High Power Drifting

[Suzuki]

Nascar vs D1 who will win in the Togue?

id say keiichiya would own nascar in the touge. with his 86.
but also a few of the top d1 guys have JGTC F1 etc experience, where as nascar... they havent had as much exp in top lvl motorsports. yeah, alot of them have been in circle track dirt racing, but i think JGTC, Rally, F1, etc require more skill.

 

[dking]

id say keiichiya would own nascar in the touge. with his 86.
but also a few of the top d1 guys have JGTC F1 etc experience, where as nascar... they havent had as much exp in top lvl motorsports. yeah, alot of them have been in circle track dirt racing, but i think JGTC, Rally, F1, etc require more skill.

, if the Drivers switched cars I bet nascar drivers will have a blast in jgtc, f1 or rally, but I bet the non nascar drivers will b bored in nascar cars....but who knows...no nascars in gt...i wonder if there is a reason for that....

 

[Kaji-San]

IMO, I like the mid-power (200-400 HP) drifting. High speed drifting ruins my drifts. Its just not my style.

 

[Fat Boy Drifter]

I try to keep my cars hp between 400-600hp so I can easily break the rear on a corner but not having to worry about spinning out because I'm going full throttle.

 

[HiyakuShiro]

Opened a can of worms on this one, high horse power cars are easy to drift, power over and feint are easy with heavy powerful cars, low power cars take thought and consideration when it comes to the corner and the speed needed to complete the drift, most time with low powered cars you have to use the angle to slow you so that you get the full use of the speed, unlike high power cars in which you need only control the power and the car will slide around any turn.

High power drifting and or high speed drifting are much different from exibition,high speed drifting is mostly grip, using angle to slow the car and controling the tires as they spin, but remember"Once the tires slip you are already losing time" No matter how fast you are grip is faster.

 

[sonicjet]

the thing is that low power=more skill needed to look good (good place to learn) high power=lower momentem(because tires are spinning so fast) making it ever harder to have enouth speed (💡 try this set up a 350 hp rx 7 and a viper w. 650 hp test both)

 

[HiyakuShiro]

the thing is that low power=more skill needed to look good (good place to learn) high power=lower momentem(because tires are spinning so fast) making it ever harder to have enouth speed (💡 try this set up a 350 hp rx 7 and a viper w. 650 hp test both)

Learn control, if you can't control the tire spin how can you expect to drift at all?

 

[Boundary Layer]

high power=lower momentem

Not true in the least, infact power and acceleration both have nothing to do with momentum in the first place. M = m*V. ...that's like Grade 9 physics. Even if you do accelerate slowly at first due to your tires burning off (which I will get to in a minute), in GT4 you do eventually get up to speed.

because tires are spinning so fast

Only true if you are hitting the gas with your balls to the wall every single time. Here's a tip: even on the DS2 all the buttons are analog, meaning you can ease into the gas. It doesn't take a Grade 9 physicist to figure out that if you decrease throttle input the wheelspin will lessen and the tires will hook up.

 

[nk4e]

Not true in the least, infact power and acceleration both have nothing to do with momentum in the first place. M = m*V. ...that's like Grade 9 physics. Even if you do accelerate slowly at first due to your tires burning off (which I will get to in a minute), in GT4 you do eventually get up to speed.



Only true if you are hitting the gas with your balls to the wall every single time. Here's a tip: even on the DS2 all the buttons are analog, meaning you can ease into the gas. It doesn't take a Grade 9 physicist to figure out that if you decrease throttle input the wheelspin will lessen and the tires will hook up.

Unless you don't have thumbs, then your screwed. We are assuming that you have thumbs(I hope I got Sarcasm down right...)

 

[azngtricer]

hmm from my experience drifting in low powered cars are way too easy, cause i know all of you low powered drifters, espically me, have no sensitivity on the throttle because of the need to keep the rpms up or staying at that level. if you ever played kaido battle touge no densetsu and just stomp on the gas all the time the car will just spin out on the turn even in a 150hp car.

i would say even though getting angle in a high powered car is much faster and easier but once you go from low powered to high powered its a different story and you cant have a lead foot, haha. it takes more practice much early braking or much earlier turn in and then on the gas you cant go full throttle you can only go like half to a fourth throttle cause if you do bam youll just spin the tires and get crap.

in my opinion going from low to a high powered car is fun. in the low powered car you learn counter steer control and high powered cars you learn brake and throttle control.

i hope to get a capture card soon and show you guys some of my personal favorite drift spots the sort of u turn heading in the tunnel fo trial mountain, you wouldnt believe and i couldnt believe what i could do, i would turn in so early you wouldnt think i would drift the whole turn its pretty amazing, but then again anyone of you guys could do it. now im getting off track ha

thats enough for now really long post sorry....

 

[nk4e]

hmm from my experience drifting in low powered cars are way too easy, cause i know all of you low powered drifters, espically me, have no sensitivity on the throttle because of the need to keep the rpms up or staying at that level. if you ever played kaido battle touge no densetsu and just stomp on the gas all the time the car will just spin out on the turn even in a 150hp car.

i would say even though getting angle in a high powered car is much faster and easier but once you go from low powered to high powered its a different story and you cant have a lead foot, haha. it takes more practice much early braking or much earlier turn in and then on the gas you cant go full throttle you can only go like half to a fourth throttle cause if you do bam youll just spin the tires and get crap.

in my opinion going from low to a high powered car is fun. in the low powered car you learn counter steer control and high powered cars you learn brake and throttle control.

i hope to get a capture card soon and show you guys some of my personal favorite drift spots the sort of u turn heading in the tunnel fo trial mountain, you wouldnt believe and i couldnt believe what i could do, i would turn in so early you wouldnt think i would drift the whole turn its pretty amazing, but then again anyone of you guys could do it. now im getting off track ha

thats enough for now really long post sorry....

I have seen more longer post.

 

[karate_crimson]

Drifting with a high powered car is useless unless you're on a high speed course like high speed ring. Because only n00bs say that power is everything. I thought that about 3 years ago. I got GT4 two years ago and I bought an FD rx7 and tuned it to 640 hp. haha needless to say i spun almost every corner. i dont anymore, but the heavier cars are the ones that have the most power. even with racing brakes you have to brake at least 200 feet away from the apex. plus your wasting your tires faster.

 

[nk4e]

Drifting with a high powered car is useless unless you're on a high speed course like high speed ring. Because only n00bs say that power is everything. I thought that about 3 years ago. I got GT4 two years ago and I bought an FD rx7 and tuned it to 640 hp. haha needless to say i spun almost every corner. i dont anymore, but the heavier cars are the ones that have the most power. even with racing brakes you have to brake at least 200 feet away from the apex. plus your wasting your tires faster.

Your wrong, Drifting high power cars is a bit good and kind of for small courses that have linkage through those corners, example. Autumn Ring. Even if your right on some points.(like the braking one) But most pro drifters on here tend to use around 400-600 HP. Its mainly skill to keep that drift and knowing the power band of the custom car.

 

[karate_crimson]

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[nk4e]

Oh I see what you mean then. yeah i said its good when you need to connect drifts but when youre in a lower gear you spend most of your time just kissing the rev limit violently when youre only at 25mph. Im trying to say that its only good at some points.

You can't drift a 25mph..more like around 45-80mph but there is always staying in the powerband of the car that keep the tires spinning,this is where LSD comes in.

 

[karate_crimson]

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[abacacus]

I go the same way as Swift on this one. I've always found that people with high-HP cars had the easy way in drifting, especially when I watch Formula D. I scoff at Samuel Hubinette and his SRT-10 viper, and the fact that people like him win just because their cars have a horsepower excess.

oh really? most of the more "normal" drift cars run turbos. he runs his car natuarly asparated, which means less of a powerband. and since you mentione "people like samuel hubinette", what about Bubba Drift, they run a magnacharger'd 350 chevy in an cabelero (he calls it a hell camino) with an auto, will that make you cry to? and (the name escapes me) with his 700 HP '69 camaro sponserd by falken? and the GTO (dont remeber that name either, ill edit if i remember them)? and the Toyo mustang? real men drift with power.

 

[Suzuki]

oh really? most of the more "normal" drift cars run turbos. he runs his car natuarly asparated, which means less of a powerband. and since you mentione "people like samuel hubinette", what about Bubba Drift, they run a magnacharger'd 350 chevy in an cabelero (he calls it a hell camino) with an auto, will that make you cry to? and (the name escapes me) with his 700 HP '69 camaro sponserd by falken? and the GTO (dont remeber that name either, ill edit if i remember them)? and the Toyo mustang? real men drift with power.

actually... turbo cars have a more narrow powerband then NA, and the only reason tons of people run them is because alot of japanese sports cars come stock with turbo. also bubba drift doesnt drift the el camino anymore, he droped that for a ls1 powere s13 coupe, but drifting with an slushbox just means he can concentrate more on his steering, gas, and brake rather than what gear he needs to be in for a certian corner. vaughn gittin jr switched from his s13 coupe to the mustang because he wanted to try something different. i feel it takes FAR more skill to drift an underpowered car as opposed to an overpowered one. why? because you cant just go in and power over on every corner, you actually have to use weight transfer to get the rear to slide. imo it takes farrr more skill to get a 140hp car sideways on asphalt than it does to get a 700 hp car sideways on asphalt.

 

[panjandrum]

To me, high-powered drifting is just as fun as drifting stock cars. They just need pretty much different techniques.
For example, let's compare Lotus Elise 111R and Gran Turismo R34 GT-R.
Elise weights around 700kg's, and has 200bhp+. Mid engined too, and best stock drifter I know.

Yeah, I love drifting that car. I've noticed that what many of us call "drifting" is the "old school" (oh, sorry, "skool" :-) concept of drifting: the type of drifting performed before the current style of what I'm now calling "exhibition drifting". For example, when the rear of an RR Porsche gets out and takes a wider arc around a corner a Porsche driver will often refer to that as drifting. Magazines not specific to exhibition drifting still call various things "drift". The Ford GT, for example, was said to be able to go into a nice drift. But, this is all quite different than generally low-speed exhibition drifting, which seems to have taken over the term "drifting", which isn't necessarily accurate as it is only one type of drifting, and has little (really nothing) to do with winning a race.

I'm with you one this one, I think the best drifters are cars that naturally drift, MR and RR cars mostly, or a few FR cars where the weight is fairly far back.

Try the Lancia Stratos for even wilder but very controllable drifting, an absolutely awesome machine to get around tight city courses in, especially if they have plenty of tight corners like Seattle. Talk about drift! A lot like the Elise, just more drift.

 

[Ske]

Chipping in on the power debate here, since it's already been resurrected and I'm awfully bored

Disclaimer: The following relates only to GT4 and is therefore inaccurate regarding real life drifting, so please don't bring that up.

The easiest range for a drift car is 250-400 HP IMO (depending on weight).. much more than that and you'll be struggling to control your propulsion, turning your drift into more of a stationary burnout... not very impressive.
For me it's more about how you use the power you have... If you have a high power drift car, then drift it like no stock car can be drifted - do crazy stuff with it. If you take a look at some of the FBI videos, you'll see what I mean: crazy links that require brute force to pull through.

I'm also getting a bit tired of claims that low power drifters are "better" in any way (nothing personal here, fellas ). Most of the low power (GT4) drifts I've seen look the part: Low angle, little smoke, few long links. If you ask me, low power drifting could be used as an excuse not to put 100% effort into it. I'm not arguing that low power makes it harder (cause it does), I just think it's the wrong point to make... if I'm making sense

Personally, I like to tune my cars to work FOR me and not against me.. I do it "easymode" with around 350-450 HP in most my rides, but since I have a pretty capable throttlefoot I can work with more powerful cars as well.

In the end, the most important thing is to drift like a champ... oh, and don't use driver aids - they're for sissies

 

[Implausibility]

My 200HP trueno can hold high angles with large amounts of smoke. What are you talking about low powered cars can't drift high-angle with smoke?
For example (from my trueno gallery): http://foohost.com/GT4/trueno/IMG0003.JPG or http://foohost.com/GT4/trueno/IMG0019.JPG

Why would you say something so silly? Low powered cars can hold high-angle drifts with large amounts of smoke. It all depends on tecnique. When it comes to high-powered or low-powered you can end up with the same results, very nice looking drifts; it all depends on how you pull it off. If you want to talk about the difficulty of the drift, with a high-powered car you will have to be a little more sensitive with your throttle, with a low-powered car you'll need to be better at holding whatever momentum you have. Anyways, isn't the really skilled driver the one who can drift any car he's given?

 

[Swift]

My 200HP trueno can hold high angles with large amounts of smoke. What are you talking about low powered cars can't drift high-angle with smoke?
For example (from my trueno gallery): http://foohost.com/GT4/trueno/IMG0003.JPG or http://foohost.com/GT4/trueno/IMG0019.JPG

Why would you say something so silly? Low powered cars can hold high-angle drifts with large amounts of smoke. It all depends on tecnique. When it comes to high-powered or low-powered you can end up with the same results, very nice looking drifts; it all depends on how you pull it off. If you want to talk about the difficulty of the drift, with a high-powered car you will have to be a little more sensitive with your throttle, with a low-powered car you'll need to be better at holding whatever momentum you have. Anyways, isn't the really skilled driver the one who can drift any car he's given?

I'll have to disagree here. Sure, a lower powered car can hit high angles and smoke. However, it can't do it as long as a higher powered car of the same weight. It's a simple matter of physics.

So while you're very correct, you can also be very wrong. It does depend on technique as you say, but technique can't override physics

 

[Implausibility]

I'll have to disagree here. Sure, a lower powered car can hit high angles and smoke. However, it can't do it as long as a higher powered car of the same weight. It's a simple matter of physics.

So while you're very correct, you can also be very wrong. It does depend on technique as you say, but technique can't override physics

Ah, forgot to cover all my bases there. I completely agree, a low-powered car can not hold those drifts for as long as a high powered car of the same weight. I was simply talking about a comparison to say... my 200HP trueno to say a nice SRT-10, wasn't taking into consideration cars of the same weight-class and what not.

 

[karate_crimson]

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[nk4e]

Its all about your skill or setup not the car.

Its both the car and the driver. if you just say skill, then there is a possible to drift a FF like nothing but then again, I can be wrong.

 

[Ske]

My 200HP trueno can hold high angles with large amounts of smoke. What are you talking about low powered cars can't drift high-angle with smoke?
For example (from my trueno gallery): http://foohost.com/GT4/trueno/IMG0003.JPG or http://foohost.com/GT4/trueno/IMG0019.JPG

Still images don't say very much, though...

Take this example: Apricot Hill reverse, the big right sweeper into the esses. Better yet, the sharp chicane (T2-3), uphill all the way to the hairpin. This can be linked with a powerful car. I'd like to see you do that in a 200hp s13 Besides, a 200 HP Trueno has quite a bit of punch for it's size.

Any car can do single turns and basic links like the midfield sweepers, but for the really hairy and uphill stuff you need a bit of torque to push you forward while drifting, as opposed to just sliding off built up speed through a single corner. A more powerful car is also able to go from high angle to low angle and back with more grace.

One real life example I can think of (saw it today) is the D1GP at Tsukuba. The Corollas can not link the hairpin into the right bend, while the more powerful cars can. That's the kind of advantage I'm talking about here, I hope you understand me now

All that being said.. In GT4, I think the best learner's car is a low-mid powered one as it's far easier to control. You're also able to stay on the throttle longer and harder on these without messing up your drift. It may be easy to spin the wheels and kick out the rear end with high power, but carrying a drift over long distances and multiple apexes requires a very light right foot. I still think it's better to have a surplus than a lack of power, as long as you can control it and use it to your advantage.

@karate: I agree to a certain extent... but every car has it's limits (in GT4), and some require drastic tuning to be any fun to drift. Still, as long as the car is "driftable", it's up to the driver to fine tune and make it work. I've practically given up a few cars, but with some "exotic" tuning options they can usually be made to drift (talking about rear wheel drive here, of course). Some cars in GT4 seem to have very poor power delivery however, and these tend to be hard to drift good consistently

 

[RoadsterDrifter]

250-300hp miata FTW.👍

 

[Spyder_V]

I drift a super-powered Cadillac Cien. That's freaking awesome!

 

[kusanagiblade]

Well, I did drift low power and high power before. And I found out 1 important thing, not only HP is important, but as well as the weight. Most highly power cars have a weight of 950kg above, so momentum is good. But if you drive a 300HP 700/800kg car, you can feel, the speed is quite the same. But, 1 important thing occur.

You can definitely have more control of the car, since it is light. If you are those who use power over to drift, then there isn't much to say whether it is hard or easy.

 

[sonicjet]

He(the guy above, cant spell name) is right its about power to weight .
I've drifted fds' with 200 hp and srt-10s' with 600hp just different techniques needed. The speed 12 is different from all it weighs 1000kg and has 1010hp