GTP_WRS Week 128 : Official Results

[millross]

@gtpcaine

If two wheels are airborne but *would* be in contact if the car were grounded, it's fine. This has come up here and there with tracks capable of launching vehicles. Not sure but it looks like a slight rule contradiction in the wording , but in my experience its always worked as I described in practice.

I think your diligence in replays checking and pictures above is excellent and a massive credit to this particular event. Lots of respect for that effort. 👍 👍

I look at those photos and am gobsmacked that lap was submitted, though, it has to be said..... (As in, the one which shows the car way on the grass, not mikes lap which in truth is phenomenal)

 

[Carlos Fandango]

@gtpcaine

I look at those photos and am gobsmacked that lap was submitted, though, it has to be said..... (As in, the one which shows the car way on the grass, not mikes lap which in truth is phenomenal)

Agreed Matt. I wonder whether GTP_C0F missed the comments in the OP about two wheels on (or above) the track at all times

 

[gtpcaine]

I think your diligence in replays checking and pictures above is excellent and a massive credit to this particular event. Lots of respect for that effort. 👍 👍

cheers mate, I try to check as many as possible because it helps me see any time I lost, or different lines etc

As for the pictures, well... with proof no-one can argue Plus with the breakthrough in replay checking its now up to the rest of us to make sure the driving standards are kept high like the technical side of things.

 

[ConRollins]

Just for the record, personally I agree. I would call it legal, I was just referring to the OP

And just for the record, I now am not sure. The phrase "where contact with the track is not possible" has me wondering. Are there any situations where contact with the track is not possible? Cape ring is a track where everyone goes airborne. But at a slower speed, it is possible to keep all four tires on the track. I know of no track in the game where the tarmac drops away enough to warrant "airborne" at any speed.

A strict interpretation would put him illegal as the car is airborne (unless the unseen right tire is on the grass) and all four tires are not over the track. Although the rule is nonsensical in that if one or two tires were on the grass it would be legal but if both the lefts are in the air with the rights, it would be illegal?

If the run is judged legal, then I think the rule needs changing or, at a minimum, reworded.

 

[Gravitron]

The Admins will be discussing how to handle this. Most likely a thread-recycle/copy-n-paste issue.

Just to add a bit of background, the first event where the "all four tires would have made contact with the track" wording was used was in Week 82 at Trial Mountain, where we did indeed intend for all 4 wheels to always remain legal. A huge majority of events instead had the "at least two tires" wording. I'm counting about 15 events since then that have most likely quietly and incorrectly contained the "all four tires" wording.

 

[WRP001]

tree'd by Lucas. ("four tires" was an inadvertent carry over from an event where it made sense, but is not consistent with this event).

 

[mike_gt3]

Thank you all for the good comments! i appreciate it!

i lost some time at the end of t2 on the fast left hand (touched grass on right wich unbalanced the car..) then braked too early on the last right hand, t2 should have been about ,180, it was the best start of t2 i had... only other place i lost time was mostly on braking i was too cautious/nervous

Well done escama, i was not sure at the end, i know you are quick and i didnt know what to expect 👍


Heres a picture of a view similar to what Caine posted (tried to take it at closest place to the grass) , with another point of view, i had laps that were dirty at this area at my first attempts, and adjusted my driving from there

it does look like it is dirty at first viewed from the top, my heart stopped a few times watching the replays!!

For the 4 tires in the air i completly overlooked that , i just remembered the event 54 and 94 where 2 wheel were fine, i just started running the event, i should have checked and asked from there i guess, my bad.



edit:

Just for info, and not that it necessarily assisted my lap time, but I changed my BB down the back straight from 5/6 (thanks Mike!) to 7/4 to aid stability. Once I did that I never lost it under braking in that final sector braking down from 196mph - only problem was with only 4 clean laps all week, I was lacking the necessary 'minerials' to take full advantage of that extra stability and brake late enough

Mental note to self: run more laps at the 'ring...

Thank you Jon! for the last part what i do most of time i try to run the car halfway on the curbs while trailbraking, and i use a little amount of throttle to keep the tail planted while braking, you can see i used that in the current event, once you find the braking point and get used to give the right amount of throttle its useful in lot of situations

everytime you start to lose the rear on braking, especially in a race when you want to keep it on the track, just give mild throttle while braking and it will stabilize



Heres my replay file in case its still needed:

 

[luv2drive]

Wow that is definitely close Mike! Great lap BTW.

But this brought up a question that I'm probably going to need to learn now that I've been provisionally accepted into WRS.

I hope you don't mind the noob-ness of this question... but how do you get those images at the exact spot on the track you want to look at? I've seen photo mode in the replay theater, but it seems you have to press pause to stop right on a dime to get to the frame you want. I'm sure there must be a frame-by-frame or super-slow forward/reverse, but I can't seem to find it.

 

[mike_gt3]

Thank you and welcome in WRS.
You do have to hit pause to stop right on a dime where you want to look at, that is why it is better to post a lap that dont require a lot of check if possible, if you have doubt it is almost better to consider it dirty and try again.

 

[Airsick]

My replay.

 

[Carlos Fandango]

Thank you all for the good comments! i appreciate it!

Thank you Jon! for the last part what i do most of time i try to run the car halfway on the curbs while trailbraking, and i use a little amount of throttle to keep the tail planted while braking, you can see i used that in the current event, once you find the braking point and get used to give the right amount of throttle its useful in lot of situations

everytime you start to lose the rear on braking, especially in a race when you want to keep it on the track, just give mild throttle while braking and it will stabilize

Hey Mike, yes I use trail braking a lot as well including this week. However at the end of the lap I wanted some extra security, hence the adjustment. I know my own limits and getting to the end of the lap with this combo consistently and at pace was a challenge to say the least...

 

[gtpcaine]

The Admins will be discussing how to handle this. Most likely a thread-recycle/copy-n-paste issue.

Just to add a bit of background, the first event where the "all four tires would have made contact with the track" wording was used was in Week 82 at Trial Mountain, where we did indeed intend for all 4 wheels to always remain legal. A huge majority of events instead had the "at least two tires" wording. I'm counting about 15 events since then that have most likely quietly and incorrectly contained the "all four tires" wording.

tree'd by Lucas. ("four tires" was an inadvertent carry over from an event where it made sense, but is not consistent with this event).

Thanks both for clearing this up 👍

 

[snowgt]

Here's my replay...

 

[mike_gt3]

Hey Mike, yes I use trail braking a lot as well including this week. However at the end of the lap I wanted some extra security, hence the adjustment. I know my own limits and getting to the end of the lap with this combo consistently and at pace was a challenge to say the least...

I understand that just thought id share a tip about what is possible to do during oversteer on trailbraking, adjusting the brake bias definatly work too!



Thx Tim and Lucas

 

[gtpcaine]

2---7'01.313---GTP_SnowCrash

all good, nice and smooth, good lap mate

 

[mohitraina91]

I'm in awe at the lap Mike, great win 👍.

Nice job Escama! And close one Praiano, very very close after 7 minutes of the ring .
Nice job on D2 win Caine, and well done to all other winners and podium finishers!

 

[gtpcaine]

Nice job on D2 win Caine

Cheers mate, was hunting your time down but couldn't quite get there!

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Replays still in need of submission:

3---6'58.556---GTP_gooners_17 (Replay Needed) (NTSC)
3---7'09.335---GTP_AspecBob (Replay Needed) (NTSC)

Replays in need of verification:

1---6'54.786---GTP_Mike_Peperni (NTSC)
4---6'58.843---GTP_praiano (NTSC)
1---7'00.016---GTP_Caine (PAL)
2---7'04.310---GTP_Airsick (NTSC)

 

[mike_gt3]

Thank you Mohit! congrats on your podium as well!

2---7'04.310---GTP_Airsick

Clean lap, well done!
4---6'58.843---GTP_praiano

Clean lap, great run Laurent! nice save a little after the karoussel when you got one wheel in the grass before a corner 👍

 

[praiano63]

Thank you Mohit! congrats on your podium as well!

2---7'04.310---GTP_Airsick

Clean lap, well done!
4---6'58.843---GTP_praiano

Clean lap, great run Laurent! nice save a little after the karoussel when you got one wheel in the grass before a corner 👍

Thanks for the check Mike, i'll try to look some tomorrow if i have time. Yes , the little drift was a bit wild... 458 is a beast, even stock you can find a way to make it move nicely after some laps.
Tons of fun 👍

 

[Carlos Fandango]

I've downloaded Caine's lap and will review in a few hours

 

[Carlos Fandango]

7'00.016---GTP_Caine

...no problems mate 👍 that looked like hard work though in a few places

 

[gtpcaine]

7'00.016---GTP_Caine

...no problems mate 👍 that looked like hard work though in a few places

Thanks for checking mate 👍 yeah it was a scruffy lap, that's why I felt the podium was in my grasp, but I'm happy with a division win

 

[mike_gt3]

just had one scary moment watching the first page of the results thread again and see ''arcade mode event''

my heart almost stopped i tried to remember if there was a 458 in arcade mode

 

[ConRollins]

1---6'54.786---GTP_Mike_Peperni

SMOKIN!

 

[mike_gt3]

1---6'54.786---GTP_Mike_Peperni

SMOKIN!

thx for checking mate!

 

[gtpcaine]

Well done Mike, glad to see a pass for you 👍

Replays still in need of submission:

3---6'58.556---GTP_gooners_17 (Replay Needed) (NTSC)
3---7'09.335---GTP_AspecBob (Replay Needed) (NTSC)

 

[mike_gt3]

Well done Mike, glad to see a pass for you 👍

Replays still in need of submission:

3---6'58.556---GTP_gooners_17 (Replay Needed) (NTSC)
3---7'09.335---GTP_AspecBob (Replay Needed) (NTSC)

Thx!

i will watch the replays when they are available to download.

 

[AspecBob]

Congrats Mike for the win and thanks for your help. Congrats to everyone who submitted.

Thank you Kevin for the great combo, I really enjoyed it, just wish I had had more time to improve. And thank you Vaxen for the results.

Here is my NTSC replay.

 

[mohitraina91]

I'll post mine this afternoon and check Segovia's replay then.

 

[Vagabond]

I'll post mine this afternoon and check Segovia's replay then.

Your replay is late almost every week Mohit - you've never been penalised for it but the deadline exists for a reason. Why don't you just have it ready every week for when the results are posted? If you know you're likely to be on the podium, and you often are, just get it sorted.