Help me improve

[domasijus]

Hello, drivers. Playing GT Sport since its release but looks like Im loosing interest..
Over last 2 months Im stopped to progress and improve myself. Not about DR or SR, but my driving technique, increasing lap times, braking, cornering, hiting apexes and exits. Its my first racing simulator seriously Im into. I have G29 mounted on a Playseat Challange. No assits except ABS default. Looks like I reached maximum, but its not possible. Looking for tips, advices and everything what can help me do not leave it.
Adding youtube video around Nurburgring, Suzuka and Interlagos each track 3 laps with GT-R gr3 BOP ON, all assists off.

Any tips, advices, suggestions, recommendations are appreciate. Thank you all

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Replays to the rescue! Watch the top drivers on each track such as TRL lightning and try to emulate what they do. You can be certain that the way they go around the track is the most efficient way, then there are differences in style but that's something else.

 

[rono_thomas]

Laps followed by more laps, and then some more laps, spend as little time on the brakes as possible and the most time on the accelerator.

From your videos it looks like you spend a lot of time corner coasting.

 

[domasijus]

Replays to the rescue! Watch the top drivers on each track such as TRL lightning and try to emulate what they do. You can be certain that the way they go around the track is the most efficient way, then there are differences in style but that's something else.

I do this several times per week. Taking as much as possible from top drivers and trying to "recreate" myself.

Laps followed by more laps, and then some more laps, spend as little time on the brakes as possible and the most time on the accelerator.

From your videos it looks like you spend a lot of time corner coasting.

Thanks for your observation. If I try go through corner in some different line or technique it causes me understeer or oversteer...

 

[Woodybobs]

You're losing/gaining time in individual corners from lap to lap. Improve your consistency to string all those corners together in one lap and you'll easily gain a second or more at Nurb.

 

[ARTAsean]

You frequently are too aggressive on the throttle coming out of corners. You try to mitigate this by upshifting, which is the worst thing you can do, you're effectively dumping the clutch like drifters do. If you want to exit a turn in a higher gear, do it earlier while under very little throttle input.

This in part is the fault of GTS as the throttle mapping is non-linear, but still, you need to work on rolling the throttle from 50-100% instead of jumping on it.

 

[rono_thomas]

I do this several times per week. Taking as much as possible from top drivers and trying to "recreate" myself.

Thanks for your observation. If I try go through corner in some different line or technique it causes me understeer or oversteer...

But if you can find a half a tenth a corner nurb GP with 15 corners would lead to close to a 1 second laptime improvement, or maybe you can find it in the braking, or again getting to power, what I mean to say is that with thousands of laps of practice there will be some improvement with potential of big gains.

 

[domasijus]

You're losing/gaining time in individual corners from lap to lap. Improve your consistency to string all those corners together in one lap and you'll easily gain a second or more at Nurb.

Im trying to be consistent for a while. Practicing every day, but no progress yet.

You frequently are too aggressive on the throttle coming out of corners. You try to mitigate this by upshifting, which is the worst thing you can do, you're effectively dumping the clutch like drifters do. If you want to exit a turn in a higher gear, do it earlier while under very little throttle input.

This in part is the fault of GTS as the throttle mapping is non-linear, but still, you need to work on rolling the throttle from 50-100% instead of jumping on it.

Thank you. I thougt I need to pay way way more attention with throttle input from 0-50%, but from 50-100% Now I just jump straight from 50 to 100. Will try to be more attentive on that.

But if you can find a half a tenth a corner nurb GP with 15 corners would lead to close to a 1 second laptime improvement, or maybe you can find it in the braking, or again getting to power, what I mean to say is that with thousands of laps of practice there will be some improvement with potential of big gains.

I know I know, practice makes perfect, thats what Im doing every day but last few months 0 progress so Im trying to find my biggest mistakes what causes understeer/oversteer and so on

 

[rono_thomas]

This may be of use 👍

https://drivingfast.net/racing-line/

 

[Shottah072]

Looking at the replays i think its mostly a matter of smoothing out and perfecting inputs and race line and understanding weight transfer and how that affects the car trough a corner.

Someone already mentioned your a little early to much on the throttle coming out of corners. But also try to trail brake a little more, i often see you release the brake a bit before the apex. Allot of corners ideally you want to trailbrake all the way to the apex at wich point you smoothly build up the throttle again. You should basically be on the brake or be on the throttle, when your coasting you usually loosing time and it upsets the car.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

My biggest takeaway is that your wheel inputs are too aggressive. I would practice decreasing the angle of wheel you're using through corners. It may feel counterintuitive but the car will turn for you if you're patient enough. Better wheel management will also help you be more aggressive with the throttle on exit since you don't need much effort to straigten back up.

Since you're on a G29, I would try out torque on 4 and 10 for sensitivity. It should give you a better feel.

 

[cleanLX]

Pace comes with consistency... consistency rarely comes from pace... and if it does, it's taken 10 times longer to do so.
It looks to me like you are trying to set a fast lap every time, but, your lines are so varied everywhere... there's just no base to build on. As far as practice, to build pace, it's a mess.
Until you can run 5+ laps taking the same lines, picking up the throttle/rolling down the brake the same place/way lap after lap... running within a tenth or so of yourself... there's really no point in trying to build pace.
Once you can run hard consistently, then you start experimenting with line/brake/throttle one corner at a time, watch your times and see what it nets you. If you mess up one corner, don't try and "make it up" on the rest of the lap, rather go back to your base pace, and see what it truly cost you, no sense practicing junk lines/braking/throttle for the remainder of the lap trying to make it up... that's more harmful than going back to your base/consistent pace.

 

[Jamie Bbbbb]

The key to consistency is knowing your limits. Knowing the fastest way you can take a turn with a 99% chance that you won't make a big mistake. This is essential for racing, and you should only be pushing your limits when you are specifically trying to do so, which should never be during a race.

 

[Nicktune]

-Save and watch the replays from your regional top 10 in daily race.
- Go to circuit experience and practice just one sector. Make sure you understand that sector correctly before moving to the next.Try to reach the top 10.

- There's no point in running a thousand laps if you have no idea what you're doing, so make sure you put the emphasis on learning instead of just running laps. Replays,licence test and circuit experience are good!

 

[cleanLX]

Oh...
2 more things...
It appears you already are familiar enough with the tracks to get rid of the cones, so, go ahead and take that step... it appears you often do not use them anyways, why have them on if you've already worked out your own data points, they typically get crushed in a race anyways, so, learn to pick out curbs(start/end), paint(on road, on wall, on fence), sand (start, end, color change), grass, change in grass color, brake markers (lots of these get destroyed in race too, so, stick to physical elements), shadows, rubber on the road... etc etc...
On top of all that, the cones are typically not ideally placed anyways, so, why limit yourself to their suggestions. They'll keep you from exploring new lines/points

And, the ghost car is a curse for setting consistency/pace.
It is an amazing tool for racing yourself, figuring out what different braking strategies will result in, how much a late apex you can get away with, where you can get a run... but, useless in setting consistency... or pace.

Cones and ghost... bye bye.

 

[twitcher]

I was once at a similar point with my driving. As others have said, the main thing you want to do is learn consistency. Can you do 5-10 laps within 1s of each other? How about 0.5s of each other. Now how about 1-3 tenths of a second? The key here is not to set 10 laps within 3/10s while you are on the absolute limit - that’s Alonso territory. The point is to learn to set a consistent base, so when you make methodical changes to either your approach to a certain corner, or to your car setup, you can see the measurable effects of the change. If you’re constantly on your limit, but lapping 2-3 seconds different each lap, you have no way to measure the changes you make, all you can do is “feel” them, which usually leads you down dead end roads.


Once you get the consistency down, have a look at this series of videos. They’re created by a GTP member (whoever you are, I tried to find your thread in the pcars forum but couldn’t, and I don’t remember your GTP user name), and they’re the best explanation of technique for all parts of the corner I’ve come across. Some of the tips are very very basic, but others are much more advanced. Before this series of videos, I felt like I was guessing my way through both finding more time, and tuning. Now, I feel like I have a system I can work through, and it’s defintely yielded results.

The intro


And the rest of the playlist
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8vLMSxw70-zJCq0cy1_lCpgomHWd0w5i

The first several videos don’t have narration, they just have sub titles, so you have to read them. Either way though, it’s fantastic info.



On this same channel, there is another playlist all about setup. It’s made in pcars, so has much more detail, but the general info about the settings which are also available in GTS carries over.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8vLMSxw70-yuJO3dUuwlaV423MOhPUiN



Additionally, he has videos about racecraft, covering race starts, inside moves, outside moves, and defensive techniques.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8vLMSxw70-xZoI7Anwe4l_vWBax2N3Iw



And lastly, my favorited video, the one that really tied everything together for me and allowed me to take a quite large step with both my pace and my setup abilities.



It’s a lot of info to go through, and personally I had to watch the videos multiple times to fully understand, sometimes watching, then playing the game, then rewatching, and going “ahh haaa!”

 

[domasijus]

Im blessed of you all! Thanks to everyone who is willing to help ! Giving me a big motivation a step up forward ! Collecting all information and gonna keep practicing to build consitsency and increase pace.

Looking at the replays i think its mostly a matter of smoothing out and perfecting inputs and race line and understanding weight transfer and how that affects the car trough a corner.

Someone already mentioned your a little early to much on the throttle coming out of corners. But also try to trail brake a little more, i often see you release the brake a bit before the apex. Allot of corners ideally you want to trailbrake all the way to the apex at wich point you smoothly build up the throttle again. You should basically be on the brake or be on the throttle, when your coasting you usually loosing time and it upsets the car.

Weight transfer. This is what I need to get into more deeper.

My biggest takeaway is that your wheel inputs are too aggressive. I would practice decreasing the angle of wheel you're using through corners. It may feel counterintuitive but the car will turn for you if you're patient enough. Better wheel management will also help you be more aggressive with the throttle on exit since you don't need much effort to straigten back up.

Since you're on a G29, I would try out torque on 4 and 10 for sensitivity. It should give you a better feel.

Im reading this forum so I saw 7/4/10 are optimal settings for G29 but thanks for observation about wheel inputs.

- There's no point in running a thousand laps if you have no idea what you're doing, so make sure you put the emphasis on learning instead of just running laps. Replays,licence test and circuit experience are good!

Very clever words. You have to know what you are doing. And now I have that feeling inside if I wanna progress I must change some things. I need to change it to right side

Oh...
2 more things...
It appears you already are familiar enough with the tracks to get rid of the cones, so, go ahead and take that step... it appears you often do not use them anyways, why have them on if you've already worked out your own data points, they typically get crushed in a race anyways, so, learn to pick out curbs(start/end), paint(on road, on wall, on fence), sand (start, end, color change), grass, change in grass color, brake markers (lots of these get destroyed in race too, so, stick to physical elements), shadows, rubber on the road... etc etc...
On top of all that, the cones are typically not ideally placed anyways, so, why limit yourself to their suggestions. They'll keep you from exploring new lines/points

And, the ghost car is a curse for setting consistency/pace.
It is an amazing tool for racing yourself, figuring out what different braking strategies will result in, how much a late apex you can get away with, where you can get a run... but, useless in setting consistency... or pace.

Cones and ghost... bye bye.

Around some tracks I have problems with braking without cones but will say goodbye to be more "flexible" in corners.

I was once at a similar point with my driving. As others have said, the main thing you want to do is learn consistency. Can you do 5-10 laps within 1s of each other? How about 0.5s of each other. Now how about 1-3 tenths of a second? The key here is not to set 10 laps within 3/10s while you are on the absolute limit - that’s Alonso territory. The point is to learn to set a consistent base, so when you make methodical changes to either your approach to a certain corner, or to your car setup, you can see the measurable effects of the change. If you’re constantly on your limit, but lapping 2-3 seconds different each lap, you have no way to measure the changes you make, all you can do is “feel” them, which usually leads you down dead end roads.


Once you get the consistency down, have a look at this series of videos. They’re created by a GTP member (whoever you are, I tried to find your thread in the pcars forum but couldn’t, and I don’t remember your GTP user name), and they’re the best explanation of technique for all parts of the corner I’ve come across. Some of the tips are very very basic, but others are much more advanced. Before this series of videos, I felt like I was guessing my way through both finding more time, and tuning. Now, I feel like I have a system I can work through, and it’s defintely yielded results.

The intro


And the rest of the playlist
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8vLMSxw70-zJCq0cy1_lCpgomHWd0w5i

The first several videos don’t have narration, they just have sub titles, so you have to read them. Either way though, it’s fantastic info.



On this same channel, there is another playlist all about setup. It’s made in pcars, so has much more detail, but the general info about the settings which are also available in GTS carries over.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8vLMSxw70-yuJO3dUuwlaV423MOhPUiN



Additionally, he has videos about racecraft, covering race starts, inside moves, outside moves, and defensive techniques.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8vLMSxw70-xZoI7Anwe4l_vWBax2N3Iw



And lastly, my favorited video, the one that really tied everything together for me and allowed me to take a quite large step with both my pace and my setup abilities.



It’s a lot of info to go through, and personally I had to watch the videos multiple times to fully understand, sometimes watching, then playing the game, then rewatching, and going “ahh haaa!”

Saved all links and when I have a spare time will check all in one time to remember. Thanks

 

[rtoale]

Hello, drivers. Playing GT Sport since its release but looks like Im loosing interest..
Over last 2 months Im stopped to progress and improve myself. Not about DR or SR, but my driving technique, increasing lap times, braking, cornering, hiting apexes and exits. Its my first racing simulator seriously Im into. I have G29 mounted on a Playseat Challange. No assits except ABS default. Looks like I reached maximum, but its not possible. Looking for tips, advices and everything what can help me do not leave it.
Adding youtube video around Nurburgring, Suzuka and Interlagos each track 3 laps with GT-R gr3 BOP ON, all assists off.

Any tips, advices, suggestions, recommendations are appreciate. Thank you all

I am no expert but the first thing I noticed on the Nurburgring was that you miss a lot of the apex’s. I have improved a lot by braking later and harder with the G29 and then lifting out of the pedal so I don’t lock up. Brake balance is a biggie too, try running through the bias and see what suits your driving style.

 

[domasijus]

I am no expert but the first thing I noticed on the Nurburgring was that you miss a lot of the apex’s. I have improved a lot by braking later and harder with the G29 and then lifting out of the pedal so I don’t lock up. Brake balance is a biggie too, try running through the bias and see what suits your driving style.

Changing bias often. Depends on track and car but its not that easy to find optimal choice. Sometimes looks like its beeter to -2 or -3, next time I go +2, +3 or simply 0. Seems like Im still hunting my persoal driving style, corner line and technique to correctly hit apex because Im not enought consistant yet. Releasing brakes is one of the hardest thing I need hardly to improve. Maybe today in the evening or tomorrow Im gonna upload more laps, but more consistant and cleaner driving than thoose.

 

[klondike]

I am kinda in the same boat as you are.

I enjoy sims a lot but, just not really good at it.

What I am trying to do with somewhat good results are...

I use some slower cars, and just focus on one track.

Take it a bit slow dont go 100 %.

First focus on learning the tracks optimal line. focus on using as much track as posibel.

Going slower but consentrating on, brake point, turn in point, hit apex, accelerate out using as much track as posibel.

Then when I have a good base and can get consitsency lap after lap, I try to learn some alternative lines that can be used in traffic.

And can start to increase the speed, or try other more faster cars.

Also here is another very good video thats not already mentioned.



Also If you or anyone else are interested we can practise together in a lobby. Just to share tips and information. I am not really interested in racing for the moment just want to practise, learning and have fun while doing it :-)

 

[rtoale]

Changing bias often. Depends on track and car but its not that easy to find optimal choice. Sometimes looks like its beeter to -2 or -3, next time I go +2, +3 or simply 0. Seems like Im still hunting my persoal driving style, corner line and technique to correctly hit apex because Im not enought consistant yet. Releasing brakes is one of the hardest thing I need hardly to improve. Maybe today in the evening or tomorrow Im gonna upload more laps, but more consistant and cleaner driving than thoose.

I feel like you too. I opened a thread here a few weeks ago and got some good tips from Cipher. Watch a few of his/her vids. The really fast people have this ability to just turn as little as possible and spend most of their time straight and on throttle. I think I am destined to be a B driver.

 

[domasijus]

I am kinda in the same boat as you are.

I enjoy sims a lot but, just not really good at it.

What I am trying to do with somewhat good results are...

I use some slower cars, and just focus on one track.

Take it a bit slow dont go 100 %.

First focus on learning the tracks optimal line. focus on using as much track as posibel.

Going slower but consentrating on, brake point, turn in point, hit apex, accelerate out using as much track as posibel.

Then when I have a good base and can get consitsency lap after lap, I try to learn some alternative lines that can be used in traffic.

And can start to increase the speed, or try other more faster cars.

Also here is another very good video thats not already mentioned.



Also If you or anyone else are interested we can practise together in a lobby. Just to share tips and information. I am not really interested in racing for the moment just want to practise, learning and have fun while doing it :-)

Thanks for information its really useful in deed. And yes we can practice together, why not, just send me your nickname

I feel like you too. I opened a thread here a few weeks ago and got some good tips from Cipher. Watch a few of his/her vids. The really fast people have this ability to just turn as little as possible and spend most of their time straight and on throttle. I think I am destined to be a B driver.

Im between B and C Could you send me a link please that thread to re-read everything one more time.

 

[John G]

Where do you look when driving? Try looking beyond the apex too the furthest point you can see. Your brain will work out your speeds and lines how to get there in a single smooth arc

 

[CaptainAlan8]

I think you might be able to find a lot of time by just slowing down and focusing on getting your lines right.

The line coming out of the corner is much more important than the line you take into the corner. There are many times where you miss the apex or hit the apex with too much speed and then it just ruins your exit. It means you can’t carry as much speed through the corner or apply full throttle until much later and lose time all down the next straight.

Once your lines are right you can then start pushing it. But I think you’ll be surprised how quick you can go by just pushing 50% and carrying more speed with smooth lines.

In the long run it will be better to slow your times down now and have something solid to build on. Rather than just randomly attacking each corner and not really knowing where to focus on improving.

 

[domasijus]

Where do you look when driving? Try looking beyond the apex too the furthest point you can see. Your brain will work out your speeds and lines how to get there in a single smooth arc

Looking exactly there. Even when Im driving in town with my daily car in real life I always imagine corner apexes and potential driving line if it were a racing circuit. I just imagine dont do anything crazy Always have it in mind. Looks like theoretically I know correct driving line, but practical I cant complete in game.

I think you might be able to find a lot of time by just slowing down and focusing on getting your lines right.

The line coming out of the corner is much more important than the line you take into the corner. There are many times where you miss the apex or hit the apex with too much speed and then it just ruins your exit. It means you can’t carry as much speed through the corner or apply full throttle until much later and lose time all down the next straight.

Once your lines are right you can then start pushing it. But I think you’ll be surprised how quick you can go by just pushing 50% and carrying more speed with smooth lines.

In the long run it will be better to slow your times down now and have something solid to build on. Rather than just randomly attacking each corner and not really knowing where to focus on improving.

I know my exits are poor but looking forward to improove it. Sometimes I play against AI to relax so there I slow down and trying to reach 99% correct driving line.

 

[fastone371]

I have not seen anyone suggest changing your ABS from default to weak. Changing my ABS to weak helped me tremendously. Give it a few hours to get used to it but I think you will like that better too.

 

[domasijus]

I have not seen anyone suggest changing your ABS from default to weak. Changing my ABS to weak helped me tremendously. Give it a few hours to get used to it but I think you will like that better too.

I just tried OFF few laps. Absolutelly dissaster. Maybe I will give a chance for a WEAK, but its completely different braking than OFF. Im not sure can handle it :|

 

[Shottah072]

Weight transfer. This is what I need to get into more deeper.

Yes you definitely should if you havent before, its a crucial part of driving the car and keeping it balanced trough the corner. This guy explains it very well.

 

[domasijus]

Yes you definitely should if you havent before, its a crucial part of driving the car and keeping it balanced trough the corner. This guy explains it very well.

Im interested! Thank you, gonna check it soon

 

[Ryan Sandall]

Things that help me with mine which may help you
Let’s say that the amount of energy you put through the car is like 100%

For example to accelerate 100% throttle you cannot be steering as this would cause a loss of grip
To steer you have to remove throttle input to allow for steering
So if I want to steer 10% I can only put 90% throttle
Same with braking if you steer while braking you cannot use the full brake force right, that sort of mentality helps me with how I decide to drive the cars and how I approach everything

Anyways let me dicect the corner

So on entry you want to be braking as hard as you can, but to do so affectively you have to smoothly apply it even if your only progressing the brake a for a split second this allows the weight transfer of the car the energy of the brakes and the tyres to grip
I often find braking at 90% is better than a 100% cos you have more feel and the car isn’t relying on the abs as much
Once steering is added you have to ease off the brake use the brake to pull you right towards the apex of the corner

Once you have slowed acceleration must be a constant progression
So once you’ve got on it try not to take it off, this ruins momentum and adds unnecessary weight transfer to a much simpler task
To aid traction open the steering as you apply more power


There is lots of things to teach I’m just not very good at explaining aha But I tried