Hi from a noob and a plea for help!

[Dellage]

Hi everyone,

Probably like a lot of people, I've browsed this forum a lot but never signed up.

I literally got my PS3 for GT5 and have just recently acquired a G25, so am now pretty much in racing game heaven in my front room. Just a shame the wheel won't also work with the 360 so I can enjoy Forza with it too, but hey ho.

I'm sure now I've signed up I'll probably spend more time here and get to know you all.

Anyway, hello's out of the way, it's time for my problem and I wonder if anyone has the answer.

It's been bugging me pretty much from the start of GT5 ownership for me and is sound related.

I've tried searching here and google, but the few threads I've found with the same problem generally get dismissed as a set up or audio hardware issue, which I am sure is not the case in my situation.

So, here is the explanation and some pictures of my settings screens.

The problem occurs with the combination of mid engined cars, any interior or bumper cam view and the 5.1 surround sound set up.

What happens is, on the start line I can hear the engine in an MR car fine. Then as you pick up speed it quickly drops off to completely silent. All the other game audio comes through fine, I can hear the tyre noises, other car's engine sounds etc, but not my own engine.

When I slow to a crawl I can hear it again.

I've tried playing with all the settings on the XMB and the GT5 menus but the only way I can hear my MR car's engines using an interior/bumper cam view is to switch the sound to 2 Channel Stereo, which is a shame as I have a perfectly good 5.1 system I'd like to enjoy the game with.

The surround works perfectly with all other games, Blurays, DVD's etc, it's literally just GT5 that has this problem.

My hunch is that the game is mixing the sound wrong somehow and it should be sending the audio for an MR car's engine to my rear speakers, but somehow it isn't doing that. Almost like it thinks my system is 7.1 (before you ask, no, it's not detecting it as 7.1 or selecting 7.1 in the options screen ).

Here's the physical set up details and the pictures of the various screens (apologies for the quality, taken on my phone with a wobbly hand!):

5.1 Sony Surround Sound DAV-DZ260
PS3 connected to above via digital optical lead
PS3 connected to Sony 40" HD TV via HDMI

XMB Settings:

GT5 Settings:

That's all the info I think is relevant, but if you need anything else please let me know.

Here's hoping one of you can resolve this issues as it does spoil what is otherwise a great game for me

Thanks all.

Del

 

[JCoop]

Just thinking...try disabling race SFX and replay BGM, and if receiver is HDMI capable, channel it through that instead of direct to TV?

 

[knukken]

The optical digital can´t be more than 5.1. It doesn´t support 7.1 from what I´ve heard. I have to check this later to figure out if it´s the same here. I have never done anything with the sound options.

 

[phil_75]

Put on "living room" instead of "small theatre"

 

[snowxdadx3]

maybe here?:

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=24&prefixid=ps3

 

[Ferrari_1996]

I have the exact same 5.1 Surround Sound System in the Living Room and a 40" Sony Bravia TV aswell!! Naughty boy, Copying My Set-up

 

[CrackedTrigger]

What type/make surround sound system do you have??, I had this problem too with wireless rear speakers....

 

[Dellage]

Thanks for all the replies so far guys

Just thinking...try disabling race SFX and replay BGM, and if receiver is HDMI capable, channel it through that instead of direct to TV?

If I disable race sound effects and replay BGM, how would that help? I'd lose more sound from races and the problem isn't with replays? Or am I missing something?

Also, the surround sound isn't hdmi compatible I'm afraid, so running the audio to it via optical is the best option I have.

Put on "living room" instead of "small theatre"

I've tried changing this to all settings, no change. I must have left it on small theatre after the last time I was experimenting trying to fix it.

The optical digital can´t be more than 5.1. It doesn´t support 7.1 from what I´ve heard. I have to check this later to figure out if it´s the same here. I have never done anything with the sound options.

That's good to know. Although could the game still be thinking in 7.1 then sending a 5.1 with the additional 2 speakers removed due to a bug?

I have the exact same 5.1 Surround Sound System in the Living Room and a 40" Sony Bravia TV aswell!! Naughty boy, Copying My Set-up

Damn, you know my secret. I've been stalking you for ages. Nice pants you're wearing today by the way, but I prefer the superman ones...

On a more serious note, seeing as you have the exact same setup, do you have this issue at all? If not, what are your settings etc? Could be something simple I've missed maybe.

Quick Edit: CrackedTrigger, the make/model is listed in the first post, rear speakers are wired. Interesting that you have the same issue too. Hopefully with this thread we can both find an answer

 

[CrackedTrigger]

Quick Edit: CrackedTrigger, the make/model is listed in the first post, rear speakers are wired. Interesting that you have the same issue too. Hopefully with this thread we can both find an answer

My system is a Sony DAVDZ680W.CEK 5.1 ch 850W, Maybe this has something to do with the Dav systems? Its not there all the time, its only MR's too, comes and goes, first noticed it when I was doing the IC10 licence.

 

[oze]

That's good to know. Although could the game still be thinking in 7.1 then sending a 5.1 with the additional 2 speakers removed due to a bug?

This is the most obvious reason. Your receiver doesn't support audio through HDMI?

 

[Dellage]

My system is a Sony DAVDZ680W.CEK 5.1 ch 850W, Maybe this has something to do with the Dav systems? Its not there all the time, its only MR's too, comes and goes, first noticed it when I was doing the IC10 licence.

Same here, mine doesn't come and go though, all MR engine sounds are silent through 5.1. I'm guessing it's meant to fade the sound to the rear speakers as you speed up hence it gradually fading to silence, would be a cool effect if it worked!

This is the most obvious reason. Your receiver doesn't support audio through HDMI?

Also, the surround sound isn't hdmi compatible I'm afraid, so running the audio to it via optical is the best option I have.

 

[knukken]

I got 42" plasma
Pioneer HDMI receiver 5.1
Harman Kardon HKts7 or something like that. Awesome sound from those small speakers and subwoofer.
HDMI cable from PS3-receiver-TV

My bob is driving the X2010 now, and I can only hear the engine from behind the car.

 

[Ferrari_1996]

I don't remember having this problem. I've only played it once on the 5.1 Surround system. My PS3 is in my room now so i can't check. Seems like an odd problem.

 

[Dellage]

I don't remember having this problem. I've only played it once on the 5.1 Surround system. My PS3 is in my room now so i can't check. Seems like an odd problem.

It's very odd and equally annoying to be honest!

Do you think you might be able to set it up on your living room set up when convenient to see if it works on yours? Appreciate it's a bit of a pain but would be helpful to see if it's the same.

You may not have noticed it when you played before if you didn't use an MR car as all the other sound is fine, just the MR engine noise that fades to silent.

 

[hawkeye122]

I think its just how the game works? I think what you are hearing is the engine via the exhaust note, and when the wind picks up from going faster it drowns out the lovely sound. Switch to overhead cam and you should hear it fine

 

[Dellage]

Hawkeye, appreciate the theory but that's not how the game works. Other people don't have the issue and also if that was the way it was meant to be then switching to two channel stereo would not change whether I can hear the engine note or not.

It wouldn't be very realistic if they had coded the sound that way. Have you ever been in a Gallardo or any other mid engined super car? Trust me, you can definitely hear the engine note inside when driving fast!

The lack of engine sound makes it almost unplayable at times as you naturally change gear based on the engine note. It's a particular hindrance in the formula GT as it goes through the gears so fast.

It's definitely a problem, maybe just specific to the DAV Sony surround systems, who knows. But I really want to sort it.

 

[Lost-on-drugz]

audio multi output should be on man, i have to turn mine on when i hook up my surround sound

 

[Lion-Face]

I've tried changing this to all settings, no change. I must have left it on small theatre after the last time I was experimenting trying to fix it.

As phil_75 said, the settings in the GT5 Audio menu should be set to Living Room only for your setup. Also try turning the Race sound effects up to 100 and having the Speaker layout set to Auto. Otherwise theres nothing wrong with those settings at all. They are all where they should be.

 

[Dellage]

audio multi output should be on man, i have to turn mine on when i hook up my surround sound

Shouldn't have to be? That setting just means the PS3 is sending sound through all the connections it can (hdmi and optical for example), as long as you have the right output selected on the following screen should be fine.

However, given that I've tried everything else, I'll give it a shot as you never know!

As phil_75 said, the settings in the GT5 Audio menu should be set to Living Room only for your setup. Also try turning the Race sound effects up to 100 and having the Speaker layout set to Auto. Otherwise theres nothing wrong with those settings at all. They are all where they should be.

I've changed it back to living room now, as explained earlier I must have left it on small theatre when trying to fix the problem before. Changing it back had no effect.

Speaker layout being set to auto makes no difference either, this is how it was originally when I first had the problem. Tried every setting since and only 2 channel stereo allows me to hear the MR engine sounds while driving.

It's definitely not a volume issue, but as with the last suggestion I will try to adjust that setting as there is no harm in giving it a shot

 

[Dellage]

Ok, interesting additional fact to the problem that I've just noticed while trying out some of the suggestions above (adjust volume and putting back to auto hasn't fixed it btw, yet to try multiple output on).

Anyway, while testing an MR car with the 5.1 settings on, I stopped and just revved it in neutral. The sound of the engine only came out of my centre front speaker very quietly. This is the only speaker transmitting MR engine sounds and obviously as you drive off the sound fades from the front so it goes silent.

Out of curiosisty I then tried an FR car. Stopped in neutral, revved it and guess what? The sound actually comes out of ALL the speakers.

So it appears the issue is that GT5 is not sending MR engine sounds to any of the surround sound speakers other then very quietly to the centre speaker, which would explain the silence.

No idea why though and even stranger that most people don't have this issue.

Would uninstalling and then reinstalling the game be worth a shot?

 

[Tower Turn 13]

This may be a dumb contribution to this thread, however I am playing audio straight through my TV speakers and when the car is moving at all I can't hear the horn. I get that I'm in a race car but would a horn still be audible in real life? Maybe PD just didn't do a good job with simming sound between sitting at idle and moving. Or maybe the overdid it and drowned out certain sounds by wind or movement or whatever.

Don't know if the two are related issues but maybe? Are you able to hear your horn blowing while moving?

 

[Ferrari_1996]

I can't take my PS3 downstairs my parents won't let me. Sorry, i really want to help but i can't. Are u sure than optical out is selected in the ps3 settings and make sure 7.1 isn't ticked and make sure 5.1 is ticked. I really want to help but i can't, sorry!!! I'm playing on my TV in my bedroom and i have no problems with engine noise. BTW i did most license tests on the 5.1 surround sound system and i dont remember having any problems with hearing the engine.

 

[Dellage]

Tower, it may be related. Just tried an MR car in 5.1 and the horn was quiet when driving, could still hear it but it did seem to only be coming from the centre front again (although that is the logical place for it to come from). I compared with an FF car and the horn was louder, but then again it could've just been because it was a different car.

I can confirm some cars don't have a horn too.

Ferrari, no worries fella, don't want to get you in trouble with your folks, thanks anyway though

Seems we're no further forward in solving the mystery. Will continue to play in 2 channel stereo I guess unless anyone else has any ideas?

I may also try to uninstall and reinstall. Can anyone confirm how to do this without losing any updates that have been applied and, more importantly, my game save data!

 

[knukken]

I checked my sound settings on PS3 and GT5 today. In GT5 IT SAID 2.1. It´s now changed to 5.1, and it is a completely different game. My bob is driving my Gallardo now, and it´s engine sound from the rear speakers on all views except behind the car. I use HDMI only

 

[Dellage]

Glad yours is working Knukken still no joy with mine.

Guess I must just be unlucky as my psn account won't let me sign in either, I keep getting 'a server error has occurred' popping up on the screen instead of it letting me change my password.

All my mates are in fine, typical!

 

[odyss3y]

I've got 2 similar setups and both have the same problem. Using the hood cam (haven't tested with other cams) after you get going decently fast the engine audio stops coming out of the front speakers but the front speakers still work clearly for other noises. This is definitely a programming issue.

 

[esoxhntr]

might be a dumb suggestion but check the settings on the receiver itself. make sure, if it has any 'effects' settings (ie. concert hall, stadium, toilet, etc.), that the effects are turned off on the rec'vr.

gt5 sounds like ass on my rec'vr (older yamaha 5.1) when using its sound processing.

 

[knukken]

are you using HDMI?

 

[knukken]

Glad yours is working Knukken still no joy with mine.

Guess I must just be unlucky as my psn account won't let me sign in either, I keep getting 'a server error has occurred' popping up on the screen instead of it letting me change my password.

All my mates are in fine, typical!

I changed my password on my computer from here www.eu.gran-turismo.com
Maybe it works for you too

 

[Dellage]

I've got 2 similar setups and both have the same problem. Using the hood cam (haven't tested with other cams) after you get going decently fast the engine audio stops coming out of the front speakers but the front speakers still work clearly for other noises. This is definitely a programming issue.

Do you get engine audio from the rear speakers though? If so, I think that's what it's meant to do on MR cars ad the engine would be behind you. I get no engine sound at all at speed, but all other sounds are fine. If you also get no engine audio at speed at all then it's the same issue.

If so, are your setups using DAV Sony surround sound systems? I'd like to find the common link between our setups then we might be able to isolate why the problem occurs for us but not for others.

might be a dumb suggestion but check the settings on the receiver itself. make sure, if it has any 'effects' settings (ie. concert hall, stadium, toilet, etc.), that the effects are turned off on the rec'vr.

gt5 sounds like ass on my rec'vr (older yamaha 5.1) when using its sound processing.

Not a dumb suggestion but all settings in the amp are fine, double checked recently as it was something that crossed my mind also

are you using HDMI?

Posted a couple of times in the thread, my amp doesn't have HDMI connectivity, so the PS3 is connected to the surround via digital optical lead, which is perfectly capable of transmitting a 5.1 signal and works fine for other games and blurays etc

I changed my password on my computer from here www.eu.gran-turismo.com
Maybe it works for you too

Tried this last night, still waiting for my email. Will see if it turns up today.

Thanks again for the help everyone