honda nsx-r gt

[MagpieRacer]

Honda's limited edition NSX, awesome, absolutely awesome

only 5 being made though

http://www.autocarmagazine.com/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=214363

 

[Max_DC]

Honda's limited edition NSX, awesome, absolutely awesome

only 5 being made though

http://www.autocarmagazine.com/News_Article.asp?NA_ID=214363

Ahh, I don't know... that is way too much money for this car... buy an NSX-R and spend 50 k $ on it and you will kill this GT... or buy the Nismo Ztune instead....

 

[vladimir]

150k for a scoop?

 

[Jay]

"Engine remains the same"..... Sorry but no thanks.

 

[Dave A]

It's exactley the same as the normal NSX-R underneath the body modifications. 250k for one of thoes, not a chance. However they are building only 5 and the sole reason for the price is to fund the racing programme, still far too expensive.

 

[Emohawk]

It may be stupid, but they can probably find 5 people to buy them.
Didn't know the NSX was being discontinued. It's hardly in production anyway, but it's still bad to see it go.

 

[Dave A]

Yep, currently no plans for a replacement either.

 

[Ev0]

150k for a scoop?

My thoughts exactly.

 

[McLaren]

No thanks.

I like mine just fine.

 

[CalibreDan]

I read that they were tuned to 350bhp with 86mm throttle bodies, hence the need for the scoop

 

[a6m5]

I did a google search on this car, and here's why this car even exist:

The changes to the JGTC Honda NSX race cars were apparently so fundamental that Honda had to make a certain number of road legal vehicles to comply with the JGTC rules. Only five NSX-R GT models will be made (production will start in August) and all of them had already been sold.
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/nsx-r_gt.asp

This is the same reason why GT-One roadcars were built, right?

 

[Jay]

I did a google search on this car, and here's why this car even exist:



This is the same reason why GT-One roadcars were built, right?

Nice find, makes sense. Lot of one off's were made because those rulings.

 

[JohnBM01]

So with the discontinuation of the NSX, why don't Honda or Mugen or somebody hop up the S2000 and make it shine? I'm still sure the machine won't allow anything more than 276hp in Japan. I thought the JGTC race car from 2003 was nice before that big air scoop was added after Race 2 of the 2003 JGTC season.

But if there are no plans for a replacement, I still think there should be a 276hp S2000, something at the highest allowable HP limit in Japan. I've always considered the NSX as Honda's flagship sports car, but nowadays, the S2000 has been the flagship. So why not make it better? The 240hp rating was the same from the last S2000, only that the latest one has 2.2 liters displacement

One last point, not a bad NSX.

 

[Dave A]

No the 280PS maximum gentlemens agreement is being phased out now, the Japanese manufacturers have had enough of the Euorpean and American manufacturers creating faster, more powerful cars while they cannot.

 

[MacRoadster]

No the 280PS maximum gentlemens agreement is being phased out now, the Japanese manufacturers have had enough of the Euorpean and American manufacturers creating faster, more powerful cars while they cannot.

That should be another reason for Honda to make a new NSX, to match the Nissan 350Z and the new Toyota, here
Instead they just make some changes to an old car... 👎

 

[Dave A]

Theres NO reason for Honda to make a new NSX, thats why they arn't doing one. It doesn't bring a profit, it never has and never will.

 

[Sniffs]

well, having a last shot for the model in JGTC explains why there's five leftovers. i had heard in one of my car mags that the CEO of Honda had axed the new version of the NSX. now, it strikes me why NSX is axed...S2000 is replacing it as Honda's "Halo" car

 

[Dave A]

For the time being it is anyway. I don't see the S2000 staying in production for to much longer though. I'll bet that Hondas working on something more marketable than an NSX but with the perfomance of a flagship.

 

[MacRoadster]

Theres NO reason for Honda to make a new NSX, thats why they arn't doing one. It doesn't bring a profit, it never has and never will.

Good that Toyota and other manufacturers don't think like that, so they keep making great top cars...

 

[The359]

A Honda head honcho was recently quoted as saying that the entire NSX project, from it's very inception in the late 80s up to the development of things like the NSX-R GT, has lost Honda $800,000,000. This includes the cost of building an entire plant just to build this car and this car alone, and which will be closed when the NSX ends production.

I think Honda needs to invest in something along the lines of the Vemac RD180s, RD200s, RD320s, and RD350s, all of which already have their engines in.

 

[MacRoadster]

If they lost so much $, then building a new car with existing technology seems to me a less expensive solution than to build a completly new one.

Some manufacturers to make cars with powerfull engines without investing too much on it, combine 2 engines in 1. Like Volkswagen W12, which uses two V6 engines they already had in production. Imagine a W12 NSX...

I just wouldn't like to see Honda building exclusively Civics, without a top sports car like other manufacturers have...
If they call it NSX or give it a new name it's the same to me.

 

[JNasty4G63]

.....Like Volkswagen W12, which uses two V6 engines they already had in production.

That car didn't use 2 engines, it used the W12 engine that VAG had developed. The engine design was related to the standard VR6 engine, just combined at the crank. You don't just fuse 2 engines together and make it happen. Its a lot more involved than that. But the engine itself was a real engine they developed for use. What engine do you think is in the new Audi A8 W12??? Hmmm, I wonder???

Hilg

 

[MacRoadster]

That car didn't use 2 engines, it used the W12 engine that VAG had developed. The engine design was related to the standard VR6 engine, just combined at the crank. You don't just fuse 2 engines together and make it happen. Its a lot more involved than that. But the engine itself was a real engine they developed for use. What engine do you think is in the new Audi A8 W12??? Hmmm, I wonder???

Sorry, maybe i haven't explained well...
I was talking about combining 2 engines in 1, i know it doesn't use two engines. I also know "You don't just fuse 2 engines together and make it happen.".
But why do they do it instead of building a new one from scratch? Isn't it because it's easier/cheaper development?

 

[JNasty4G63]

.....But why do they do it instead of building a new one from scratch? Isn't it because it's easier/cheaper development?

That engine is a ground up new engine. Yes, it shares things they learned with the designs of the VR6. But, its a ground-up design, not an evolution of VR6 development.

Hilg

 

[The359]

If they lost so much $, then building a new car with existing technology seems to me a less expensive solution than to build a completly new one.

No, killing off the entire project and starting from scratch with a car that's actually good and will return some sort of money would be the best solution.

 

[Emohawk]

Combined engines off the top of my head:
Cizeta Moroder V16 (V16T) 2x Ferrari V8
Cadillac Northstar V12 (Cien) 2x 'shortstar' Northstar V6
Mazda 26B (787B) 2x 13B or 12A* (???)

also I've heard cases of I4s made out of V8s by chopping one bank off, but can't remember anything specific.

*I don't know if the one used in the 787B was derived from 2x 13B or 12A (although that would make sense), but I have heard of people making their own '26B's like this.

 

[iceburns288]

I thought this car was actually turbod and putting out more than 500hp. There was supposed to be a run of 5 NSXs like that. I've seen it around somewhere...

 

[JNasty4G63]

Combined engines off the top of my head......

Those are all well and good, but its not as easy as you guys are making it seem. You don't just "chop off a bank" of cylinders of a V8 and have a nice 4cyl engine. The whole design of an engine is very sensitive to configuration. And, you can't just "put together 2 - 13B engines" to make your own 26B.

The new M3 coming out is going to be using a new 4.0 V8 engine. Its derived off the 5.0 V10 in the M5. But, its not like they just sliced off 2 cylinders and called it an engine. There are lots of specifics that basically make the engine an entire development in itself.

Hilg

 

[Jay]

Those are all well and good, but its not as easy as you guys are making it seem. You don't just "chop off a bank" of cylinders of a V8 and have a nice 4cyl engine. The whole design of an engine is very sensitive to configuration. And, you can't just "put together 2 - 13B engines" to make your own 26B.

The new M3 coming out is going to be using a new 4.0 V8 engine. Its derived off the 5.0 V10 in the M5. But, its not like they just sliced off 2 cylinders and called it an engine. There are lots of specifics that basically make the engine an entire development in itself.

Hilg

In the 60's Pontiac put a 195cubic inch 4 cylinder in to the Pontiac tempest, the engine was a Pontiac 389 cubic inch V8 with one whole bank of cylinders cut off. Im not sure what adjustments they made to make the engine run correctly.

I assume your well aware people do make there own 26B's from parts of 2 13B's (plus extra custom made parts).

 

[DRIFT GOD]

i read somewhere that a supercharger kit would cost around $50 k for the NSX, im not sure if its true or not.