How can others be SO good drivers?

I believe that my experience online helps my real driving, and some days my real driving helps the experience online. I'm a car guy, I've competed in track days or competitions with most of my cars since I got my license. Don't want to sound selfish but, I can drive. :)
 
Practice and skill. No one here was born with their hands on a G25 plugged into a PS3 with GT5:P. I've had Prologue since 2008 Summer, and I'm a lot better now than I was in 2008, because I played the crap out of it, got a wheel, learned the cars and tracks, like the GTR's wobbly braking, or the Frod GT LM's lift off oversteer, and that you take the S curves at Suzuka around 70-90 mph in 2nd or 3rd gear, depending on the car.
 
To answer the question;

I feel I'm a very good driver, but in S class I dont have all golds, in fact, on my first attempts 40% of the S class events were bronze. However, at times I can become obsessive with races, such as the M3 at Eiger in A class, I got gold for that after a few constant hours. So even if your bad, plenty of practice will raise you above the average driver.
 
Well, I actually got gold in the Evo-Eiger B event, and now I am working on the M3 Even in reverse Eiger 0zzy mentioned. I am currently at about 1:15:xx, in every round doing a 1:16:xx... looks kinda tough to beat the 1:14:00. I can't even get it lower than 1:15! I downloaded some replays from time trials, but I noticed that are on S2 tires. Looks like I am going to have to be more gentle with the brakes in the turn before the tunnel, looks like the best way to shave off seconds...
 
@scooterlord As others have said keep practicing, even if you not gifted you will get there.
You will no mater who you are hit barrier were no matter how much you play you will not beat a time, event, hotlap and all of a sudden you will eclipse that time and continue to beat it over months of play, rome was not built in a day.
Those who put in more time get more results, this is much more evident on 360 as you can see you friends profile in more detail, with a comment of "joe blow playing Forza hotlapping Suzuka lap 148" i have seen this many times with an average lap time of 2.30mins for suzuka this would means they would have been hotlapping to grab top ranks for over 6 to 7hrs straight. Green skin LOL!!! patients is of a virtue.
 
Having patience is great advice, been tryin to get gold on a3 and its just depressing me, been at it for weeks, i know yrs ago i got under 1:14 but have no idea how i did it, maybe i had standard physics on, i dont know. I just get frustrated and get worse and worse, i have never got those first 2 corners right even after trying it probably 100's of times. I am always 2 sec a lap slower with traction control off and asm off when aswell.
 
Well, reminds me of S10, in which I can't get gold...used to get gold every time I played.. but that was using a sixaxis and standard physics...

..as for A3, I just let it be, I've never been at the 1:14:xx spectrum, always doing laps 1:15:xx.. I don't think I'll feel any better once I get it gold because it will be out of luck and after hundreds of hours play. Looks like you must be aligned behind a slow car that is behind the evo that is behind the corvette to get it right...
 
Re A3...I have silver and gold is on the to-do. The event is S1 tyres and on the outlap there are two cars to overtake which you should do on the back straight through the jump. You then have two clear laps to do the deed. Which I haven't yet managed. Instead, I practice in Arcade on S1 tyres where I have run sub 1.14.0 laps. Problem is I can't do so consistently enough to warrant really trying it in the event. I can do 1.14s easily, and always manage a 1.14.4 or thereabouts.

Things I have learned:

- keep as far left as possible for turn 1 (past s/f line) and you need to exit that turn as far right as possible. It is possible, just, to do this flat out but you need to be accurate and precise. Keep in third

- turn 2 (LH sweeper) brake, but don't come right off the throttle as otherwise you induce lift-off oversteer. So leave a little throttle on. If you get it right you'll keep 140km/h plus and be easing back on the throttle after the apex. Through the tunnel is your only use of 4th gear.

- after the tunnel the long LH -- this is a double apex corner in second. Do whatever you can to get early on the throttle, well before the second apex, you'll be well away from the inside of the track as halfway through the corner. This corner is crucial as there's a longish full-throttle third-gear section.

- the tight uphills are the key to this track. Be very smooth and gentle, squeezing the power on, using the track width. I am reminded of Jackie Stewart's immortal advice never to begin applying the throttle until you are sure you will not need to lift. Any sideways action and you're losing time.

- final corner double apex again in second, make sure you hit both apexes, you do need to wait before you apply the throttle as otherwise you'll run wide and lose it.

I've run a 1.13.8 on S1s using that technique, I just can't yet do it consistently. IMHO this event is much harder than the Evo Eiger time trial. In fact, the time trials and one-lap races are the events I have had most difficulty with.
 
It doesnt seem that long ago when i was driving with all aids using auto gears. First thing i did was switch from auto to man. gears, then practice till it felt natural, i did this with all the aids, switched them off one by one and practiced. i then moved on to running some time trials but more importantly viewed replays from the top guys to see where i lost time.

It takes time, you can't expect to master it overnight, patience, practice and being able to walk away when feeling flushed to come back clear headed will get you there, most guys here (there's some exceptions) when they first ran the GTP Qualifier were placed in a lower division/group than they are now in, i started in D3 Silver if memory serves me correctly. Don't give up and all the best.

Also after racing online for some time, taking part in quite a few events i ventured back to have another go at some of the medal events which i never got gold in first time round when i bought the game, was very surprised at the ease completing them, going to shw how much reward in practice, TT's and online racing produce.
 
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Thx raceur, ill try our advice, i thing i did notice, or i might just be imagining it, is you seem to have more grip on the line where all the tyre marks are (not the blue racing line) i seem to be able to get on the power earlier and have less wheel spin if im on that line.
 
Thx raceur, ill try our advice, i thing i did notice, or i might just be imagining it, is you seem to have more grip on the line where all the tyre marks are (not the blue racing line) i seem to be able to get on the power earlier and have less wheel spin if im on that line.

I'm not sure GT5P models traction CoEs across different parts of the track, but where the tyre marks are tends to be the racing line so it may appear like there's more grip there when in fact it's really the better line that gives you apparent grip.
 
Your right, just feels like it though. Ive giving up on that one for a while, im a sucker for punishment cause now im stuck on s8, my hat goes off to whoever designed the ford gt, must be hard to design a car that oversteers and understeers all at the same time, the thing is only any good in a straight line.
 
Ford GT - slower in, lateish apex, early on the power, classic mid-engine technique. Don't come off the throttle entirely as you'll get lift-off oversteer. You're stuck on the bronze S8? That's not too hard compared to others you would have completed already. S7, S10, S6 are the difficult ones in S class IMHO.
 
I have been wondering the same thing as the thread starter.

I picked up GT5 recently, ran a lap in my Ferrari F430 on Suzuka Circuit.
Thought I would at least get within 3 or maybe 2 seconds of the record time. I got 5,5 seconds away from it. Having to do my very best to get within 3,5 seconds.
How the hell does this guy to this.
I followed his ghost replay, for once I can't even generate the starting speed this guy starts off with. And then just for an example:
At turn ONE, the very first turn where I can look to see what he's doing right. He brakes at least a second later than me and steers in.. múch tighter. Not even possible to try in my eyes.

I tried to replicate that brake-turn in move, but it would take maybe even a week for me to even get that first turn. He can't be having that much grip now can he. This is impossible.
It's not like I expected it to be easy. But this is just some kind of supernatural force driving right in front of my eyes when looking at the ghost driving in front of me.

Has anybody ever at least came close to that 2'09.927 ridiculous record? I even thought that it might have been possible the guy is registered on GTPlanet.
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You are right, abnormally fast:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=117596#post3438310

In short, some people modify the pedals to get a little bit of throttle when shifting with the clutch on a G25. This keeps the tork on the wheels high in an abnormal way.

So unless:
1) You use a clutch and are super good at it.
2) You cheat and adapt your throttle to give an abnormal tork.

you will not be able to follow these people.

Try to follow:
5 au GTP_DHolland Ferrari F430 '06 2'10.295 S2/S2 2009/03/24 11:10:00
6 pt meagainstyou Ferrari F430 '06 2'10.345 S2/S2 2009/06/21 23:05:00

they are regulars on this forum (MarkWebber and MeAgainstYou as usernames) and race clean. "DHolland" does not even have a clutch on his wheel if I understood well.

P.S.: in the past people were able to crack the code reprogram Gran Turismo to set great times
 
I have been wondering the same thing as the thread starter.

I picked up GT5 recently, ran a lap in my Ferrari F430 on Suzuka Circuit.
Thought I would at least get within 3 or maybe 2 seconds of the record time. I got 5,5 seconds away from it. Having to do my very best to get within 3,5 seconds.
How the hell does this guy to this.
I followed his ghost replay, for once I can't even generate the starting speed this guy starts off with. And then just for an example:
At turn ONE, the very first turn where I can look to see what he's doing right. He brakes at least a second later than me and steers in.. múch tighter. Not even possible to try in my eyes.

I tried to replicate that brake-turn in move, but it would take maybe even a week for me to even get that first turn. He can't be having that much grip now can he. This is impossible.
It's not like I expected it to be easy. But this is just some kind of supernatural force driving right in front of my eyes when looking at the ghost driving in front of me.

Has anybody ever at least came close to that 2'09.927 ridiculous record? I even thought that it might have been possible the guy is registered on GTPlanet.
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A few problems.

You picked up GT5 "recently". The people with the #1 times have had it since it was launched 2.5 years ago. They have thousands of miles of experience with GT5P. Alot of them have taken part in hot lap competitions like the WRS on a weekly basis for dozens of weeks now, fine tuning their skills. Its amazing how much you can improve in one month if you practice hard enough. These guys have had 30 months to improve.

Next, have you adjusted your brake bias? The cars have equal setups but you can adjust the brake bias, maybe thats how they are able to brake so late going into turn 1.

And these drivers at the top of the time charts are the absolute best in the world. The top .001% of GT drivers. Drivers who have participated in that Gran Turismo Driving School or whatever its called, who have had the opportunity to race real GTRs.

Next, if you don't put in the time they do then there is no reason to expect to beat them or approach them. If your not running the WRS every week or something similar no reason to expect to get within 2 seconds of them. Sadly I lost the passion to be one of the fastest way back in the days of GT4. The amount of time, effort and energy it took was too draining for me. I remember getting within something like .8 of the fastest time ever at Midfield in a 787b, but in the process I had logged over 1,000 laps at Midfield to do it. However there is success stories, cpp214 has improved his skills from a mid level driver to the winning driver of the GT5 Time Trial demo. It can be done if you put the heart and effort into it that cpp214 did. I remember racing GT5P online and he was like sorry guys can join you I'm practicing for the WRS. And all his hard work paid off.

Also someone mentioned in this thread "naturals". A natural is someone who when trying to do something for the first time does it for the most part the correct way. The way they think you should brake in racing, the way they think you should turn and when, etc etc is the way you suppose to do it. So therefore they are a "natural" at racing. There is very little about their driving style they have to change to go faster.

Those of us who are not as natural as these must work harder to weed out incorrect driving habits. Some of us never realize our own bad driving habits. In order to go faster you must figure out what you are doing wrong and you must correct it.

For a natural his footwork etc is already almost perfect, all he has to do is perfect his racing line and other little things.
 
I cannot begin to tell you how many laps and hours I have put into GT5P. It takes an extrodinary amount of practice to get up to those super fast times. When I started WRS I was placed in division 3 silver and have slowly made my way up to division 1 silver. Without practice you cannot expect to be near the top of the boards.
 
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