Here is a little perspective for people who are satisfied with event content on release.

[Rudenut]

Gran Turismo 4 Race List

granturismo.neoseeker.com

Explore this page for a bit and it should become apparent just how little content is available right now. Look at the payouts for these events as well and consider the price of the vehicles at the time. Also consider that you could run capri over and over and sell the Toyota RSC rally car for like 250k....2 lap race per.

This should have been the standard.

 

[DeolTheBeast]

Could not agree more, we cannot be satisfied with Kaz aiming for this 'the game will develop over time' vibe.

Sport mode can constantly evolve, change etc. Online modes updating is the norm.

Single player being delivered in its current streamlined format however is just not OK.

 

[djdest]

Just because a game in the past had a certain content, it doesn’t mean all that follow should be the same

 

[Rudenut]

Just because a game in the past had a certain content, it doesn’t mean all that follow should be the same

GT7 costs twice as much as GT4 and has 1/3 the content..or less. Some people are delusional simps for PD.

 

[Magog]

Fairly certain you didn't have the custom race options you do now. You literally have an unlimited amount of races you can do in GT 7. Choosing not to use that option is on you.

 

[dhandeh]

Fairly certain you didn't have the custom race options you do now. You literally have an unlimited amount of races you can do in GT 7. Choosing not to use that option is on you.

Which have minimal payouts, which limits your choice of car until you have grinded enough to get something more to your choosing. It doesn't matter how many events you can create yourself if the economy is screwed.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Fairly certain you didn't have the custom race options you do now. You literally have an unlimited amount of races you can do in GT 7. Choosing not to use that option is on you.

60k/hr max for anything other than Gr.1-4/B races. Compare this to Fishermans Ranch which is still around 800k/hr.

 

[Rudenut]

60k/hr max for anything other than Gr.1-4/B races. Compare this to Fishermans Ranch which is still around 800k/hr.

You could sell a 250k car that you win repeatedly after a 2 lap race....

 

[AutumnalGlow]

You could sell a 250k car that you win repeatedly after a 2 lap race....

Not in GT7.

My response was to custom races being an answer to everything, when they still pay significantly less than they should.

 

[Magog]

60k/hr max for anything other than Gr.1-4/B races. Compare this to Fishermans Ranch which is still around 800k/hr.

I care more about fun and thrills per hour. I already have almost 100 cars I haven't put a mile on yet.

 

[pedrocor]

There is no question about the lack of content.

The problem isn't the amount of money you can grind at current events, is the lack of upper scale events that should earn you "real credits"

There is no events requiring Licences above Licence A, at the moment, that says all

 

[MonoTonouS]

Why do people keep conflaiting content with economy ?
Sans the tracks and cars , you can recreat litteraly every race using custom race. GT4's event list has padding too, alot of races are x3 because they have a North american , Europe and Japan version .
Some one did the math on here and GT4 was slightly better than GTS and 7 in terms of pay outs. The only games that truly paid well were GT6/5 when they had an online connection. The pay out nerf actualy made gt7 the 3rd worse paying GT , When it was currently the 4th out of al the games Behind 2 4 and sport. Above 5 ,6 1 and 3

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Sans the tracks and cars , you can recreat litteraly every race using custom race.

And for a whole stack of pennies to show for it.

 

[BrunUK]

Curated events and championships are things to be accomplished, with trophies to mark achievements.

Custom races on the other hand have zero persistence. They're completely incomparable.

 

[mwoodski]

GT7 costs twice as much as GT4 and has 1/3 the content..or less. Some people are delusional simps for PD.

er, what?

GT7 is US$10 more than GT4 was at launch.

A US$60 game in 2004 is equal to US$90 in 2022.

 

[MonoTonouS]

And for a whole stack of pennies to show for it.

Lack of payments =/= Lack of events. If Gt4 had garbage payouts does it also have a lack of content? You keep conflating a bad economy to lack of content. A game that gives you the tools to make your own content has more content than a game with fixed content . I also find it funny you guys count the same event transplanted on different tracks as unique events. It's one even with variations.

 

[AutumnalGlow]

Lack of payments =/= Lack of events. If Gt4 had garbage payouts does it also have a lack of content? You keep conflating a bad economy to lack of content. A game that gives you the tools to make your own content has more content than a game with fixed content . I also find it funny you guys count the same event transplanted on different tracks as unique events. It's one even with variations.

There's a lack of events that pay decently, and the only way we get variety is if we sacrifice any sustainable amount of money for it. If you don't see a problem in this, I can't help you.

 

[Rudenut]

Why do people keep conflaiting content with economy ?
Sans the tracks and cars , you can recreat litteraly every race using custom race. GT4's event list has padding too, alot of races are x3 because they have a North american , Europe and Japan version .
Some one did the math on here and GT4 was slightly better than GTS and 7 in terms of pay outs. The only games that truly paid well were GT6/5 when they had an online connection. The pay out nerf actualy made gt7 the 3rd worse paying GT , When it was currently the 4th out of al the games Behind 2 4 and sport. Above 5 ,6 1 and 3

GT4 you could sell prize cars you win repeatedly. 250k for a 2 lap race. Payout was not how we made money.

 

[Rudenut]

Lack of payments =/= Lack of events. If Gt4 had garbage payouts does it also have a lack of content? You keep conflating a bad economy to lack of content. A game that gives you the tools to make your own content has more content than a game with fixed content . I also find it funny you guys count the same event transplanted on different tracks as unique events. It's one even with variations.

See my above reply to the other guy. Payouts were lowish for some races...but 2 laps of capri got you a Toyota RSC rally that sold for 250k.

 

[Rudenut]

er, what?

GT7 is US$10 more than GT4 was at launch.

A US$60 game in 2004 is equal to US$90 in 2022.

Gran Turismo 4 was 49.99, I payed 90. So nearly twice as much.

Gran Turismo 4 now has a North American release date

Gran Turismo 4 now has a North American release date

toynewsi.com

 

[LSFDRX]

I must be in the minority here, because I KNEW that this was the plan from the outset, and that 7 would grow over time into more and more. Almost everyone here saw this with Sport, which released to much disappointment and a non-existent single player mode, and flourished into the game we know today, which I personally love, and has a HUGE amount of content that wasn't there at launch. For GT7, there will be future updates that include more of everything we have now, and that makes me excited for the future of the game, not upset that people who play it ten+ hours a day are running out of things to do.

The upset is certainly warranted when it comes to the economy, server downtime, microtransactions, and the reigning in of money earning races. These are things that will hopefully find some resolve, and I'm confident that things will get better soon.

I am overall satisfied with the game, and some of that falls on the fact that I'm busy enough to not be able to hammer out full days of play (I'm only on book 14), but the amount of things to do in this game is still a lot, the positive aspects (the majority of what it is) of it are still amazing, and there will be more for those of us who believe in the franchise.

 

[KJF]

Why do people keep conflaiting content with economy ?
Sans the tracks and cars , you can recreat litteraly every race using custom race. GT4's event list has padding too, alot of races are x3 because they have a North american , Europe and Japan version .
Some one did the math on here and GT4 was slightly better than GTS and 7 in terms of pay outs. The only games that truly paid well were GT6/5 when they had an online connection. The pay out nerf actualy made gt7 the 3rd worse paying GT , When it was currently the 4th out of al the games Behind 2 4 and sport. Above 5 ,6 1 and 3

Probably because it is the economy that gates the content.

 

[MonoTonouS]

See my above reply to the other guy. Payouts were lowish for some races...but 2 laps of capri got you a Toyota RSC rally that sold for 250k.

And 3 min's at the ranch got you like 90 grand , that Capri race was like 8 mins long

 

[LSFDRX]

Gran Turismo 4 was 49.99, I payed 90. So nearly twice as much.

Gran Turismo 4 now has a North American release date

Gran Turismo 4 now has a North American release date

toynewsi.com

You payed $90, which is not the base price of the game, so not fair comparison at all, and you've bought into the microtransactions already (+1.5 million credits) which absolutely cannot count towards the price that everyone paid for the game. The standard price for GT7 is $69.99 for PS5, and GT4 was $49.95. Adjusted for inflation, GT4 would cost $74.34, so your argument does not stand, and in fact, GT7 is cheaper than GT4 was.

 

[Rudenut]

I must be in the minority here, because I KNEW that this was the plan from the outset, and that 7 would grow over time into more and more. Almost everyone here saw this with Sport, which released to much disappointment and a non-existent single player mode, and flourished into the game we know today, which I personally love, and has a HUGE amount of content that wasn't there at launch. For GT7, there will be future updates that include more of everything we have now, and that makes me excited for the future of the game, not upset that people who play it ten+ hours a day are running out of things to do.

The upset is certainly warranted when it comes to the economy, server downtime, microtransactions, and the reigning in of money earning races. These are things that will hopefully find some resolve, and I'm confident that things will get better soon.

I am overall satisfied with the game, and some of that falls on the fact that I'm busy enough to not be able to hammer out full days of play (I'm only on book 14), but the amount of things to do in this game is still a lot, the positive aspects (the majority of what it is) of it are still amazing, and there will be more for those of us who believe in the franchise.

And here is a perfect example of Stockholm Syndrome. Drip feed of events should not have been necessary. The game should have released with at least the same amount of events as Sport had at the end. I get drip feeding cars and tracks...they actually take time to model/secure licenses and such. Events, with satisfying payouts, should be included. I get that I can make my own events..they should payout at least what GTS maker did. I enjoy the themed events and series that PD come up with though. Asking me to come up with new events to run is like asking me to work as a cashier while checking out my groceries.

 

[Rudenut]

You payed $90, which is not the base price of the game, so not fair comparison at all, and you've bought into the microtransactions already (+1.5 million credits) which absolutely cannot count towards the price that everyone paid for the game. The standard price for GT7 is $69.99 for PS5, and GT4 was $49.95. Adjusted for inflation, GT4 would cost $74.34, so your argument does not stand, and in fact, GT7 is cheaper than GT4 was.

And yet, the other half of my argument does. I concede the point about the cost of the game. There are not enough events in the game. No, I don't want to do PD's job and make my own events...especially since my time will not be rewarded with a decently efficient payout.

 

[LSFDRX]

And here is a perfect example of Stockholm Syndrome. Drip feed of events should not have been necessary. The game should have released with at least the same amount of events as Sport had at the end. I get drip feeding cars and tracks...they actually take time to model/secure licenses and such. Events, with satisfying payouts, should be included. I get that I can make my own events..they should payout at least what GTS maker did. I enjoy the themed events and series that PD come up with though. Asking me to come up with new events to run is like asking me to work as a cashier while checking out my groceries.

Wow, you're so emotional about this. Stockholm syndrome? To expect the same things we have seen have happen before? To like a title for the things it does well and that most of us enjoy? So does that give you amnesia because you don't remember how the last few titles rolled out? Or how most major games now follow the same pattern of augmentation, which is a benefit to some of us to watch a game grow instead of just be what it is?

Like I said, there are things to be upset about, but the game growing over time isn't one of them, and NOBODY is being "held captive" by GT7, we can all do what we want. You're about as far off with this view as you are on the cost of the game which I refuted as well.

 

[Gt79]

Could not agree more, we cannot be satisfied with Kaz aiming for this 'the game will develop over time' vibe.

Sport mode can constantly evolve, change etc. Online modes updating is the norm.

Single player being delivered in its current streamlined format however is just not OK.

He knows game is too short, that's why he wants to keep everyone on a leash so they stay as long as possible for future content or when game is finally complete, we basically playing early access, demo beta whatever you want to call it, hence everything tied up to either invest time in grinding or pay up, he knows no one in his sane mind can grind for longer than 1-2 months in a game with limited content as this, so eventually some people who want expensive cars will give in to mtx and that minority will be enough to cover backlash, rage or whatever, they went from a game straight to businesses aka EA, Ubisoft style

 

[Rudenut]

Wow, you're so emotional about this. Stockholm syndrome? To expect the same things we have seen have happen before? To like a title for the things it does well and that most of us enjoy? So does that give you amnesia because you don't remember how the last few titles rolled out? Or how most major games now follow the same pattern of augmentation, which is a benefit to some of us to watch a game grow instead of just be what it is?

Like I said, there are things to be upset about, but the game growing over time isn't one of them, and NOBODY is being "held captive" by GT7, we can all do what we want. You're about as far off with this view as you are on the cost of the game which I refuted as well.

No, I am saying they never should have rolled out like that either. I am saying that withholding content to artificially extend the life of the game and give the impression that continued work is fervently being pursued is ********. I am saying that gamers have been brainwashed by the industry for years. I totally get the release of content over time. In this case though, and in many other cases, the release should have been at least what the previous game ended up with. I mean, much of the game is a copy paste of GTS anyway. How hard would it have been to copy paste the available events.

 

[RacingManiac]

GT4 probably had more time to develop considering how many times it was delayed....lol

Finishing a game now post release is just the SOP now, despite people having to pay full price to get it anyway...