you.
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- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
Yes, those are definitely an idea. Had forgotten about those. 👍
Let me know what else you find.
- 379
- GTP_Sidplayos2
Yes, those are definitely an idea. Had forgotten about those. 👍
Let me know what else you find.
Hi Kev,
Just wondering if you got my PM? Would be interested in your thoughts either way, whether feasible or not 👍
I'll keep trying to look for some more ideas
Another Idea I had though, not sure if anyone is interested, is to register some PSN GTP/WRS logins for each division. I'm going to register for GTP_D2Silver for example, and share out the details with my fellow D2S'ers. Then we can all try to get the best time on PSN online events as a 'group', to represent GT Planet on the TT's. I need to see how it would go when someone tries to logon when another is already logged in. So you D2S'ers, anyone interested to help me test it out?
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- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
Yep, I got it. Sorry that I didn't reply, things have been a bit busy of late.
I'll definitely look into your suggestions for future events. 👍
- 3,261
- Limburg
- poolhaas / GTP_poolhaas
Just wondering if some help is needed with creating the car and track for the leaderboard.
I'm not sure how it's done but I have photoshop and although being a noob with it, maybe I can help.
I saw a thread about this a while ago but can't find it
I'm not sure how it's done but I have photoshop and although being a noob with it, maybe I can help.
I saw a thread about this a while ago but can't find it
- 16,271
- Boise, ID
- GTP_EDK
Just wondering if some help is needed with creating the car and track for the leaderboard.
I'm not sure how it's done but I have photoshop and although being a noob with it, maybe I can help.
I saw a thread about this a while ago but can't find it
I think I moved it to the archive.
If you would, just send a PM to JoostBaksteen. He can get you all hooked up on that. 👍
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- USA
- GTP_CarlosF
Hey Kev, how about an event in the Lexus LFA - you could call it the Kyle Busch Classic 
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/91698
http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/91698
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- United States
- WrecklessAbandon
Dodge Viper SRT10 ACR ‘08 - Anywhere. - S1's?
Ferrari 430 Scuderia ‘07 - Eifel Circuit 104A (Haven't looked, is it available?) Or any course, If you haven't yet driven this car, you're missing out, possibly the best handling stock car in the game. 👍
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) ‘09 - Laguna Seca Raceway - S2's?
Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 ‘09 - Clubman Stage Route 5 - S3's
McLaren F1 ‘94 - Circuit de la Sarthe - R1's
Other cars I would love to see:
BMW M3 CSL ‘03
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe ‘06
Maserati GranTurismo S ‘08
Lexus IS F ‘07
If any of these are considered, I'd like it to be known that I care much more about the cars listed than specific car/track combos.
It also seems I missed out on a few of my favorite tracks.
Tsukuba, Trial Mountain, Grand Valley.
Oh well, they'll come back around sooner or later.
- S1's? Ferrari 430 Scuderia ‘07 - Eifel Circuit 104A (Haven't looked, is it available?) Or any course, If you haven't yet driven this car, you're missing out, possibly the best handling stock car in the game. 👍
Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (C6) ‘09 - Laguna Seca Raceway - S2's?
Lamborghini Murciélago LP 640 ‘09 - Clubman Stage Route 5 - S3's
McLaren F1 ‘94 - Circuit de la Sarthe - R1's
Other cars I would love to see:
BMW M3 CSL ‘03
Aston Martin DB9 Coupe ‘06
Maserati GranTurismo S ‘08
Lexus IS F ‘07
If any of these are considered, I'd like it to be known that I care much more about the cars listed than specific car/track combos.
It also seems I missed out on a few of my favorite tracks.
Tsukuba, Trial Mountain, Grand Valley.
Oh well, they'll come back around sooner or later.
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- Adelaide
- GTP_Luds78
Hi there,
I was thinking it would be interesting to take things back to basics and run a week with a go-kart. Not sure on a track as I am reasonably new to the game. Just for fun i ran the Nurburgring in the kart a few weeks back and it was one hell of a challange to keep the thing fast and on the track pointing in the correct direction.
I was thinking it would be interesting to take things back to basics and run a week with a go-kart. Not sure on a track as I am reasonably new to the game. Just for fun i ran the Nurburgring in the kart a few weeks back and it was one hell of a challange to keep the thing fast and on the track pointing in the correct direction.
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- GTP_ZR42
Heres a idea weekend of racing that consists of qualifying rounds for a main event (Final) .. say 8 qualyifing heats of 16 entrants with top 4 qualifing thurther for 2 remaining prefinals with the top 8 from the prefinals contesting the final...... Or something to that effect...
- 3,187
- USA
- GTP_CarlosF
Purely for my own interest, I decided to have a look at the history of the GT5 WRS in an effort to see if a pattern existed that might explain the participation levels for any given period.
I’ll preface this by saying that I am in awe of Kev, Vaxen, Joost, Maz and Steven and the work they do. It must be a little disappointing when they spend hours developing an event, only to have people either not turn up or talk trash. I for one appreciate your efforts, and I know many others share my thoughts. I only do WRS events now (I still haven’t completed the beginner events on either of my GT5 profiles) so I want to do my bit to ensure it remains a healthy WRS.
Note that this is not scientific in the slightest, all I’ve done is chart the number of participants and submissions for each week, and made a note of the cars and tracks. From there on, it’s pure speculation on my part as to why the numbers have changed, but I’m hoping it might drive some reasoned discussion/debate and consequently provide a bit of user feedback to the admin.
Observations…
Participation starts off well but then declines over the first 5 weeks as people fall by the wayside, either through waning interest in GT5, realizing they aren’t as good as they thought they were, or not having the time to regularly compete.
Weeks 5-9 have a consistent level of participation over a wide range of car types, tracks and tyres which suggests that there is something each week that holds the imagination
Week 10 saw the first drop in participation and I’d suggest that this was down to it being a rally event and people deciding they were not interested before really giving it a go. There were also those that maybe thought all the feedback would break their wheel!
Week 11 was the NASCAR event at the Indy Road track and participation was as per wk10. Maybe people stayed away because they didn’t like the track and/or the cars? Thee tyres were not the factor as the same had been run in week 9. Running a car that could be altered in set-up shouldn’t have been an issue either (per wk1 and 5). Maybe people simply missed it through not coming back after the rally event?
Week 12 was the first multi-lapper and the lowest participation to dat. We’d had hot hatches and road courses previously, so I conclude that the multi-lap format put people off (a theory reinforced in wk21)
Weeks 13-15 showed a resurgence. The cars were all different (although all fast), but the tracks were again all old favourites which most people knew well.
Weeks 16-18 showed another decline. Maybe some needed a rest as wk14 and 15 were quite intense. I have no idea why these event’s weren’t more popular – especially Monza
Increased participation for week 19 – was it the rocket ship we were driving or the fact we were back on a long standing track again, or the race soft tyres?
Week 20 – big drop off for Suzuka. Track and/or car too difficult for some? GT5P WRS track reuse?
Week 21 – issue of the multi-lap event again? Or was the poor participation a knock-on effect from wk 20 (see wk 11 after the rally event)?
Miscellaneous observations and conclusions... (just my own thoughts so don’t shoot me!)
I’ll preface this by saying that I am in awe of Kev, Vaxen, Joost, Maz and Steven and the work they do. It must be a little disappointing when they spend hours developing an event, only to have people either not turn up or talk trash. I for one appreciate your efforts, and I know many others share my thoughts. I only do WRS events now (I still haven’t completed the beginner events on either of my GT5 profiles) so I want to do my bit to ensure it remains a healthy WRS.
Note that this is not scientific in the slightest, all I’ve done is chart the number of participants and submissions for each week, and made a note of the cars and tracks. From there on, it’s pure speculation on my part as to why the numbers have changed, but I’m hoping it might drive some reasoned discussion/debate and consequently provide a bit of user feedback to the admin.
Observations…
Participation starts off well but then declines over the first 5 weeks as people fall by the wayside, either through waning interest in GT5, realizing they aren’t as good as they thought they were, or not having the time to regularly compete.
Weeks 5-9 have a consistent level of participation over a wide range of car types, tracks and tyres which suggests that there is something each week that holds the imagination
Week 10 saw the first drop in participation and I’d suggest that this was down to it being a rally event and people deciding they were not interested before really giving it a go. There were also those that maybe thought all the feedback would break their wheel!
Week 11 was the NASCAR event at the Indy Road track and participation was as per wk10. Maybe people stayed away because they didn’t like the track and/or the cars? Thee tyres were not the factor as the same had been run in week 9. Running a car that could be altered in set-up shouldn’t have been an issue either (per wk1 and 5). Maybe people simply missed it through not coming back after the rally event?
Week 12 was the first multi-lapper and the lowest participation to dat. We’d had hot hatches and road courses previously, so I conclude that the multi-lap format put people off (a theory reinforced in wk21)
Weeks 13-15 showed a resurgence. The cars were all different (although all fast), but the tracks were again all old favourites which most people knew well.
Weeks 16-18 showed another decline. Maybe some needed a rest as wk14 and 15 were quite intense. I have no idea why these event’s weren’t more popular – especially Monza
Increased participation for week 19 – was it the rocket ship we were driving or the fact we were back on a long standing track again, or the race soft tyres?
Week 20 – big drop off for Suzuka. Track and/or car too difficult for some? GT5P WRS track reuse?
Week 21 – issue of the multi-lap event again? Or was the poor participation a knock-on effect from wk 20 (see wk 11 after the rally event)?
Miscellaneous observations and conclusions... (just my own thoughts so don’t shoot me!)
- The tyre type seems to be independent and not a factor in determining participation
- Whilst D2 and D3 participation seems fairly constant over the weeks, D1 and D4 numbers seem to fluctuate which may be determined by the relative challenge each group perceives a given event to provide (too easy for D1 and too hard for D4).
- There may be a number of other special causes that I haven’t considered (proximity of an event to a seasonal event time trial for example)
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Just to give my two cents.
The only time I've missed an event for non time issues, was the NASCAR and the Multi Lap ones. NASCAR, simply because I found it pretty tricky to control and just couldn't set a competitive time within my Division.
Multi laps, basically I didn't really like the whole, do 2 laps, quit, do another 2, quit, ETC. I like to be able to run lap after lap because I get a rhythm going which helps, which I doubt I'd get with the above. But, if there's another one in the future, I may give it a go.
The only time I've missed an event for non time issues, was the NASCAR and the Multi Lap ones. NASCAR, simply because I found it pretty tricky to control and just couldn't set a competitive time within my Division.
Multi laps, basically I didn't really like the whole, do 2 laps, quit, do another 2, quit, ETC. I like to be able to run lap after lap because I get a rhythm going which helps, which I doubt I'd get with the above. But, if there's another one in the future, I may give it a go.
JoostBaksteen
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Nice analysis Carlos 👍.
I certainly think some combo's have more appeal to certain people than others, so that may influence the number of participants for any week.
Besides the combo, tyre choice etc. I also think the motivation to play WRS week-in-week out has to do something with it. We've seen some guys that participated every week to take a break as they couldn't find the motivation to put the required number of hours into WRS, which is completely understandable. But we've also seen a pretty steady stream of new guys coming in.
When looking at GT5P we see about 30 participants each week and I think we're getting to the level that the 'newness' of GT5 is wearing off, and that the more 'casual gamers', if you will, have stopped playing WRS leaving the more hardware guys over.
And there's the new users coming in and some guys leaving WRS. So I think we're at the level where the number of participants start to stabilize. If you continue the trend of the chart at week 30 there would be little to none participants left, but I don't think that will happen.
I certainly think some combo's have more appeal to certain people than others, so that may influence the number of participants for any week.
Besides the combo, tyre choice etc. I also think the motivation to play WRS week-in-week out has to do something with it. We've seen some guys that participated every week to take a break as they couldn't find the motivation to put the required number of hours into WRS, which is completely understandable. But we've also seen a pretty steady stream of new guys coming in.
When looking at GT5P we see about 30 participants each week and I think we're getting to the level that the 'newness' of GT5 is wearing off, and that the more 'casual gamers', if you will, have stopped playing WRS leaving the more hardware guys over.
And there's the new users coming in and some guys leaving WRS. So I think we're at the level where the number of participants start to stabilize. If you continue the trend of the chart at week 30 there would be little to none participants left, but I don't think that will happen.
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- Seattle
- GTP_Gravitron
I'll still be around in Week 30 and beyond. 
I doubt it'll be just me, too, Joost.
The experience I've had thus far in all 21 weeks has made me wish I'd gotten in on the GT5P WRS earlier (hell, even GT4, I've been on this site since 2005 or so), instead of just "playing along at home" for the last few weeks of it, prior to GT5's release.
Nice chart, Jon, thanks for that. 👍 I wonder how much the online racing is pulling people away from WRS. The immediate gratification of a win online vs the week-long wait for a hotlapping outcome? Although the low participation in OMRS seems to refute that.
Personally, I've only spectated a couple OMRS's, and otherwise haven't touched online, just looked through the public rooms occasionally. Like you, Jon, I mostly do WRS these days, and am happy with it, and my progress. 👍 My unpredictable "gaming time" makes WRS the perfect GT5 activity, which requires no advance setup or coordination with others.
Big thanks to Kev, Vaxen, Joost, Maz and Steven, as Jon mentioned. Wonderfully selfless of you guys to do all this!
I look forward to the see what the "changes" are, which Kevin hinted at in another thread.
I doubt it'll be just me, too, Joost. The experience I've had thus far in all 21 weeks has made me wish I'd gotten in on the GT5P WRS earlier (hell, even GT4, I've been on this site since 2005 or so), instead of just "playing along at home" for the last few weeks of it, prior to GT5's release.
Nice chart, Jon, thanks for that. 👍 I wonder how much the online racing is pulling people away from WRS. The immediate gratification of a win online vs the week-long wait for a hotlapping outcome? Although the low participation in OMRS seems to refute that.
Personally, I've only spectated a couple OMRS's, and otherwise haven't touched online, just looked through the public rooms occasionally. Like you, Jon, I mostly do WRS these days, and am happy with it, and my progress. 👍 My unpredictable "gaming time" makes WRS the perfect GT5 activity, which requires no advance setup or coordination with others.
Big thanks to Kev, Vaxen, Joost, Maz and Steven, as Jon mentioned. Wonderfully selfless of you guys to do all this!
I look forward to the see what the "changes" are, which Kevin hinted at in another thread.
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- GTP_mcfizzle
- LotsaMcfizzle
My participation has dropped off after running the first 12 or so weeks and it is mostly due to lack of motivation to play GT 5 or any games for that matter. At no point was it the specific combo that has kept me away. I will be back consistently at some point, just need time. WRS amins, keep doing what you guys do because you are amazing and put on a great series.
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- USA
- GTP_CarlosF
Some good feedback so far - I think it's important to recoginise that there are likely no right or wrong answers to this, it's just a matter of gaining different peoples perspectives and seeing if they form a picture.
Personally WRS is manna for me - online racing is out as I can't pre-determine my seat time so I'll be running every week, although it is often only for 4 or 5 hrs in total for each event.
I concur 110% with Mcfizzle's last statement 👍
Personally WRS is manna for me - online racing is out as I can't pre-determine my seat time so I'll be running every week, although it is often only for 4 or 5 hrs in total for each event.
I concur 110% with Mcfizzle's last statement 👍
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- GTP_BloodiMayhem
I spent the hard eaned on a wheel BECAUSE of the WRS!!!
Personally, i give each week a try ALWAYS, but i dont always compete.
To clarify, I'm not a dirt devil by any stetch so i dont run those events (rally) and I'm no Nascar driver either, so i tend to steer clear of those events.
I am not a set up Wizz, so the weeks where the car has to have a full set up, i usually rely on the set ups provided by the lovely folk in the WRS community
Other than that, I'm usually up for anything.
As Gravitron said, I'll be here for a while yet!
Cheers All !!!
Personally, i give each week a try ALWAYS, but i dont always compete.
To clarify, I'm not a dirt devil by any stetch so i dont run those events (rally) and I'm no Nascar driver either, so i tend to steer clear of those events.
I am not a set up Wizz, so the weeks where the car has to have a full set up, i usually rely on the set ups provided by the lovely folk in the WRS community
Other than that, I'm usually up for anything.
As Gravitron said, I'll be here for a while yet!
Cheers All !!!
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- United States
- WrecklessAbandon
I wasn't expecting a two-week hiatus, but that FF shootout got loaded with more tunes than I ever imagined, and ended up being quite fun thrashing all them little guys around.
I intend to already be back to the WRS though.
My input is that I think people mostly appear/disappear over frustration issues, as hot lapping can become very aggravating, and it can be disappointing when your efforts don't pay off as well as you hoped.
But I think online play is making the biggest difference when you compare it to GT4's WRS participation levels.
Leaderboards would be a bigger threat to the WRS, but they don't exist, so I think it's 100% safe for now, and probably safe even if leaderboards do show up.👍
I intend to already be back to the WRS though.
My input is that I think people mostly appear/disappear over frustration issues, as hot lapping can become very aggravating, and it can be disappointing when your efforts don't pay off as well as you hoped.
But I think online play is making the biggest difference when you compare it to GT4's WRS participation levels.
Leaderboards would be a bigger threat to the WRS, but they don't exist, so I think it's 100% safe for now, and probably safe even if leaderboards do show up.👍
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- England
- NINE_HUNDRED
Online leader boards or WRS? I always wondered if there was a WRS Leaderboard somewhere with everyones place from past weeks, with some sort of point system maybe?
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- Ostend, Belgium
- Speedy6543
I don't know if you discovered this already.
It hasn't got a point system but you can see way back in history.
http://wrs.gtplanet.net/
