Honda Wieder on Nordschleife

[iWanchek]

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So, I just love the Nurburgring Nordschleife, and I'm driving every day in this amazing track, and I love the Honda HSV Wieder 010"11 model, I drive the 600pp and max 650pp races, and I can't find the right setup for this!

On time trail, my best time (660pp)with this car is 5:55/5:56, I didn't did much about the setup, just played with the susepension and transmission and I know that Thers a better setup for This amazing car.

My question is, if someone know some good setups for this car for Nurburgring b'koz, I just love the car on this track and I Dont know how to do a proper setup on this car so that I can be competitive against stronger players on a steering wheel....

Thank you in advance and I hope they are lot off you who drive this beast on the Nordschleife!

 

[Thorin Cain]

I have done a tune on the base model that may suit your needs although I haven't tested it on the ring. You may need to raise the ride height a little and soften up the springs and dampers a touch.
Give it a try, hope it helps.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...x-updated-23-03-14.301902/page-6#post-9509360

 

[iWanchek]

I have done a tune on the base model that may suit your needs although I haven't tested it on the ring. You may need to raise the ride height a little and soften up the springs and dampers a touch.
Give it a try, hope it helps.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...x-updated-23-03-14.301902/page-6#post-9509360

Thnx bro, I'll give it a try, I think that this set up is for"linear"tracks, with low max speed and good downforce.

Nurburgring is something different but, as I say, I'll give it a try ✌️

 

[Thorin Cain]

I use it on various tracks but yeah, nothing like the ring for higher max speed just drop the final gear. And as I said, I think you will need to mess with the suspension a bit. Let me know how you get on.

 

[iWanchek]

I use it on various tracks but yeah, nothing like the ring for higher max speed just drop the final gear. And as I said, I think you will need to mess with the suspension a bit. Let me know how you get on.

So, I tested u're set up my
Friend. Sooooo.....right away, with this I've manage to beat my best lap for (only) 0.375, but, Thers like 1.5/2 seconds gap that can be done.

The car with this set up is nervous, understeer a lot, don't know why, even tho the downforce is set to 400 front 575 back and jumps, I almost roll over few times (?!?!), yes, roll! In some
Section of the Nurb, u attack the cerb aggressive and as I say, I almost roll over fee times.

I've try to lift the car front 65 back 67, and expand the damper extension etc, but still, it slides AND If u attack The cerbe, ure on ure roof I promise you!

The transmission is almost perfect. Tight, good connection between the gears....!

Btw. I drove my test with 647pp, not with 597, b'koz I wanna see the full potential of the car, maybe this set up will work for 600pp?! Hmmm...maybe....

As I say, this set up is ok, can be better, good basis for futhure tune ups, but we need for the Nurb something"stable", or
Is this game fooling me! Even tho I've changed the suspension, like, I lift the car a bit, soften the suspension etc, the car slides, under steers...

I'm driving on a ps3 controller, all off except skid recovery force and the ASM (I think) option.

When u can te ure setup and see or buy my Honda, HSV 010'11, and see what am I talking about. Or schod I just buy u're version...b'koz this set up hmmm doesn't work 100% on my car....

 

[Thorin Cain]

So, I tested u're set up my
Friend. Sooooo.....right away, with this I've manage to beat my best lap for (only) 0.375, but, Thers like 1.5/2 seconds gap that can be done.

The car with this set up is nervous, understeer a lot, don't know why, even tho the downforce is set to 400 front 575 back and jumps, I almost roll over few times (?!?!), yes, roll! In some
Section of the Nurb, u attack the cerb aggressive and as I say, I almost roll over fee times.

I've try to lift the car front 65 back 67, and expand the damper extension etc, but still, it slides AND If u attack The cerbe, ure on ure roof I promise you!

The transmission is almost perfect. Tight, good connection between the gears....!

Btw. I drove my test with 647pp, not with 597, b'koz I wanna see the full potential of the car, maybe this set up will work for 600pp?! Hmmm...maybe....

As I say, this set up is ok, can be better, good basis for futhure tune ups, but we need for the Nurb something"stable", or
Is this game fooling me! Even tho I've changed the suspension, like, I lift the car a bit, soften the suspension etc, the car slides, under steers...

I'm driving on a ps3 controller, all off except skid recovery force and the ASM (I think) option.

When u can te ure setup and see or buy my Honda, HSV 010'11, and see what am I talking about. Or schod I just buy u're version...b'koz this set up hmmm doesn't work 100% on my car....

Hi again, Thanks for the feedback. Some great info.

Don't waste any money buying the base model it's really just the same car.

This tune is used mostly on the GP Circuits and really is pretty tight. So I'm not surprised it don't like some of the kerbs out there.
I am off work tomorrow so I'm planning on some good quality game time. I'll give it a run round at 600 & 650 and see if I can get you something more Ring-friendly.

Thanks again for taking the time to try it and giving some real useful feedback:tup:

 

[iWanchek]

Hi again, Thanks for the feedback. Some great info.

Don't waste any money buying the base model it's really just the same car.

This tune is used mostly on the GP Circuits and really is pretty tight. So I'm not surprised it don't like some of the kerbs out there.
I am off work tomorrow so I'm planning on some good quality game time. I'll give it a run round at 600 & 650 and see if I can get you something more Ring-friendly.

Thanks again for taking the time to try it and giving some real useful feedback:tup:

I hope this info will help u a bit for better understanding the handling and u know now what's coming to u

I did all those test on time trail, 5:57.375 my time (+- 1 sec), if u find solid balance, send ure feedback.

Cheers my friend

 

[rams1de]

Try Praiano's garage. He has a tune for the Raybrig HSV 0-10. He tests his tunes on the Ring and it might transfer well to your car.

 

[iWanchek]

Try Praiano's garage. He has a tune for the Raybrig HSV 0-10. He tests his tunes on the Ring and it might transfer well to your car.

I've seen it but, those two models as little bit different. His tune didn't help me much either.

But I'll try it again

 

[Thorin Cain]

Hi again @iWanchek, I've given it a little run at 600 pp and have some changes you can try.

Ride height: 65/65, Spring: 16.15/16.68
Comp: 6/7 EXT: 8/8 Toe: 0.02/-0.02

Final gear for 600 pp change to 4.200. LSD: 7/8/5

Aero I have set at 400/500 but runs good at 320/400 if you want less.

EDIT: oh! and brakes 6/4

If you still feel the kerbs are too bothersome set ride height at 70/70 and change springs to 15.21/16.07.
Not very good round the Nordschleife myself but it feels a lot safer than it did the last time you tried.
Hope it helps.

Forgot to ask...Do you race it on-line too?

 

[iWanchek]

Hi again @iWanchek, I've given it a little run at 600 pp and have some changes you can try.

Ride height: 65/65, Spring: 16.15/16.68
Comp: 6/7 EXT: 8/8 Toe: 0.02/-0.02

Final gear for 600 pp change to 4.200. LSD: 7/8/5

Aero I have set at 400/500 but runs good at 320/400 if you want less.

EDIT: oh! and brakes 6/4

If you still feel the kerbs are too bothersome set ride height at 70/70 and change springs to 15.21/16.07.
Not very good round the Nordschleife myself but it feels a lot safer than it did the last time you tried.
Hope it helps.

Forgot to ask...Do you race it on-line too?

I'll try this set up for online but I've buy the Raybirg version and I made a little changes on suspension and transmission and u wount believe me, I'm 1.X seconds faster then my best time with the"old"Weider!! and the Raybirg feels stable, nicer to handle...can't believe what a difference!!!

As I say, max pp and hit the Nurb and try to beat 5:55.xxx, if I drive with a steering wheel, I'll be bit faster.

Yes, I do. Add me on PSN iWanchek-1, I've a mic to tho solo we can race and optimize the car

 

[Thorin Cain]

I'll send you a FR. When I get back from work today.
I've no chance of beatng 5.55 though, nowhere near good enough on The Ring, but hopefully we can get the car the way you want it.

 

[rosckolove]

What are the fastest times guys are running online? I'll buy the car tune it to run at least what they are running if not hopefully faster. Then I'll give you the tune. I love the car and especially the track so it will be fun. Plus it will give me another range of lobbies to join when I go online.

Also don't let them being on a wheel and you being on a pad be an excuse for you. The wheel is only good for a few tenths and I can pretty much guarantee no one online is running close enough to the edge for it to matter. I used to win 99% of my ring races on my DS3. Street cars to race cars it didn't matter. Just keep practicing.

 

[Thorin Cain]

I don't really race there online too much so I was a good 20 seconds behind @iWanchek's time. But as for the difference between a wheel and a DS3 I completely agree, It is possible to get really close to the same times as wheel users, I regularly race against a few of them and find that it's the tune that matters most, not the controller method. Both have advantages and dis-advantages it's just about how you use them and yup, you said it...practice!

 

[iWanchek]

On a standard Nurb I'm so Round 6:05 or so,(online), sometimes I've few runs with 5:57, it depends on my Mood and others fairness but on a Nurb+f1 track, my best time in a race was 7:56 I thing, I was driving good as hell!!

I play as I can see against people who use thee steering wheel, and some times I win but generaly speaking people on wheel r faster, dramatically.

Why, how?!

When I drive agains ppl I can see right away if he's driving on a controller or wheel. In a wheel His style is smoother corner exit much stable, so and at the end of the round he's significant faster then I'm. If I drive like 5:57/6min he's driving 5:45/5:47, and I'm not joking.

On a controller u can't drive smooth, u can't accelerate smooth as well, ure always hiting the limiter witch causes loosing time and burn ure tyre, control the car precise into a corner, or when u drift, hard to control the car, 98% ist that u spin and hit the barrier.

On a wheel, Thers another story. If u know how to use it, I swear with the right set up u'll be unbeatable!! Advantage is in a controlling the car, precise accelerating, braking, controlling the throttle, specially when u drive with all
Aids off, I know, I drove the gt5 on a steering wheel and believe me, no practice in the world can help u drive 6min so precise and stable as on a steering wheel.

It's hard to compare the wheel and the controller in my opinion

 

[Thorin Cain]

Oh, I completely agree that you can be far, far smoother on a wheel but the real advantages of the wheel/pedal set-up is how smoothly you can accelerate and how well you can modulate your braking. But take a look at some of the seasonal event leaderboards and there is almost always a few DS3 users about in the top 10-20 places so it's not as big of a differance than one would imagine.

It's not what you use, it's how well you use it.

 

[iWanchek]

Oh, I completely agree that you can be far, far smoother on a wheel but the real advantages of the wheel/pedal set-up is how smoothly you can accelerate and how well you can modulate your braking. But take a look at some of the seasonal event leaderboards and there is almost always a few DS3 users about in the top 10-20 places so it's not as big of a differance than one would imagine.

It's not what you use, it's how well you use it.

On seasonal events I drove the Ferrari FXX, and I was over like 7/8secs from the Top10, and I think they where all on steering wheel...

But, if u see the gap between number 1 and for example u'll
See that Thers like a big gap and u'll know in Motorsport that every thenth is important not mention second or two....

 

[rosckolove]

On a standard Nurb I'm so Round 6:05 or so,(online), sometimes I've few runs with 5:57, it depends on my Mood and others fairness but on a Nurb+f1 track, my best time in a race was 7:56 I thing, I was driving good as hell!!

I play as I can see against people who use thee steering wheel, and some times I win but generaly speaking people on wheel r faster, dramatically.

Why, how?!

When I drive agains ppl I can see right away if he's driving on a controller or wheel. In a wheel His style is smoother corner exit much stable, so and at the end of the round he's significant faster then I'm. If I drive like 5:57/6min he's driving 5:45/5:47, and I'm not joking.

On a controller u can't drive smooth, u can't accelerate smooth as well, ure always hiting the limiter witch causes loosing time and burn ure tyre, control the car precise into a corner, or when u drift, hard to control the car, 98% ist that u spin and hit the barrier.

On a wheel, Thers another story. If u know how to use it, I swear with the right set up u'll be unbeatable!! Advantage is in a controlling the car, precise accelerating, braking, controlling the throttle, specially when u drive with all
Aids off, I know, I drove the gt5 on a steering wheel and believe me, no practice in the world can help u drive 6min so precise and stable as on a steering wheel.

It's hard to compare the wheel and the controller in my opinion

False. Your lying to yourself. You can be super smooth on the Controller. And like I said, no one online is running the cars as fast as they can go so the extra few tenths you gain from using a wheel don't matter. You aren't slower because your on a controller your slower because they are better drivers and you haven't practiced enough. Also it's easier to catch slides and recover from crazy moments on the Controller, much easier.

 

[iWanchek]

False. Your lying to yourself. You can be super smooth on the Controller. And like I said, no one online is running the cars as fast as they can go so the extra few tenths you gain from using a wheel don't matter. You aren't slower because your on a controller your slower because they are better drivers and you haven't practiced enough. Also it's easier to catch slides and recover from crazy moments on the Controller, much easier.

False!!

Firs, ok, u can be"smooth"on a controller but not as other on steering wheel! In a Nurb, they r lots of areas where u slide as he'll and where u hit the limiter witch costs speed and nice exit, and overall that are "few"lost te thenths that can be crucial and let's sex, if u loose 0200/0.300 in the first sector then imagine how much u gonna lose till the end of the round!

Second, I wount say that every time I drive that I give 100%, no, it depends, but, if i'm driving good, and hit the 5:48 time and the first hit the 5:46, so, my driving skills doesn't mater much b'koz opponent knows how to drive on a wheel and take full potential of it.

Try hit the 5:46 on a time trail with Wieder Raybirg, set up ure car as u wish and try my friend. I'm hitting 5:55.522 till now, maybe a second ist still there to catch, but impossible to get this time (in my opinion), and don't question my driving skills please!

 

[rosckolove]

False!!

Firs, ok, u can be"smooth"on a controller but not as other on steering wheel! In a Nurb, they r lots of areas where u slide as he'll and where u hit the limiter witch costs speed and nice exit, and overall that are "few"lost te thenths that can be crucial and let's sex, if u loose 0200/0.300 in the first sector then imagine how much u gonna lose till the end of the round!

Second, I wount say that every time I drive that I give 100%, no, it depends, but, if i'm driving good, and hit the 5:48 time and the first hit the 5:46, so, my driving skills doesn't mater much b'koz opponent knows how to drive on a wheel and take full potential of it.

Try hit the 5:46 on a time trail with Wieder Raybirg, set up ure car as u wish and try my friend. I'm hitting 5:55.522 till now, maybe a second ist still there to catch, but impossible to get this time (in my opinion), and don't question my driving skills please!

I used to race on a DS3. I practiced a lot. I set laptimes on a DS3 that NO wheel user matched. I'm telling you it's YOU and not your equipment. All you need to do is practice more. I have been in your situation, I surpassed it and now I'm telling you from experience that wheel or pad it doesn't matter. If you don't want to listen fine. I'll stop saying it. But it's all in the driver.

 

[iWanchek]

I used to race on a DS3. I practiced a lot. I set laptimes on a DS3 that NO wheel user matched. I'm telling you it's YOU and not your equipment. All you need to do is practice more. I have been in your situation, I surpassed it and now I'm telling you from experience that wheel or pad it doesn't matter. If you don't want to listen fine. I'll stop saying it. But it's all in the driver.

I wount lie to you if I say that I drove on a Nurb like 1000km or more since I have GT6 (maybe two months), so, practice is always big part of the game and reflection of ure driving skills.

But if u come on a certan level where u try to find 0.100 secs and another player with the same car (more/less identical set up) beats u by 6/7sec, so u ask ure self "how?!", and he tells u that he's driving on a wheel and he can drive believe me.

I know the Nurb and I know the limit if the Weider (Raybirg), and I know that I can if I catch like a good day that I can "shave"another 0.500/1sec maximal, but not more.

Hey, just try Nurb with Wieder Raybirg, ure set up and try go bellow 5.55.xxx, then iMessage me...

 

[rosckolove]

I drove almost 2000km on the nurb in the first few weeks of me playing the game. I have done hundreds of laps on gt6 and probably over a thousand laps on gt5. If your 6 seconds down on a wheel user and fighting for tenths you have hit YOUR limit. It has nothing to do with you being on a pad and them being on a wheel. One of these days someone will chime in and agree with me. Until you accept that you are doing something wrong you aren't going to get any better. I'll let you think whatever you want though as clearly you aren't interested in my advice (to practice more) and I'm just barking up a tree. I will tell you though that when I was on a DS3 and played nurb non stop I never found a wheel user that was faster than me. There was 1 guy that could keep up and that was it. It's all practice. You either don't know the ring like you think you do. Or you just simply aren't pushing the car hard enough. I haven't touched the DS3 since I got my wheel but you are really tempting me to give it a shot and prove you wrong, which I can assure you.... WOULD happen.

 

[Thorin Cain]

I'm going to have to agree with @rosckolove here. I race against some people who have transitioned from using DS3 to using a wheel and after getting use to using the wheels none of them are any quicker than before. It has taken some of them quite a while to learn to use the wheel properly and they have only improved to the same level, comparatively, as when using the pad which they had been using for many many years. They all also tell me that it is easier to correct mistakes with a DS3, and after seeing some of the mistakes, I can totally agree with that.

The cars can only go so fast and the equipment won't change that. Your car, regardless of which one or which track, has a certain potential and the same goes for the driver. There is only one fastest way around any race track and it can be found with a wheel or DS3.

 

[iWanchek]

I drove almost 2000km on the nurb in the first few weeks of me playing the game. I have done hundreds of laps on gt6 and probably over a thousand laps on gt5. If your 6 seconds down on a wheel user and fighting for tenths you have hit YOUR limit. It has nothing to do with you being on a pad and them being on a wheel. One of these days someone will chime in and agree with me. Until you accept that you are doing something wrong you aren't going to get any better. I'll let you think whatever you want though as clearly you aren't interested in my advice (to practice more) and I'm just barking up a tree. I will tell you though that when I was on a DS3 and played nurb non stop I never found a wheel user that was faster than me. There was 1 guy that could keep up and that was it. It's all practice. You either don't know the ring like you think you do. Or you just simply aren't pushing the car hard enough. I haven't touched the DS3 since I got my wheel but you are really tempting me to give it a shot and prove you wrong, which I can assure you.... WOULD happen.

I dare u!! Drive with an ps3 controller, drive my time 5:55:522!!
iMessage me if u wish ivanstrbac@gmail.com!!

Little edit in my post.

I didn't say generaly that any noob can be better on wheel, NO! I wrote like few times here"a combination who knows how to drive a car with wheel and set up his car is unbeatable", that's my only point and I see millions times this scenario online while I'm playing!

So, take the challange and beat my time and"prove"that u have more skill on ps3 controller on a Nurb. Car: Honda Wieder, you're choice of picking of few of them!

Btw here on forum Thers times for Nurburgring, and Honda Wieder Raybirg did 5:43.869 (Meesbaker) witch is 4th fastest time, and u really think that ths time is driven on a ps3 controller?!?

 

[iWanchek]

I'm going to have to agree with @rosckolove here. I race against some people who have transitioned from using DS3 to using a wheel and after getting use to using the wheels none of them are any quicker than before. It has taken some of them quite a while to learn to use the wheel properly and they have only improved to the same level, comparatively, as when using the pad which they had been using for many many years. They all also tell me that it is easier to correct mistakes with a DS3, and after seeing some of the mistakes, I can totally agree with that.

The cars can only go so fast and the equipment won't change that. Your car, regardless of which one or which track, has a certain potential and the same goes for the driver. There is only one fastest way around any race track and it can be found with a wheel or DS3.

I'm quoting you"The cars can only go so fast and the equipment won't change that."
WRONG!! I've tried to search on YouTube some videos but with no luck, ppl only drive with steering wheel and they are darn fast.

 

[rosckolove]

Ok I'd didn't want to get into it like this.... I guarantee you I can match any time you post on the DS3 or the wheel. I posted lap times over a year ago for the nurb using my DS3 that GT Academy finalists and WRS division one gold drivers couldn't touch. Even GTPlanets own ring master said the times were impossible at the time (he has since got very close) these are well accomplished wheel users against me on a DS3. I also hold multiple GTPlanet record laps for the ring. I know what I am talking about, this is what I do. Wheel or pad I am willing to bet quite a bit I can ATLEAST match whatever time you throw at me, on a wheel or a DS3. Look at the seasonal events. DS3 users finish within tenths of wheel users quite often. Your avoiding the real problem and blaming it on the fact that your on the DS3. Even if I did whip out the DS3 and beat the wheel users times you claim there is no proving it and you will probably say I just used the wheel. I'm not going to argue with you anymore because you don't want to listen. But again, I advise you just to practice.

 

[killerjimbag]

Forget it guys. No sense arguing over what we know is a fact. DS3 guys are just as fast as wheels.

 

[iWanchek]

Ok I'd didn't want to get into it like this.... I guarantee you I can match any time you post on the DS3 or the wheel. I posted lap times over a year ago for the nurb using my DS3 that GT Academy finalists and WRS division one gold drivers couldn't touch. Even GTPlanets own ring master said the times were impossible at the time (he has since got very close) these are well accomplished wheel users against me on a DS3. I also hold multiple GTPlanet record laps for the ring. I know what I am talking about, this is what I do. Wheel or pad I am willing to bet quite a bit I can ATLEAST match whatever time you throw at me, on a wheel or a DS3. Look at the seasonal events. DS3 users finish within tenths of wheel users quite often. Your avoiding the real problem and blaming it on the fact that your on the DS3. Even if I did whip out the DS3 and beat the wheel users times you claim there is no proving it and you will probably say I just used the wheel. I'm not going to argue with you anymore because you don't want to listen. But again, I advise you just to practice.

I just challenged u and u backed up, ok, fair enough.

I've no doubt in u and ure driving skills, so don't have doubt in my, on my current time I can shave 1sec max with this current set up that I've right now (5:55.522), but when I find the right set up, maybe the time will be better but I doubt it!

If u wanna hit me up on psn iWanchek-1 so we can race bit to c some skills, if not, my conclusion ist still the same, some who know how to use a wheel and who know how to set up a car, is unbeatable.

5:43.xxx I think from Meesbaker on a Nurb, so I'm just wondering did he this time on controller or wheel...

Cheers m8!

 

[Mini Stiggy]

I just challenged u and u backed up, ok, fair enough.

I've no doubt in u and ure driving skills, so don't have doubt in my, on my current time I can shave 1sec max with this current set up that I've right now (5:55.522), but when I find the right set up, maybe the time will be better but I doubt it!

If u wanna hit me up on psn iWanchek-1 so we can race bit to c some skills, if not, my conclusion ist still the same, some who know how to use a wheel and who know how to set up a car, is unbeatable.

5:43.xxx I think from Meesbaker on a Nurb, so I'm just wondering did he this time on controller or wheel...

Cheers m8!

Unbeatable? Can't be smooth?
Just look at some of the TT leaderboards. There are people with DS3's going as fast as people with wheels. You just need to keep practicing.

 

[rosckolove]

Well from everything you said. I do doubt yours. Quite a bit. I broke my Controller last night trying to mod it. (I was trying to make a homemade scuf controller) when I get a new one I will run some laps. I guarantee I will match any time posted while using a DS3. I'll record myself on my phone and directly send it to you as proof.
I should have the Controller today or tomorrow. What are the times being run in online lobbies you say are impossible? And your talking about the nurb lap leader boards open category I assume? Let me know. Im pretty eager to prove you wrong.