GTP_WRS Week 130 : WRS does WSR F3

[tarnheld]

Awesome combo, hope to be in the driver seat Soon™!:tup:

I messed with the BB a bit and not running ABS sort of hinders the 5/5 preset a bit. After 6 months I can tell my feet have lost a lot of braking sensitivity. If anyone else is not running ABS I would appreciate a little coaching/help. Well that is unless the FIA would penalize me for asking for that ;-).

IMHO you need to dial down the BB for cars with racing brakes as they lock up pretty quick. I haven't run the combo, but i guess 1/1 or even 0/0 should do the trick. Try braking fully on a straight from decent speed and notice the lockup: if the front locks up earlier dial down the front setting more, same for the rear setting.
When the tires don't lock up anymore adjust to taste, some like the tires locking up just a bit when braking fully and run a little higher overall BB values. Sometimes it's better to have more grip at the front and let the rear step out a bit when entering a corner for better turn in, that's when you lower the front value for a rear bias. And when you want to cure an oversteery car you can lower the rear value for a front bias.
Unfortunately if you have to dial down the BB because of racing brake lockup you don't have much leeway for these minute adjustments -- for example going from 1/1 to 0/1 is adding a 50% rear brake bias and can make the car into an twitchy nightmare on corner entry. Hope this helps.

EDIT: Cleared up the wording about biases.

 

[J_Starscream]

Didn't gain or lose any time in T1 but gained a fair amount in T2:

23.534
43.467

 

[J_Starscream]

On a side note and sorry for double post:

@Mr P, @mistersafeway, please don't improve so I can look good!

 

[Meister Fetz]

 

[J_Starscream]

Only you could manage that!

 

[8l23ub]

24.000
44.500

 

[miata13B]

There are a lot of people here much more qualified than myself to give help but I believe I can safely say that it is very rare for someone to not use abs when available. IMO you should give it a try with ABS on and see what it does for you lap times.

Although I do agree that when available with ABS to use it, after I stopped playing GT6 I was not using ABS and I noticed in a few series that I was able to race faster without it during race conditions. Coming back to GT6 I have decided that I am going to stick to not using ABS. I feel in the long run this is going to make a big difference in my racecraft along with helping to increase my pace overall. I also feel this will be a good way to challenge myself keeping the entertainment factor going a lot longer too. :-)

Awesome combo, hope to be in the driver seat Soon™!:tup:



IMHO you need to dial down the BB for cars with racing brakes as they lock up pretty quick. I haven't run the combo, but i guess 1/1 or even 0/0 should do the trick. Try braking fully on a straight from decent speed and notice the lockup: if the front locks up earlier dial down the front setting more, same for the rear setting.
When the tires don't lock up anymore adjust to taste, some like the tires locking up just a bit when braking fully and run a little higher overall BB values. Sometimes it's better to have more grip at the front and let the rear step out a bit when entering a corner for better turn in, that's when you lower the front value for a rear bias. And when you want to cure an oversteery car you can lower the rear value for a front bias.
Unfortunately if you have to dial down the BB because of racing brake lockup you don't have much leeway for these minute adjustments -- for example going from 1/1 to 0/1 is adding a 50% rear brake bias and can make the car into an twitchy nightmare on corner entry. Hope this helps.

EDIT: Cleared up the wording about biases.

Thanks for that, I have dialed down the BB a bit but not to the extreme of 1/1 or 0/1 yet. I found a healthy balance of slight lock without killing the car with understeer at 3/4 and 3/3. When I get my next chance to run this combo I think I will try 2/3 and 2/2 seeing if that helps any.

I guess to explain what I'm experiencing and the balance I am trying to find might make it easier to get some advice better.

Going from 5/5 BB I noticed that while it would lock up at turn 2 and turn 5 (out of the tunnel) causing a significant amount of understeer. Locking will do that of course, as adjusting the BB down the less lockup happens, but at the sacrifice of increased time I am on the brakes in between turn 1 and 2, turn 5 and turn 10 (the long left hander before the main straight). The balance I am trying to dial in is to minimize the braking point in distance while being able to modulate the brake with some foot adjustment while braking.

I found with BB at 3/3 seemed a good compromise and 3/4 pretty much the same. The end result is trying to figure out how to use the least amount of braking with the maximum amount of brake power to help increase times. I think that is what everyone is doing. Well sorry for that long winded response, I appreciate any an all help. :-)

 

[Thematic]

I found with BB at 3/3 seemed a good compromise and 3/4 pretty much the same. The end result is trying to figure out how to use the least amount of braking with the maximum amount of brake power to help increase times. I think that is what everyone is doing.

I often run near neutral brakes (I remember reading the individual cars affect it), especially for non-tuning events or those cases where I at least start with my own setup. Used to have also high values due to a very stiff pedal, but that is no longer an issue. After determining it once I tend to stop thinking about it and run the laps.

Having said that, this combo is unusual in that it has the racing brakes but less than half the usual mass. Therefore I will probably try it differently at least for one session.

When I was getting into Gran Turismo 4 more (changed to wheel only), I was disappointed that all cars had antilock/ABS. With GT5 I tried to guess which cars had it as standard. Early 2014 when I got the then new game I dropped the assist completely since I don't have much knowledge about cars and more importantly, ABS off was generally more engaging.

 

[deaconblues82]

Obligatory track boundary question, specifically after the hairpin at the start of S2 there are two turns you kinda take as one; it might be a bridge? There is the wide concrete sidewalk looking guy, as long as I'm two tires on red and white I'm good? I'm just a little confused by the last line of the copy/paste for this weeks boundary guidelines.

Also turn two is killing me. If anyone felt like throwing up a sector 1 vid that would be sweeeet. (and I mean anyone, comparatively my times are .

 

[GTP_randy]

@deaconblues82 yep, keep two wheels on the rumble and your good.
I found that just putting the right side wheels on the rumble there was faster than going wider and letting the left side on the rumble.

 

[CinnamonOD]

Going to shake the rust off and try to get competitive again. This tt seems like a great opportunity to do it.

 

[monkeywall]

23.442
43.592

Changed BB 4/6 now, found it turns a little to much for me when lifting of the brake for the 1st couple of laps but at around lap 4 when your tyre's start going that lighter blue colour (our am I seeing things) it turns nicely. Warning I do mess around to much sometimes with the settings

 

[mistersafeway]

Seeing as there's so much discussion about brakes: BB 4/5 ABS 0.

At least I'm not the only one...

 

[RuddRacer]

Although I do agree that when available with ABS to use it, after I stopped playing GT6 I was not using ABS and I noticed in a few series that I was able to race faster without it during race conditions. Coming back to GT6 I have decided that I am going to stick to not using ABS. I feel in the long run this is going to make a big difference in my racecraft along with helping to increase my pace overall. I also feel this will be a good way to challenge myself keeping the entertainment factor going a lot longer too. :-)

Sorry, I think I misunderstood. I thought you were asking if using ABS would improve your times.

I admire your desire to make it work with no ABS and would love to do the same but don't feel its practical with my current crappy DFGT pedals. Good luck! 👍


For anyone curious why I have not posted my splits yet... Lets just say I'm having some problems in the 1st sector

 

[miata13B]

Sorry, I think I misunderstood. I thought you were asking if using ABS would improve your times.

I admire your desire to make it work with no ABS and would love to do the same but don't feel its practical with my current crappy DFGT pedals. Good luck! 👍

Oh, I did not even take that as a misunderstanding at all. I was the one that did not explain myself from the beginning. I never had the chance to ever use a DFGT, from the day it came out I always wanted one, but never could mustard up the resources at the time along with space needed to be able to use it.

I ended up finding a huge deal on a setup about 3 years ago that ultimately made me switch from DS3 to wheel pedal setup. The transition from controller to wheel setup took a shorter amount of time, but breaking bad habits I used with the controller was the hardest thing to do.

Anyhoo, not the best splits, but the best lap so far

24.015
44.498

I knoe I am leaving about a second on the table here. I just can't seem to put together the one magical lap :-(

 

[GTP_randy]

@RuddRacer lmao at the last pic. Are the pictures in order?If so we're you able to save it?

 

[Meister Fetz]

23.389
43.356

 

[GTP_randy]

@Meister Fetz mind if I join ya?.

23.466
43.350

After 800km's saw some low .4 t1's this morning so there's still room for improvement in t2.

 

[RuddRacer]

@RuddRacer lmao at the last pic. Are the pictures in order?If so we're you able to save it?

Yes the pictures are in order (what happened 1st is I hit the wall head on, not very eventful).

Of course I saved it.....NOT!

The car was still rotating CW and went back across the track. I do think the last picture is pretty cool, (took several from different angles) people would think its was a glitch in the game or and edited photo.

Finally had a decent time on all 3 sectors on the same lap!

Initial splits

23.683
43.767

Contrary to that last picture, You and Stefan are the ones flying around the track!

 

[roamer2629]

Yes the pictures are in order (what happened 1st is I hit the wall head on, not very eventful).

Of course I saved it.....NOT!

The car was still rotating CW and went back across the track. I do think the last picture is pretty cool, (took several from different angles) people would think its was a glitch in the game or and edited photo.

Finally had a decent time on all 3 sectors on the same lap!

Initial splits

23.683
43.767

Contrary to that last picture, You and Stefan are the ones flying around the track!

Hey Eric, I don't think levitation is allowed

 

[deaconblues82]

Yes the pictures are in order (what happened 1st is I hit the wall head on, not very eventful).

The car was still rotating CW and went back across the track. I do think the last picture is pretty cool, (took several from different angles) people would think its was a glitch in the game or and edited photo.

With your backside hanging that far out of the car I bet you think twice about riding any kerbs...

 

[tarnheld]

First go, this car may weigh only half a ton but is tons of fun!

BB 4/5, seems the soft tires are a good match for the racing brakes. 👍

24.390
44.674

 

[CinnamonOD]

Having problems with this, I lose a lot of time at the kink before the tunnel and at the s after it.

 

[GTP_randy]

Having problems with this, I lose a lot of time at the kink before the tunnel and at the s after it.

Just some throttle lift (about 25%) before end of rumble on the right will give you the turn in you need. Be sure to stay of the curb on the left.Hope that helps

 

[Meister Fetz]

and at the s after it

Try to exit the hairpin close to the right/mid-track. Sector 2 is "only" the hairpin and then full throttle it smoothly.

 

[Thematic]

Instead of five, turn, four, turn did
five, turn, four, three, turn.

23.950
44.517

 

[Mr P]

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This one would probably still be clean haha.. might be 4 foot in the air but looks like it's still above the rumble strip

Great splits being posted guys 👍 will try again over the weekend

 

[OZ]

Hey everyone, I haven't been around for a while but trying to get back.

There are some fast splits being posted nice job.👍

My first splits.

23.747
43.781

Hopefully I will be able to up date these splits but we will see.
Fun combo, thanks guys.

 

[GTP_Patrick1]

Hey everyone, I haven't been around for a while but trying to get back.

There are some fast splits being posted nice job.👍

My first splits.

23.747
43.781

Hopefully I will be able to up date these splits but we will see.
Fun combo, thanks guys.

Welcome back Joe, long time no see.

 

[Gadge]

23.667
44.317