How do i fix this problem in 2.09 with dfgt

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Now that i got the DFGT and the missing like 7 patches my car acts differently and but for the most part has not been a problem. But now i have experienced a new problem that ive had happen before but now i cant seem to correct it. O.o

Whats happening is on corner entry the car's outer tires will just turn beat red and the car will start to slide a little. Its not on every corner entry but when it does happen i am not: On the gas, On the brake, Shifting Down, or anything.

Im just off the gas slowing down a lil before braking. I have tried messing with camber, Toe, Dampers, Aero, and LSD. I thought before i go trying other things i would ask on here so i don't waste forever trying to fix it.

TY whoever can resolve this for me.

EDIT: Also happens on multiple cars but its worse on my 787b i was tuning last night.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Now that i got the DFGT and the missing like 7 patches my car acts differently and but for the most part has not been a problem. But now i have experienced a new problem that ive had happen before but now i cant seem to correct it. O.o

Whats happening is on corner entry the car's outer tires will just turn beat red and the car will start to slide a little. Its not on every corner entry but when it does happen i am not: On the gas, On the brake, Shifting Down, or anything.

Im just off the gas slowing down a lil before braking. I have tried messing with camber, Toe, Dampers, Aero, and LSD. I thought before i go trying other things i would ask on here so i don't waste forever trying to fix it.

TY whoever can resolve this for me.

EDIT: Also happens on multiple cars but its worse on my 787b i was tuning last night.

Long shot here, but try playing with LSD decel. I was tuning a car very late last night and was experiencing the same thing. Cant remember which way I went, bit I think I went lower and it worked.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Long shot here, but try playing with LSD decel. I was tuning a car very late last night and was experiencing the same thing. Cant remember which way I went, bit I think I went lower and it worked.

My current LSD is 9/8/10 i do beleive. How low would u say i should go? like 8 perhaps. (Still in experimental tuning, new patch and wheel kinda changes a lot)

 

[CyKosis1973]

Could be any number of things, diff decel, front/rear toe, rear EXT, rear spring. Give us the rest of the setup, so we can have a gander 👍

{Cy}

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Could be any number of things, diff decel, front/rear toe, rear EXT, rear spring. Give us the rest of the setup, so we can have a gander 👍

{Cy}

kk. just gimme some time to finish up what im doing and ill post what i have done so far with the tune

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Okay this isnt my 787b but its doing the same problem and it did not do it before. Before i patched my game this car drove perfectly.... but now its doing the same thing listed above. This car was an amazing enduro/fast little tuner but now it just waste tires because of the little problem with the outside tires slipping. I don't remember them changing the amount of angle put on the tire when changing the cam angle so not sure why it would be that. dunno O.o

So heres the Tune: RE Amemiya Rx-7

Upgrades:
Transmission
Lsd

Gernal Stuff:
367 HP
1240 Weight
525 PP
TCS: Anything you want, i sometimes go 1 and sometimes 0
ABS: 1
Steering sensitivity 7

Aerodynamics: 20 / 25

Suspension:
Ride Height: -16 / -13
Spring Rate: 16.2 / 18.2
Dampers Ext: 8 / 6
Dampers Com: 5 / 7
Anti Roll Bar's: 5 / 4
Camber: 1.8 / 1.3
Toe Angle: 0 / -.06

LSD: 10 / 7 / 11

Brake Balance: 5 / 7

Transmission:

1st Gear: 2.765
2nd Gear: 2.059
3rd Gear: 1.593
4th Gear: 1.274
5th Gear: 1.052
6th Gear: .897
Final Gear: 3.4949
Top Speed: 290

Tires: Racing Hards

 

[Motor City Hami]

I would try reversing the brake balance with higher in front. Next, I would look to increase rear camber, though the tuning community seems pretty divided on camber with fast people using both low and high settings. Also, maybe higher LSD decel.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

I would try reversing the brake balance with higher in front. Next, I would look to increase rear camber, though the tuning community seems pretty divided on camber with fast people using both low and high settings. Also, maybe higher LSD decel.

I use camber usually between 1-3 on all my cars. most of time its more like between 1.5-2.5 but still. ill trying camber and those other things. Its fine under breaking though, when this problem happens im doing nothing at all except turning the wheel. -.-

but yeah ill try those tormarrow after school

 

[Stotty]

Are you trail braking (braking whilst starting to turn in)?

 

[CyKosis1973]

Okay this isnt my 787b but its doing the same problem and it did not do it before. Before i patched my game this car drove perfectly.... but now its doing the same thing listed above. This car was an amazing enduro/fast little tuner but now it just waste tires because of the little problem with the outside tires slipping. I don't remember them changing the amount of angle put on the tire when changing the cam angle so not sure why it would be that. dunno O.o

So heres the Tune: RE Amemiya Rx-7

Upgrades:
Transmission
Lsd

Gernal Stuff:
367 HP
1240 Weight
525 PP
TCS: Anything you want, i sometimes go 1 and sometimes 0
ABS: 1
Steering sensitivity 7

Aerodynamics: 20 / 25

Suspension:
Ride Height: -16 / -13
Spring Rate: 18.2 / 16.2
Dampers Ext: 8 / 7
Dampers Com: 6 / 5
Anti Roll Bar's: 5 / 4
Camber: 1.8 / 1.6
Toe Angle: 0.10 / 0.20

LSD: 12 / 16 / 12

Brake Balance: 5 / 7

Transmission:

1st Gear: 2.765
2nd Gear: 2.059
3rd Gear: 1.593
4th Gear: 1.274
5th Gear: 1.052
6th Gear: .897
Final Gear: 3.4949
Top Speed: 290

Tires: Racing Hards

Without having driven the car, I'd make these above changes, initially, to suit myself. I'd have to drive the car after making the above changes to see if it was any cop. IMO, your setup is a little too stiff in the rear and you're probably rolling over the rear tyre occasionally. Also consider raising the rear ride height a tad, to give the suspension a little mroe room to work.

Take MCHamster's advice too, mix and match to see what suits you. Change things incrementally and don't be afraid to go a little crazy with the numbers 👍

{Cy}

 

[Taz69]

Ive gone back to my remote because my DFGT drives the same way. Same setup with remote nice. Use the wheel it just pushes and the front outside tire GLOWS red.. Go back to the remote car drives good. It does this with all my cars thats why my DFGT sits in the corner since 2.09. Cant figure a way to make it work.. Just my 2cents

 

[lldantell]

Okay this isnt my 787b but its doing the same problem and it did not do it before. Before i patched my game this car drove perfectly.... but now its doing the same thing listed above. This car was an amazing enduro/fast little tuner but now it just waste tires because of the little problem with the outside tires slipping. I don't remember them changing the amount of angle put on the tire when changing the cam angle so not sure why it would be that. dunno O.o

So heres the Tune: RE Amemiya Rx-7

Upgrades:
Transmission
Lsd

Gernal Stuff:
367 HP
1240 Weight
525 PP
TCS: Anything you want, i sometimes go 1 and sometimes 0
ABS: 1
Steering sensitivity 7

Aerodynamics: 20 / 25

Suspension:
Ride Height: -16 / -13
Spring Rate: 16.2 / 18.2
Dampers Ext: 8 / 6
Dampers Com: 5 / 7
Anti Roll Bar's: 5 / 4
Camber: 1.8 / 1.3
Toe Angle: 0 / -.06

LSD: 10 / 7 / 11

Brake Balance: 5 / 7

Transmission:

1st Gear: 2.765
2nd Gear: 2.059
3rd Gear: 1.593
4th Gear: 1.274
5th Gear: 1.052
6th Gear: .897
Final Gear: 3.4949
Top Speed: 290

Tires: Racing Hards

The tune looks fine.so how you having problems with your cars grip

 

[lldantell]

Ive gone back to my remote because my DFGT drives the same way. Same setup with remote nice. Use the wheel it just pushes and the front outside tire GLOWS red.. Go back to the remote car drives good. It does this with all my cars thats why my DFGT sits in the corner since 2.09. Cant figure a way to make it work.. Just my 2cents

Maybe your just turning a little bit too fast or entering the corner too fast to.

 

[Yauma9]

Ive gone back to my remote because my DFGT drives the same way. Same setup with remote nice. Use the wheel it just pushes and the front outside tire GLOWS red.. Go back to the remote car drives good. It does this with all my cars thats why my DFGT sits in the corner since 2.09. Cant figure a way to make it work.. Just my 2cents

If you turn the wheel more than 90 degrees it will do the exact same thing you're describing. Had to learn the hard way.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

havent gottena chance to try anything yet but ill answer questions still

Are you trail braking (braking whilst starting to turn in)?

Im not doing anything, im taking a turn without hitting breaks gas or anything. Ill im doing is letting off the gas and my car goes sideways... but it doesnt do it all the time. Its not at high speed were aero can kick in so i knows its not the fact my rear aero is like half the max availability. And it cant be a break issue because im not breaking O.o

The tune looks fine.so how you having problems with your cars grip

Im so confused as well. This car grips amazingly imo for using racing hards as i never really hear tire squel or anything. But then all of a sudden the outside tires will go red and it will go sideways. So im not sure. Before 2.09 even with the DFGT i could run this car crazy aggressive or whatever i wanted and it would just take it like a boss. XD

I even decided to use it for 4h of endurance as it can take turns most cars have to break for or at least let of the gas at full speed while still getting the same amount of laps as other tuners. (i updated like 5 patches so i know tire wear changed)

 

[Adrenaline]

But then all of a sudden the outside tires will go red

If they're 'outside' tires, then it means you're turning, which means you aren't doing 'nothing' which means you're simply driving improperly. Slow down.

 

[Johnnypenso]

havent gottena chance to try anything yet but ill answer questions still

Im not doing anything, im taking a turn without hitting breaks gas or anything. Ill im doing is letting off the gas and my car goes sideways... but it doesnt do it all the time. Its not at high speed were aero can kick in so i knows its not the fact my rear aero is like half the max availability. And it cant be a break issue because im not breaking O.o

Im so confused as well. This car grips amazingly imo for using racing hards as i never really hear tire squel or anything. But then all of a sudden the outside tires will go red and it will go sideways. So im not sure. Before 2.09 even with the DFGT i could run this car crazy aggressive or whatever i wanted and it would just take it like a boss. XD

I even decided to use it for 4h of endurance as it can take turns most cars have to break for or at least let of the gas at full speed while still getting the same amount of laps as other tuners. (i updated like 5 patches so i know tire wear changed)

If I have time tomorrow I'll give your tune a spin and see if it happens to me too. What track and corners are we talking about specifically so I can go right to the source and save some time? Online or offline? Tire wear settings? SRF?

 

[iainoflo85]

Yeah, I agree with Adrenaline. I don't think it's your tune, I think you're just turning the wheel too much. You don't get this with the controller because the controller can't steer at the same angle.

Like Yauma said, anymore than 90 degree turning of the wheel and you will lock the tires.

As Adrenaline said, slow down, you're entering the corner too fast and trying to turn the wheel too much to compensate. That's all. It's normal, happens to everyone with their first wheel. You'll get used to it, and soon realise that it's not the tune at all. Just your driving.

 

[Taz69]

So you shouldnt turn a wheel past 90.. Why dont they say that. Can you set a lock on the wheel or do you just have to practice..

 

[iainoflo85]

So you shouldnt turn a wheel past 90.. Why dont they say that can you set a lock on the wheel or do you just have to practice..

Practice, because some corners at slow speeds require you to turn the wheel more than 90 degrees. Other faster corners don't.

It's very rarely that you will use all 900 degrees of you wheel, and certainly not in track racing. Drifting is another matter.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

If they're 'outside' tires, then it means you're turning, which means you aren't doing 'nothing' which means you're simply driving improperly. Slow down.

I thought that at first but idk, because if i was turning the wheel too much then i would think both front tires would go red insted of just the outside? In terms of speed though... im not sure, i think i would have to have someone else drive the car and get the feel of how fast this tune can go and judge if the car can take turns at say a high speed.... but cant grip well, at the speed.

If I have time tomorrow I'll give your tune a spin and see if it happens to me too. What track and corners are we talking about specifically so I can go right to the source and save some time? Online or offline? Tire wear settings? SRF?

The track i tune my tuners such as amuse's Amemiyas and ect are Nurburing type V. And its generally on slower turns such are around id say 100mph and slower so its not too fast that it can be the rear wind i dont think. In terms of which corners, its completely random, ill do 1 lap and it will not do it, then ill take it next lap same speed/line and then it will. Offline...Tire wear off..SRF off.

Only aids i use are TCS1 and ABS1

Like Yauma said, anymore than 90 degree turning of the wheel and you will lock the tires.

Sometimes the wheel isnt even 90 Degree's yet. Ive had the wheel since september but i havent had the patch since september. For the most part ive gotten the wheel about down id say but i know i could still get better with it... still highly disapointed about my counter steering skill with wheel cant drift anymore

EDIT: Are you guys sure about that 90 Degree turn thing though on the wheel? my brother seems to think it depends highly on the speed your going on which the wheels will lock or not. like example 10-40 mph u can turn say 90 Degree till lock but then 100-120 u can only turn 45 Degrees till lock. O.o derp idk

 

[kleefton]

Every time i go through the long sweeper at tsukuba in a street car i light up the outside front tire. I thought this was normal?

 

[Adrenaline]

I thought that at first but idk, because if i was turning the wheel too much then i would think both front tires would go red insted of just the outside?

Weight transfer. The outside wheel has the most force applied, therefor will heat up first.

...but cant grip well, at the speed.

Yeah, slow down.


Turn of TCS too.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

Weight transfer. The outside wheel has the most force applied, therefor will heat up first.

Yeah, slow down.


Turn of TCS too.

O.o that.... makes so much sense my head exploded. So is it just that i take the turn so fast while so much weight is transfering to one side, that the car just cant take it?

Also why take TCS off?

Or do u mean just on this car because this car really doesnt need it?

 

[iainoflo85]

O.o that.... makes so much sense my head exploded. So is it just that i take the turn so fast while so much weight is transfering to one side, that the car just cant take it?

Also why take TCS off?

Or do u mean just on this car because this car really doesnt need it?

This. Most cars (well nearly all cars) don't "need" TCS.

 

[Adrenaline]

TCS will tend to force more understeer into a car, which is already what you're battling.
It will also add some inconsistencies, due to when it activates and that may be the cause of even more of your issues.

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

I think im so used to TCS1 because ive been using a DS3 for so long. With the wheel im "Experimenting" with taking it off now and again and so far ive noticed that i can "drive" well enough to get around a track with a decent time up to say JGTC level. As soon as u get to JGTC i have a little trouble with like the NSX and GT-R but i mean i never drive with it off.

Im sure if i took it off and got used to it i could use it up to like Group C but i dont think i can drive a 787b or like a Pescarolo Hybride with TCS off.

Ill try to take it off on the amemiya and try and take it slower see what happens, only problem i have is taking it slower is the lap times

Whats a good lap time for the Nurburgring Type V in this car with very similar HP and ECT... I wanna see how im stacking up to some other people with new wheel... Someone plz post a time.

 

[iainoflo85]

Im sure if i took it off and got used to it i could use it up to like Group C but i dont think i can drive a 787b or like a Pescarolo Hybride with TCS off.

I still need it on 1 when driving a 787B (I think it's the only exception). But all other cars, even the other LMP's I don't need it now since getting my DFGT.

 

[Adrenaline]

Ill try to take it off on the amemiya and try and take it slower see what happens, only problem i have is taking it slower is the lap times

The slower you go, the faster you'll go. 👍

 

[DSUjoeDirte9]

The slower you go, the faster you'll go. 👍

I think that works only up to a certain point though

I mean if your tires are red at 140 that most cars have to let off the gas and go at 120, then i think your making time. but at the points this car is going sideways i may be making time if i go slower yeah.

ill give it a try, ive always had a problem if you could call it one.....drving aggressively or pushing the car to its limits i guess you could say. I have had times that i felt like... i could be 3 ft closer to that gas... better push my car faster to a point were im only 1 ft away from it. (lol yes this has had the worst consequences and wrecks i think ive ever seen)