Hello from Team_Skills

[superdan]

 

[Xtreme_Skills]

Okay wow, this went a bit far for something so stupid. There aren't any prizes so I don't see the big deal!
I'm sure plenty of you, including me, would gladly run wide and/or cut the track to get #1 or improve your time if you had to. It's still part of the track, it's just not made of tarmac

Will someone please send me that MR-S!? It's a time trial that actually looks fun 8/

 

[Small_Fryz]

I'm sure plenty of you, including me, would gladly run wide and/or cut the track to get #1 or improve your time if you had to. It's still part of the track, it's just not made of tarmac. 8/

Did you even read our posts?

 

[Hyper-Dan]

I'm sure plenty of you, including me, would gladly run wide and/or cut the track to get #1 or improve your time if you had to. It's still part of the track, it's just not made of tarmac

Oh dear!!!

 

[arora]

FM4 can't come out soon enough, but until then I guess it's.............

 

[Stotty]

Okay wow, this went a bit far for something so stupid. There aren't any prizes so I don't see the big deal!
I'm sure plenty of you, including me, would gladly run wide and/or cut the track to get #1 or improve your time if you had to. It's still part of the track, it's just not made of tarmac

Just to reiterate what's already been said....

The point is that all the fastest drivers on here (and all the other recognised top GT sites) would rather have the fastest clean time than have to run dirty to get the fasest time overall... and they would get far more respect for that.

As soon as you deliberately run dirty to get a faster lap you lose the respect of the community and your peers.

Of course this may not bother you, but if it doesn't, don't expect to come on GTP and get anything other than a hard time.

Some of my mates have said you guys are exemplary on the track when racing on-line... so don't spoil a great reputation by lowering yourselves to the level of the general tossers who play the game.

 

[Xtreme_Skills]

Yes, I don't understand how it even matters.

Are you mainly on about running wide on the last corner? Because it doesn't look like much of an advantage :/

 

[Rudi Raser]

Need your bag.

Thanks.

 

[Xtreme_Skills]

Just to reiterate what's already been said....

The point is that all the fastest drivers on here (and all the other recognised top GT sites) would rather have the fastest clean time than have to run dirty to get the fasest time overall... and they would get far more respect for that.

I agree. I don't know who started running wide but whoever did - it's their fault. If I was the 1st to run the track, I wouldn't cut it, but if I had to - to beat #1, I would, and I bet the majority of others would too.

 

[Small_Fryz]

Yes, I don't understand how it even matters.

Are you mainly on about running wide on the last corner? Because it doesn't look like much of an advantage :/

Advantage or not it's a dirty lap.


Edit.

None of the respected fast GT players in the known community would would run dirty to get a #1 time. Your making assumptions with no proof to backup your opinion.

 

[Stotty]

I agree. I don't know who started running wide but whoever did - it's their fault. If I was the 1st to run the track, I wouldn't cut it, but if I had to - to beat #1, I would, and I bet the majority of others would too.

With respect, I'm afraid your assumption is wrong.

Spend more time here and you'll know that no GTP tagged driver (or a tagged driver from any of the recognised GT sites) would run a deliberately dirty lap to get the top time.

 

[DustDriver]

"it's their fault"

It's actually not their fault for anyone else copying the same action. You can still chose to do the best you can, while still having a clean lap.

Most racers I know won't revert to cutting, just to get that top spot.
There's nothing to gain with claiming the top spot in that way, you can only lose respect.

 

[Xtreme_Skills]

Advantage or not it's a dirty lap.


Edit.

None of the respected fast GT players in the known community would would run dirty to get a #1 time. Your making assumptions with no proof to backup your opinion.

How about the guy who's #1 now/earlier anyway?

PERSONALLY, I DON'T AGREE WITH SETTING DIRTY LAPS, BUT IF SOMEONE DOES ONE TO GET FIRST, OTHERS ARE GOING TO AND THERE'S NO WAY OF STOPPING THEM UNLESS YOU INPUT A PENALTY SYSTEM THAT ACTUALLY WORKS.

The End?

 

[Sphinx]

I'm sure plenty of you, including me, would gladly run wide and/or cut the track to get #1 or improve your time if you had to.

Sorry, but you're wrong. However, There are times when this issue raises its ugly head, mostly just after a new release of the game when many new drivers arrive on the scene thinking that they can compete using this method, just like we have now. Another time would be GT Academy, whereby in order to qualify many respected clean drivers are forced to lower themselves because others are doing it to also qualify.

Feel free to carry on, it's up to you how you play the game, we can't stop you, but by doing so you won't gain any respect here or at any other established GT community if you do.

 

[Supra_Skills]

Look guy's I personally regret this happened cause the last thing we want is a bad rep. With that said, Team Skills does not need to cheat to win, it was proven in earlier tt's and will be proven in future ones. As for the rule about being able to use any part of the track that is tarmac and/or footpaths, that is bs in my opinion. Cutting the track is cutting the track. The section before the hard right into the tunnel is clearly not part of the actual intended track so everyone is a cheater. Unfortunately a couple guys took it a step further but to me it's all track cutting.

 

[Stotty]

There's nothing to gain with claiming the top spot in that way, you can only lose respect.

Precisely!

You may think you'll get recognised as being fast by being at the top of the rankings... but if that time is set by grass cutting then the opposite applies... people will just think you're a cheater and that's what you'll be known for.

 

[Xtreme_Skills]

Okay well thanks for you're opinions on what you think of people cutting the track, but personally if I saw someone cut it like people are on Deep Valley, I really wouldn't care. I'd just get on with it...

 

[Stotty]

Okay well thanks for you're opinions on what you think of people cutting the track, but personally if I saw someone cut it like people are on Deep Valley, I really wouldn't care. I'd just get on with it...

If that's your attitude I suggest you don't bother coming on here again.

 

[Sphinx]

As for the rule about being able to use any part of the track that is tarmac and/or footpaths, that is bs in my opinion. Cutting the track is cutting the track. The section before the hard right into the tunnel is clearly not part of the actual intended track so everyone is a cheater. Unfortunately a couple guys took it a step further but to me it's all track cutting.

It's a standard OLR rule in GT. That doesn't mean it's always applied, it depends on the race specifics supplied by the race organiser of any given event. In this case, there is no race organiser, therefore the standard rule applies. It's there to define a limit for all tracks so every driver knows the limit instead of having every GT community defining thier own limit for each individual track. To do so would cause mayhem. This has been accepted within the GT communities for the last decade.

 

[Synwraith]

Okay wow, this went a bit far for something so stupid. There aren't any prizes so I don't see the big deal!

Exactly. So why destroy the reputation of your team over something without a prize?

Look guy's I personally regret this happened cause the last thing we want is a bad rep. With that said, Team Skills does not need to cheat to win, it was proven in earlier tt's and will be proven in future ones.

What is really clear here is that you are very interested in your talented team being seen in the correct light and afforded the respect a top team deserves. You've already expressed regret at the actions of some of your drivers, and I suspect you are none too happy with some of the responses you may have read here tonight from another member of your team. It may be a good idea to have an internal chat about the direction you wish your team to take in the GT community?

The people who have responded to you in this thread are among the most highly-respected and talented members of the GT and GTP community. We have had more than enough cheaters to throw dirt at around here throughout the years, so they aren't the bandwagon type.

Please understand that the arrival of fresh, clean, talented competition has been incredibly exciting for us, so it's in our greatest interest to preserve that excitement and encourage your team to maintain what respect you have earned in a short time 👍

I hope you can see this is not an attack motivated by jealousy, quite the opposite in fact. If these guys didn't care, they'd just let you hang yourselves with statements like "I don't care about cheating, I just want to be #1". How can you truly compare yourself to another when the rules are not the same?

All the best
Maz

 

[Coxis]

I would never cut into the grass or resort to dirty tactics even if doing so meant getting the top spot. You seem to have a very strong opinion on it Xtreme, but clean racers will think the same way. They just won't do it even if it means losing the race.

 

[Xtreme_Skills]

Yeah I respect your opinion, and I'm not a dirty racer. All I stated was that if the top guys were cutting the track or running wide in this case, I would do it too to catch them. I wouldn't cut the track if I didn't have to.

It's seems although you guys think I was the first to do it, even though I haven't even ran it yet.

I'm not taking this any further as it's totally ridiculous + unnecessary. I'll run it and see where my mood takes me...

 

[Synwraith]

I'm not a dirty racer.

if the top guys were cutting the track or running wide in this case, I would do it too to catch them.

I am afraid that these two statements are contradictory.

It's seems although you guys think I was the first to do it, even though I haven't even ran it yet.

Nobody is suggesting you were the first to do it. It doesn't matter if you were the first, second or last to do it. The fact that #1 means more to you than dignity, integrity and sportsmanship...well that's just not consistent with the superb racing of Conman_Skills, Mau5_Skills and Supra_Skills, or the beautiful RX7 lap of Canary_Skills.

I'm not taking this any further as it's totally ridiculous + unnecessary. I'll run it and see where my mood takes me...

If it takes you on to the grass, you know what you can expect. And also what you cannot expect.

All the best
Maz

 

[Xtreme_Skills]

Yes, all the best.

I hope some people can see my point-of-view.

 

[arora]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Red you bugger

@ Extreme, indeed the concrete deal is a different mater, for years and years and 3 instalments of gt there has been debate about the 'sidewalks' Inter forum tt's and online races have been held with it allowed and disallowed in equal portions however what has never been allowed or accepted is grass cutting. It's very simple really and I cannot see why there has to be this debate, do you guys every watch real life racing?

And for the record I do not speak for anyone other then myself and I have to say unless there is some significant turn of events I give _ skills no marret, fast or not.

Of course you guys are free to do as you please with the game and I hope you all enjoy it to the fullest but it's hard for me to see why you need to come on gtp and talk a bunch of smack and boast yourselves up, even worse with cheating imo. The majority of gtp members frown upon you at this point.

 

[MJH]

Yes, all the best.

I hope some people can see my point-of-view.

I understand your point of view, your only concerned about winning, at all cost, even if it does involve cheating.

Now understand our point of view. We have no respect for teams and individuals that are only concerned about winning, at all cost, even if it does involve cheating.

Matt

 

[Supra_Skills]

Skills members please stop posting here. Nothing we say is going to help this situation. We should all know how forums are from forza. It's best if we just drop it. We know we are clean racers. We know we can reach the top without any track cutting. It's best to leave it alone, what's done is done.

 

[MJH]

We know we are clean racers. We know we can reach the top without any track cutting.

I'm not sure all your team mates would agree with you.

Matt

 

[arora]

Skills members please stop posting here. Nothing we say is going to help this situation.

It must be to hard to admit fault?

We should all know how forums are from forza. It's best if we just drop it.

And waite for fm4

We know we are clean racers. We know we can reach the top without any track cutting.

As the Deep Forrest tt shows

It's best to leave it alone, what's done is done.

Indeed

 

[Xtreme_Skills]

You guys have taken it way too far, find something better to do. I didn't know you'd get so anal about some grass cutting, your lawns must be pretty long :/

Imo I find GT5 pretty shoddy for a sim anyway at the moment, considering there is no feel for anything + the tuning is almost backwards, so yes I am waiting for Forza 4 + would happily leave GT for it if all its members are similar, although gladly they're not.

Thank you for supplying me with an evenings entertainment, feel free to fight over grass between yourselves.

@ arora - your sig is relevant.

Gd'ay.