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Hack your local ATM...
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Evolution.
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Holy simplicity batman.
Evolution.
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Der Alta is a leet haxor. Everyone protect your megahurts!
its the attack of the bad newbie impersonator.
- 2,886
Looks like I don't need a job afterall.
Me too.
- 5,987
I have a question - would this be illegal to do? I can't see how it is, everything was obtained legally and I don't think you are illegaly tampering with the machine. It's as if you explained in full detail why a bank tellar should give you a hundred dollars for nothing, and if they are convinced, they hand you your money.
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Keef
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In a word, exactly. The paper says it's illegal, but that only matters if you get caught.
THat's the thing, you are illegally tampering with the machine. That man was not authorized to work on the machine--only certain company employees can do that, I would guess.
- 5,078
- Panama City, FL
I really don't understand people saying it's only illegal if you get caught. Hopefully everybody's kidding, but maybe not. I know I have this problem with my kids, they are convinced that not getting caught makes it OK.
If it's illegal and you don't get caught, you don't go to jail. It's still illegal.
And accessing something with a password or code that you're not entitled to have IS illegal.
If it's illegal and you don't get caught, you don't go to jail. It's still illegal.
And accessing something with a password or code that you're not entitled to have IS illegal.
- 5,987
But where does it say you are not entitled? You aquired the manuals legally, you entered them legally. You're just pressing buttons!
It's like there was a secret phone number, and if you called it, they mailed you free money. If I found a slip of paper with a number on it, called that number, and instantly got money. That isn't illegal. Or what if there was a simple puzzle, when solved, opened a latch with a wad of cash inside. If you took that money, it would be theft?
What would you be arrested for? Illegal Password Entry?
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Just another thing to make my job a little harder. I work in a bank by day and one weekend a month go round fixing the ATMs for out bank that are broken. We have codes that change on a regular basis for accessing the cash part and anytime we access its all tracked but I never thought of the actualy code for accessing the ATM maintenance screens. When the our bank hears about this its gonna be another bloody password that has to be remembered and changed all the time.
- 5,078
- Panama City, FL
The people who are entitled to those codes occupy special jobs, have had special training, and have been through background checks. Posting the manual with default passwords was a mistake someone made, probably not realizing the URL could be public.
Finding a slip of paper with someone's account codes doesn't entitle you to their money. Neither does this. It makes it available to you, but does not entitle you to it. That's the line between legal and not.
You would be arrested for stealing the cash, plain and simple. It's called wire fraud if you're messing with an ATM.
Whether downloading the manual is legal or not is actually a separate question. Taking the cash by using the information in the manual is illegal. Done.
Keef
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Sounds right to me.
By the way, I wasn't endorcing illegal activity before, I was just showing how easy it mught be for a criminal to pick up the "logic" that "it's only illegal if you get caught."
By the way, I wasn't endorcing illegal activity before, I was just showing how easy it mught be for a criminal to pick up the "logic" that "it's only illegal if you get caught."
If the situation was exactly like what you said, then no, it wouldn't be illegal. But if that money belonged to somebody and they did not offer it to you or did not make a legal contract that says "If you solve the puzzle and open the box, you get the money," then yes, it would be illegal. You would have stolen their money.
Scaff
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On older cars with remote locking the security code is 'fixed' you can quite legally by a device that can grab these codes when the cars owner locks or unlocks the car.
The act of buying these devices, learning how to use them and actually using them to obtain the code is not technically illegal in most countries*. However to then use that code to open the car, start it and drive it off would be theft (of the car) and most certainly illegal.
Just because the means are freely available does not mean the act is legal.
BTW - most modern cars have rolling codes that change whenever the car is locked or unlocked and therefore is safe from this method.
Your second example is also flawed as its not the bank tellers money to give to you and as such if they gave you the money you could both be subject to charges (you most likely for fraud), this is exactly what con-artists do, convince someone who should know better to give them (the con-artist) something that does not belong to them.
Regards
Scaff
* Some countries (including the UK) could see you getting arrested for carrying this type of kit around without good reason, its called 'going equipped to steal', in the same way that hanging around someones house with the tools to break in may see you arrested even if its a screw-driver and other household tools.
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Scuff
But con-artists mostly promise something and then leave without fullfilling their promise(s). If I were to just put up a good case on why they should give me money with nothing in return, it would be theft? How do charities get off?
I know this isn't close to on-topic, but still...
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Of course, but do the peole taking the money even realize that, let alone care? It's the same way with trying to get rich from a lawsuit. Money doesn't just appear, it needs a source.
Remember, yhere is no such thing as a free lunch.
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Because its not the bank tellers money to give and you have no right to it, to convince someone to give you something that they have no right to give to you and you have no right to have is fraud, and with that off to jail you would go.
Scaff
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This is similar to my son claiming all his music was available for free, "cause it's on the Internet!"
Yes, it's out there, freely available for download, but the fact that it's illegal to post it for download, illegal to then download it, and illegal to further distribute it, means it's still illegal. He tried to tell me that if it was illegal, they wouldn't "let it be out there." When Napster 1 was crushed, he got the point.
(BTW, my firewall at home now blocks peer sites like Napster used to be, and I'm thinking of adding Myspace to the block list.)
Yes, it's out there, freely available for download, but the fact that it's illegal to post it for download, illegal to then download it, and illegal to further distribute it, means it's still illegal. He tried to tell me that if it was illegal, they wouldn't "let it be out there." When Napster 1 was crushed, he got the point.
(BTW, my firewall at home now blocks peer sites like Napster used to be, and I'm thinking of adding Myspace to the block list.)
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BLOCK MYSPACE.
Myspace will influence your kid to turn emo. You'll begin seeing slash marks on their wrists.
Myspace will influence your kid to turn emo. You'll begin seeing slash marks on their wrists.
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