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how do u get a lancer to run heacka fast like subaru spec c sti 
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how do i make good lancer 8 mr launch
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thanks for all the information!!! i can finnally beat my subaru brother that run 7:906 on 400m
damn that is still fast!!!
damn that is still fast!!!- 16
zefffThe Evo equivalent of the Spec-C is the RS...yes the one with the steel wheels. Try it!
wich type or model n year???
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:need a smiley here for "Attempts to resist glib statment in response to thread question":
Fails.
Warning, rant outpouring follows which relates to the gulf between fiction/game and reality.
To get either a Lancer or an Imprezza to go fast, all you need to do is set fire to them and push them off a cliff.
"Too Fast, Too Furious" and it's sequel have a lot to answer for in terms of the brainwashing effect on younger minds.
Gentlemen, unlike in the movies (or GT4), if you want to go fast, repeatedly, under a wide spectrum of conditions, you have to buy a quality car, not a tricked out ricer.
A decent Porsche, TVR, BMW, Ferrari or even some of the top end American cars will bury a Lancer or Imprezza (or a Skyline before anyone brings up that particular straw-man).
If you want a cheap, reliable, car, that will serve you well in everyday life and even have a frisson of sporting pretentions about it, then the Japanese manufacturers do a sterling job.
At the high end of the spectrum (NSX, S2000) they even do a creditible job of making truly sporty cars but they still cannot hold a candle to the makers of the genuine article when it comes to Gran Turismo vehicles (tho' I do think that the NSX is unfairly disdained in 'supercar' circles).
That is not to say that I don't like some of the Nipponese output. Supra's, RX-7's, MX-5's, older Celica's, 200SX's etc are all good cars; it's just that they are not in the same league as the 'genuine' article when it comes to real, sustainable, performance.
Don't take this as a personal attack, drifter916, especially as it has <u>nothing</u> to do with your question {
} it was simply that I saw this thread just at the point when my 'automotive myth' meter had reached maximum capacity ... or was that my Laphroaig level 
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Apologies ... normal service now returned to this thread.
Fails.
Warning, rant outpouring follows which relates to the gulf between fiction/game and reality.
To get either a Lancer or an Imprezza to go fast, all you need to do is set fire to them and push them off a cliff.
"Too Fast, Too Furious" and it's sequel have a lot to answer for in terms of the brainwashing effect on younger minds.
Gentlemen, unlike in the movies (or GT4), if you want to go fast, repeatedly, under a wide spectrum of conditions, you have to buy a quality car, not a tricked out ricer.
A decent Porsche, TVR, BMW, Ferrari or even some of the top end American cars will bury a Lancer or Imprezza (or a Skyline before anyone brings up that particular straw-man).
If you want a cheap, reliable, car, that will serve you well in everyday life and even have a frisson of sporting pretentions about it, then the Japanese manufacturers do a sterling job.
At the high end of the spectrum (NSX, S2000) they even do a creditible job of making truly sporty cars but they still cannot hold a candle to the makers of the genuine article when it comes to Gran Turismo vehicles (tho' I do think that the NSX is unfairly disdained in 'supercar' circles).
That is not to say that I don't like some of the Nipponese output. Supra's, RX-7's, MX-5's, older Celica's, 200SX's etc are all good cars; it's just that they are not in the same league as the 'genuine' article when it comes to real, sustainable, performance.
Don't take this as a personal attack, drifter916, especially as it has <u>nothing</u> to do with your question {
} it was simply that I saw this thread just at the point when my 'automotive myth' meter had reached maximum capacity ... or was that my Laphroaig level .Apologies ... normal service now returned to this thread.
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A WRX STi is a great car, better than most cars on the road today.
The Boxer in the STi has larger cylinders than most V8 set up cars, so that makes up for the lack of cylinders, plus if you remove the TSL (Top Speed Limiter), you can go clean out 190-200mph easy in a STi, and don't even get me started on the DOHC Boxer that Subie has in their new STi's. For you to say they aren't "fast" is just openly admitting you don't know anything about cars.
sukerkin, I know you think you are king of everything that moves, but you clearly do not not anything about cars, I have read many of your past posts, and you don't even have a solid grasp on Suspension Tuning, and yet, you sit here and tell us that an STi is a "ricer".
Let's break down the STi.
First, what drive train set up is it. It is a DCCD available Symmetrical AWD system, in English, this means it is an intelligent electronic AWD system, that when wanted, can be adjusted by the driver to handle more like a front wheel, or rear wheel drive car. Few cars have this, and the ones that do, are well over the $30,000 price tag that Subaru tries to sell all their cars in. Read about it here: http://www.subaru.com/allwheeldrive/ver2005/index.jsp
So we knocked 2 things, low price, advanced drive train.
Next, on to the suspension and chassis. The chassis is a Rally designed chassis, with an adjustable type suspension, many people don't know this, but the STi's main suspension design is hand adjustable.. plus you can get a load of upgrade parts for it from SPT (Subaru Performance Tuning), for relatively cheap, under $3,000. So for a whopping price of $35,000, you now have a car that HAS been named best handling car in it's class (this class includes, the legend Skyline GTR). Find a good amount of information here: http://www.subaru.com/shop/overview.jsp?model=IMPREZA&trim=WRX_STI_SEDAN
On to the engine. The engine is a boxer set up, now, I know you probably don't know a lot about Boxers. A boxer engine is a vertically opposed cylinder engine, most super cars (like the RUF/Porches you described), have a boxer, but yet, it cost $90,000 in their set ups, and is VERY unreliable. In a Subaru, it has a large cylinder boxer, where the cylinders are quite large, which means they can make a smaller, more dependable, very powerful engine, for cheap. This engine is a big turbo inter-cooled engine, and I know what you are thinking "Turbo=Lag". WRONG! The Turbo in any WRX DOES NOT LAG, I have been in a 2.5RS, STi, Standard WRX, and the new TR, and have not felt any "lag" from an un-reved launch too.
The engine puts out 300 Horsepower, which in fact, it puts out more like 310-315 HP, that is a big number for a "ricer" when it comes stock. When I rev my little "ricer" Subie up to 4000RPM (mind you that is a low RPM, I am producing 300lb/ft of torque. That's another high number for a "ricer". So right there, you have all the power you will need, in fact, most real world RACE CARS, don't go past the 375 HP mark, and yet the do 200 MPH, why.. BECAUSE OF THE TRANSMISSION.
On to the transmission. You have a few options for this, you can go with a standard 6 Speed, or a Short Throw 6 Speed, the standard can push to about 200mph with the right tires and no TSL, the STS goes to about 170mph, more used for a tight road race, or 1/4 mile. So the transmission is also a plus. A BIG PLUS!
Brakes are another important thing aren't they? The STi has them too, a nice Big Brembo Brake kit, one of the best brake kits offered for this size car, and trust me, they do a great job at stopping the car safely, and if you floor it and slam while turning, the ABS kicks in and keeps the car going, doesn't lock up and cause you to smash into a wall, like a lot of $500,000 Super cars would do.
The Subaru is also dependable, you can beat the living hell out of one of these cars, and it won't fail. These are what you call "bullet proof" cars, 300,000+ miles on the engine before it shows signs of dying, most Super cars can only get up to 100,000 before they simply die, and need $1000's in repairs.
So I ask you, how is a Subaru a slow car? It has everything it needs to go around the track, it is safe, reliably, it is a fast car, and it is affordable. It seems like the perfect race car to me.
Now, I know all of this for a fact, I live around cars, and I know first hand what this car can do... rather than play a damn video game, why don't you go to a real race track, and say what you are trying to say here, I bet you will soon realize you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.
Also, A ricer is a car that is made by the owner to look fast, by too many stickers of parts that aren't in the car, crazy paint jobs, none aerodynamic body kits, big spoilers on front wheel drive cars, cut stock springs, big chrome rims, fake parts.. and so on. You are also a ricer if you think you know about cars, but really talk out your arse, or go by what a movie or video game says (<< YOU!).
And finally, don't judge a car by it's price tag... the price means nothing in terms of it's true performance.
The Boxer in the STi has larger cylinders than most V8 set up cars, so that makes up for the lack of cylinders, plus if you remove the TSL (Top Speed Limiter), you can go clean out 190-200mph easy in a STi, and don't even get me started on the DOHC Boxer that Subie has in their new STi's. For you to say they aren't "fast" is just openly admitting you don't know anything about cars.
sukerkin, I know you think you are king of everything that moves, but you clearly do not not anything about cars, I have read many of your past posts, and you don't even have a solid grasp on Suspension Tuning, and yet, you sit here and tell us that an STi is a "ricer".
Let's break down the STi.
First, what drive train set up is it. It is a DCCD available Symmetrical AWD system, in English, this means it is an intelligent electronic AWD system, that when wanted, can be adjusted by the driver to handle more like a front wheel, or rear wheel drive car. Few cars have this, and the ones that do, are well over the $30,000 price tag that Subaru tries to sell all their cars in. Read about it here: http://www.subaru.com/allwheeldrive/ver2005/index.jsp
So we knocked 2 things, low price, advanced drive train.
Next, on to the suspension and chassis. The chassis is a Rally designed chassis, with an adjustable type suspension, many people don't know this, but the STi's main suspension design is hand adjustable.. plus you can get a load of upgrade parts for it from SPT (Subaru Performance Tuning), for relatively cheap, under $3,000. So for a whopping price of $35,000, you now have a car that HAS been named best handling car in it's class (this class includes, the legend Skyline GTR). Find a good amount of information here: http://www.subaru.com/shop/overview.jsp?model=IMPREZA&trim=WRX_STI_SEDAN
On to the engine. The engine is a boxer set up, now, I know you probably don't know a lot about Boxers. A boxer engine is a vertically opposed cylinder engine, most super cars (like the RUF/Porches you described), have a boxer, but yet, it cost $90,000 in their set ups, and is VERY unreliable. In a Subaru, it has a large cylinder boxer, where the cylinders are quite large, which means they can make a smaller, more dependable, very powerful engine, for cheap. This engine is a big turbo inter-cooled engine, and I know what you are thinking "Turbo=Lag". WRONG! The Turbo in any WRX DOES NOT LAG, I have been in a 2.5RS, STi, Standard WRX, and the new TR, and have not felt any "lag" from an un-reved launch too.
The engine puts out 300 Horsepower, which in fact, it puts out more like 310-315 HP, that is a big number for a "ricer" when it comes stock. When I rev my little "ricer" Subie up to 4000RPM (mind you that is a low RPM, I am producing 300lb/ft of torque. That's another high number for a "ricer". So right there, you have all the power you will need, in fact, most real world RACE CARS, don't go past the 375 HP mark, and yet the do 200 MPH, why.. BECAUSE OF THE TRANSMISSION.
On to the transmission. You have a few options for this, you can go with a standard 6 Speed, or a Short Throw 6 Speed, the standard can push to about 200mph with the right tires and no TSL, the STS goes to about 170mph, more used for a tight road race, or 1/4 mile. So the transmission is also a plus. A BIG PLUS!
Brakes are another important thing aren't they? The STi has them too, a nice Big Brembo Brake kit, one of the best brake kits offered for this size car, and trust me, they do a great job at stopping the car safely, and if you floor it and slam while turning, the ABS kicks in and keeps the car going, doesn't lock up and cause you to smash into a wall, like a lot of $500,000 Super cars would do.
The Subaru is also dependable, you can beat the living hell out of one of these cars, and it won't fail. These are what you call "bullet proof" cars, 300,000+ miles on the engine before it shows signs of dying, most Super cars can only get up to 100,000 before they simply die, and need $1000's in repairs.
So I ask you, how is a Subaru a slow car? It has everything it needs to go around the track, it is safe, reliably, it is a fast car, and it is affordable. It seems like the perfect race car to me.
Now, I know all of this for a fact, I live around cars, and I know first hand what this car can do... rather than play a damn video game, why don't you go to a real race track, and say what you are trying to say here, I bet you will soon realize you haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about.
Also, A ricer is a car that is made by the owner to look fast, by too many stickers of parts that aren't in the car, crazy paint jobs, none aerodynamic body kits, big spoilers on front wheel drive cars, cut stock springs, big chrome rims, fake parts.. and so on. You are also a ricer if you think you know about cars, but really talk out your arse, or go by what a movie or video game says (<< YOU!).
And finally, don't judge a car by it's price tag... the price means nothing in terms of it's true performance.
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Oh dear.
All other points aside, I just thought I'd address this claim:
Frontal area on an Impreza STi is roughly 24 square feet. The drag coefficient of the sedan version is 0.33. This means that at 190mph - the low end of your claim - it needs to shovel roughly 775lb of air (well... 740lb of air, 35lb of friction with the ground) out of the way.
775lb of resistance at 190mph requires 392.67hp. At the wheel. Given that Imprezas are AWD, that's roughly 523.56hp at the crank (using the standard Rolling Road reverse estimate technique - it's likely to be out, but since the required wheel power figure already exceeds the Impreza's stock crank power figure it's largely irrelevant how out it is).
So it's not just the "top speed limiter" - which only exists in the UK on the WR1 model, which I should further add is claimed by Subaru to be the "most powerful Impreza ever made" at an official 320hp - which needs to be removed in order to get an Impreza of any variety to 190mph. It requires 70 more hp at the wheel than any standard Impreza has ever shipped with at the crank.
I should further add that in the UK the standard Impreza has 227hp, with 250hp from the STi versions - down on even the claimed 276hp "Gentleman's Agreement" figure of the JDM cars.
All other points aside, I just thought I'd address this claim:
-Cheezman-
Frontal area on an Impreza STi is roughly 24 square feet. The drag coefficient of the sedan version is 0.33. This means that at 190mph - the low end of your claim - it needs to shovel roughly 775lb of air (well... 740lb of air, 35lb of friction with the ground) out of the way.
775lb of resistance at 190mph requires 392.67hp. At the wheel. Given that Imprezas are AWD, that's roughly 523.56hp at the crank (using the standard Rolling Road reverse estimate technique - it's likely to be out, but since the required wheel power figure already exceeds the Impreza's stock crank power figure it's largely irrelevant how out it is).
So it's not just the "top speed limiter" - which only exists in the UK on the WR1 model, which I should further add is claimed by Subaru to be the "most powerful Impreza ever made" at an official 320hp - which needs to be removed in order to get an Impreza of any variety to 190mph. It requires 70 more hp at the wheel than any standard Impreza has ever shipped with at the crank.
I should further add that in the UK the standard Impreza has 227hp, with 250hp from the STi versions - down on even the claimed 276hp "Gentleman's Agreement" figure of the JDM cars.
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Famine
Well yes... but I was refering to a dyno test I have seen.
Aside from this though, please, point out any thing that may be wrong with that long post above, please do, because you know what you are talking about, so I would be proud enough to take a correction from you. 👍
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Pretty good post, Cheezman, full of information, even if a lot of it was kind of slanted to be a personal attack on me and some of it is not necessarily as cut-and-dried as all that.
I don't know as I deserved some of the more intense vitriol, especially as an engineer, but everyone's entitled to their opinion; I don't happen to share the view that Japanese cars are yet ready to accept the mantle of being the equal of the top European manufacturers but their time will come I'm sure.
Meantime, I'll happily leave this alone, other than the 'ricer' angle, which is something that does need addressing. When I talk about 'ricers', I'm speaking of the same things as you I reckon (huge, functionless, spoilers, overly-lowered, neons-underneath etc) - however, looking at the post I made above (now that I'm sober) it does give the impression that I'm lumping Lancers and Impreza's into that camp ... I wasn't and my apologies if that got up your nose. It was a post of inflammatory nature so I can't moan about a little flaming can I?
Just to set the record a little straight on some things, I do happen to have personal experience of the difference in performance between (amongst many) an old Lancer, an Impreza, a number of (again old) Firebird's and Camaro's and a singular, boat-like, Caprice (huge blush as that is the missus's car). Plus, on the sportier side, a race-prepped Ford Escort Cosworth, a Ferrari F40, a Ferrari 308 GTB, a Lotus Esprit GT, various Porsche's/Mercedes/BMW's et al and a bone fide Bathurst V8 Supercar - being relatively poor myself, most of this comes from the advantage of having wealthy in-laws who race as a hobby (including Le Mans) and having also been around for more than four decades. So my opinions are not all learned from Clarkson 
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I don't know as I deserved some of the more intense vitriol, especially as an engineer, but everyone's entitled to their opinion; I don't happen to share the view that Japanese cars are yet ready to accept the mantle of being the equal of the top European manufacturers but their time will come I'm sure.
Meantime, I'll happily leave this alone, other than the 'ricer' angle, which is something that does need addressing. When I talk about 'ricers', I'm speaking of the same things as you I reckon (huge, functionless, spoilers, overly-lowered, neons-underneath etc) - however, looking at the post I made above (now that I'm sober) it does give the impression that I'm lumping Lancers and Impreza's into that camp ... I wasn't and my apologies if that got up your nose. It was a post of inflammatory nature so I can't moan about a little flaming can I
?Just to set the record a little straight on some things, I do happen to have personal experience of the difference in performance between (amongst many) an old Lancer, an Impreza, a number of (again old) Firebird's and Camaro's and a singular, boat-like, Caprice (huge blush as that is the missus's car). Plus, on the sportier side, a race-prepped Ford Escort Cosworth, a Ferrari F40, a Ferrari 308 GTB, a Lotus Esprit GT, various Porsche's/Mercedes/BMW's et al and a bone fide Bathurst V8 Supercar - being relatively poor myself, most of this comes from the advantage of having wealthy in-laws who race as a hobby (including Le Mans) and having also been around for more than four decades
. So my opinions are not all learned from Clarkson .
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sukerkinPretty good post, Cheezman, full of information, even if a lot of it was kind of slanted to be a personal attack on me and some of it is not necessarily as cut-and-dried as all that.
I don't know as I deserved some of the more intense vitriol, especially as an engineer, but everyone's entitled to their opinion; I don't happen to share the view that Japanese cars are yet ready to accept the mantle of being the equal of the top European manufacturers but their time will come I'm sure.
Meantime, I'll happily leave this alone, other than the 'ricer' angle, which is something that does need addressing. When I talk about 'ricers', I'm speaking of the same things as you I reckon (huge, functionless, spoilers, overly-lowered, neons-underneath etc) - however, looking at the post I made above (now that I'm sober) it does give the impression that I'm lumping Lancers and Impreza's into that camp ... I wasn't and my apologies if that got up your nose. It was a post of inflammatory nature so I can't moan about a little flaming can I
Just to set the record a little straight on some things, I do happen to have personal experience of the difference in performance between (amongst many) an old Lancer, an Impreza, a number of (again old) Firebird's and Camaro's and a singular, boat-like, Caprice (huge blush as that is the missus's car). Plus, on the sportier side, a race-prepped Ford Escort Cosworth, a Ferrari F40, a Ferrari 308 GTB, a Lotus Esprit GT, various Porsche's/Mercedes/BMW's et al and a bone fide Bathurst V8 Supercar - being relatively poor myself, most of this comes from the advantage of having wealthy in-laws who race as a hobby (including Le Mans) and having also been around for more than four decades
Don't take the insults personally, I will insult anyone for any reason fit, once you get to know me, you will understand
... I'm glad you see where I am coming from though, of course European sports cars are quite fast, quite expensive, and are awesome, but that doesn't mean an STi or Evo is a "ricer". Now on the other hand, Japan does put out some awful cars that I personally bash on my self, one of the many is the Honda Civic, I can not STAND that little FF pile of junk (my opinion). I apologize for being a total a-hole toward you though, but I just can't stand when people beat down on cars just because where they come from, or their price tag. Me, I look at cars from many perspectives. First being how well it handles, how dependable it is, how much the engine can put out, what it's safety rating is, it's MSRP, where it comes from, what the company puts into the car, what options it has, which automotive "group" prefers the car. Any car can be classed as "fast", but not many cars can be classed as "How the hell can it be that fast". I just wish more people would be open minded toward the markets, because they all offer something to be deemed "good".
Again, I apologize for the way I acted toward you, but I am a major car enthusiast, and I will defend my belifes... LOL, call it stupid, but you would be surprised at how many people end up having respect toward people who state their opinion with facts. Also, I do not want to see this topic dropped, because, I assume you have many good points to go through, and I would love to hear them (yes, I respect your opinion!).
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zefff
The UK doesn't get non-turbo Lancers. As a matter of fact, we get more powerful Lancers than anywhere else in the world, including Japan.
We DO get 2.0 non-turbo Imprezas - badged "Impreza Sport" - but they are quite rare, and earlier Imprezas (Classic shape) were never sold as non-turbo cars.
I can base my opinion off the best driver's Impreza ever (rated by Evo in an Impreza group test), the classic-shape RB5, and the most powerful production Impreza ever (in Europe), the Impreza-III-shape WR1. That is to say that they are staggeringly fast, but really cheaply put together (the paint is so thin that a particularly unpleasant curryfart will strip it) with quite poor interiors and, when they go wrong, they go wra-hong.
As for not having lag... Click me - there's a race 7' in which can be accessed by clicking the fifth picture.
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Famine
Can you back this statement up with proof, because last time I checked, our (United States) Lancer Evolutions (MR Spec) were the better of all the ones sold by Mitsubishi Motors. Now, I'm not saying you are wrong, or lying, because I truly do not know...
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Famine
Not quite true, non Turbo Lancers are now very much imported into the UK.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/lancer/
-Cheezman-
The Lancer Evo MR FQ-400 was rated as the fastest/most powerful model of Evo produced, running at 400bhp, it was avaliable as a UK only car in the Evo VIII range. Heres an example
http://www.channel4.com/4car/road-t...s-2004/M/mitsubishi/evo-fq400/evo-fq-400.html
The most powerful version in the current Evo IX range is the 340bhp FQ-340 which can be seen here
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/evolution/range.asp
Either of them are more powerful than the US spec MR
Regards
Scaff
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zefff
ROFL - this just goes to show that you should never air your (mostly jesting) prejudices on the net when you've been at the Laphroaig; other posters won't let you let it go
.If someone was to offer me a Lancer or an Imprezza I'd snatch his hand off - they're so much better (performance wise) than anything I'm ever likely to afford {unless I get a cast-off from the in-laws :looks hopeful:}.
However, I have to confess that I would sell it and buy a second-hand TVR Cerbera (Speed Six not a V8 (even tho' I love their warble)) ... or maybe a Chimera as I'd like to continue living
. Men in their mid-forties (i.e. me) sitting in 'aggressive' sporty cars just don't look right (or at least I'd feel uncomfortable with it). It's an image-clash type of effect. Now an Aston Martin on the other hand ... mmm ... nothing says "Mid-Life Crisis" with quite so much panache
.One of my (sort of) regrets is that I didn't buy a Vantage (for only £33500) when I had the chance a few years ago - I bought a house instead
.I do, however, feel that what I think of as 'proper' sports cars are, in the end, better overall performers than their Japanese counterparts, in terms of the kind of driving I like.
In a four-pot, big-turbo, car, I imagine that things get a little too frenetic for my taste, with the necessity to keep in the right rev-range. That's where a lovely, big, V8 or V12 with all the torque you could ever wish for comes into play. Plus there's a beautiful exhaust note instead of an annoying waste-gate whistle. Then there's the whole 'comfort and luxury' issue of course, along with build and finish quality.
In part it's a matter of taste and image of course and I openly confess that the "2F2F" fan-base has had a negative effect on that as far as I'm concerned. It's shallow I know and I should know better at my age, particularly as I used to passionately be in the 'Lancer' camp not too long ago (with regard to the Lancer vs Imprezza debate) but that's the way it is :blush:.
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Mostly unrelated to the above, a big thumbs-up to Cheezman for both accepting my apology for being somewhat of a numpty and proferring his own. One thing I always feel we're missing from the Smiley list is one of a hand extended to be shaken ... so please imagine one here.
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sukerkin
Pick your hand:
@Scaff, I forgot about the FQ-400.. I thought Japan also got the FQ-400, this is why I was wondering how England had the "best" one. I am pretty sure it's first release was to the Japanese market (like all Lancer Evolutions)... I guess not though.
Well thanks for the tid-bit of information.
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-Cheezman-@Scaff, I forgot about the FQ-400.. I thought Japan also got the FQ-400, this is why I was wondering how England had the "best" one. I am pretty sure it's first release was to the Japanese market (like all Lancer Evolutions)... I guess not though.
Well thanks for the tid-bit of information.
Nope the FQ-400 was a UK only model produced by Mitsubishi UK, any that may have ended up in Japan would have come from the UK.
Regards
Scaff
Thanks to Scaff for filling people in with some truth but the new Lancer is a bag of shyte! Have you seen the bolt ons?
As for 'best Evolution', forget it! They are all manufactured in Japan AFAIK. All the UK FQ*** models are based off of the JDM models (GSR, RS, GT) which are imported and tinkered with slightly.
Famine, I was asking about Sukerkins opinion, not yours my freind. We couldnt even by an official UK Evolution up until the late 90's but you could still get a grey Evo, old Lancer turbo or lancer if you wanted. Not that it matters.
Sukerkin, no worries mate but buying a car is one thing and running it is another. Especially when TVR's are notorious for being more off the road than on it!...dont get me wrong though Evo's have their own problems, particularly if we are talking about the FQ400
The 'best' allround for me is probably the VIII MR RS. I would have said IX GT if it didnt have the MIVEC engine.
Have you seen the bolt ons? As for 'best Evolution', forget it! They are all manufactured in Japan AFAIK. All the UK FQ*** models are based off of the JDM models (GSR, RS, GT) which are imported and tinkered with slightly.
Famine, I was asking about Sukerkins opinion, not yours my freind. We couldnt even by an official UK Evolution up until the late 90's but you could still get a grey Evo, old Lancer turbo or lancer if you wanted. Not that it matters.
Sukerkin, no worries mate but buying a car is one thing and running it is another. Especially when TVR's are notorious for being more off the road than on it!...dont get me wrong though Evo's have their own problems, particularly if we are talking about the FQ400
The 'best' allround for me is probably the VIII MR RS. I would have said IX GT if it didnt have the MIVEC engine.
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Quite right they are all produced in Japan, but the UK models are built to UK specification and the FQ versions are built up to spec in the UK. I would however say that the FQ 340 and 400 were more than 'slightly' tinkered with, and all the FQ variants carry full warranties as the work is carried out by Mitsu UK.
Still the 4,500 mile service intervals have got to hurt.
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