How far do you want GT5 to go before GT6?

[daus26]

Looking at the facts, GT5 underwhelmed a lot of people. If you think about it, it makes sense considering the fact that Kaz felt it was incomplete and wanted 2 more years on it. Because of this, we've been getting a lot of updates on the game. These updates have changed the game in so many ways and scale that GT5 at launch, seemed more like a beta than a full game.

Version 1.10 probably won't be the last update on the game. People are still looking forward to some features and content. What I want to know is how much and how long do you guys want PD to support GT5, before they really start working on GT6... because realistically, they can't update and support the game forever.

By the time GT5 gets its final update, it probably won't be close to what it was when it released, so at a business standpoint, would they rather market an updated GT5 (i.e. LBP GOY edition), or a whole new GT6, in the near future? They also have to look at the fact that competition is hot, and the longer they support GT5, the more they might have to catch up to the competition with GT6, because I assume GT6 is the game that can not only stand up to the competition, but surpass it. I just don't see an updated GT5 being able to compete at a business stand point in the near future with the fact that updated games don't get as much buzz as new games.

This is something even Kaz isn't sure of himself. Perhaps, we can give him our thoughts, whether or not it has any influence. He did say that he and his team are continuing to work on cars and tracks, but unsure on whether or not it'll be for GT5 or GT6. What we can hope for at least though, are some standards being upgraded to premiums. We may also receive some completely new tracks and cars, but like I said before, how many will it take to satisfy you guys, before some contents/features start getting preserved for GT6.

On an unrelated note, I've broken my left arm and ankle and really miss playing the game. How I wish I can drive in GT5 again. Ever since the incident, I've been doing little and just thinking about the game, so I really had to let this out, being a person that really hates to create a thread here. Anyway, as for me, I'm personally content with the game because the online already have everything I need. If there was one thing I want a bit more of are either more track or a better track creator. There are a lot of things I want, but it would make more sense if they were preserved for GT6.

 

[Zuku]

Well people have tried to give Kaz their thoughts seems he's not really listening.

I know for certain people wouldn't care or be so disappointed by these updates if he did the following. Release more tracks like Midfield, Apricot, SSR11, New York, and maybe 2 more tracks from previous GT's. Converted maybe 20 new cars to premium, and actually make a real attempt at addressing the AI issue in the offline part of the game.

Just that alone would bump the game up for some people oh and actually adding maybe 100 new races to offline part not in the way of seasonals.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Looking at the facts, GT5 underwhelmed a lot of people...

I stopped reading at that point, I'm afraid. If you're unable to separate fact and opinion then the rest of the OP is doomed.

 

[Willfred_1]

I want to see that pd uses gt5 as an unofficial beta for gt6 whether that's testing out new modes or tracks I also think pd need to employ more people in different countries meaning that a wider selection of premium cars can be available to us the only trouble is the capabilities of the PS3 console

 

[jjaisli]

I'm not a traditional GT player. The first GT game I ever owned was Prologue. But I've played a lot of PS3 racing games. And over time, I grew increasingly disenchanted at the arcade nature of most console racing games and I've been sitting on the fence about switching over to PC gaming and some more dedicated simulation oriented racing since last fall. I wanted "more" and I wasn't getting it.

In a way, I don't think I was as disappointed by GT5 as many traditional GT players. But that's because I don't care about career mode. Other than practice and car setup, I never find myself in single player. I disliked the idea of 'buying' cars or earning credits. And I find the idea of racing against a bunch of useless, hapless AI to be rather dreary and boring. Don't even get me started on B-spec.

It's far from perfect but I find the online portion of GT to be an excellent simulation. It's 90% of what I wanted out of a racing sim. And I think the framework is already there that PD could keep GT5 going for a long time. It needs some tweaks to the physics, the slipstream, the FFB, some small bug fixes and a lot of 'little' improvements to make things better and offer better or more sophisticated options.

But from my own personal point of view, if they would address these issues, and offer monthly expansion packs with 1 track and 5 premium cars every month, I'd probably end up buying all of them. (At least, real world tracks--I don't much care for most of PD's home brew creations in GT5/GT5P). And this would keep me going for a very long time. In fact, the idea of buying a GT6 in another year (or 2, or 5--whenever) and having to re-run all of those tedious and boring A-spec events again just to buy the cars I want to run online races is not very appealing. But I guess I'm in the minority.

I hope they keep tweaking and improving GT5. And paid for DLC would be a way to finance it. But I just don't understand the direction they're going. I could care less about racing garb (Geez--give me a break). And it's mind boggling that PD could be working on useless, pointless dribble like this instead of new content or fixing the over-boosted slipstream or adjusting the tire compounds so a racing hard doesn't last any longer than a racing soft tire, or giving us working leaderboards). But the fact that PD doesn't have it's own open forum and the only direct way customers can connect with Kazunori is through his twitter account suggests that they're a bit out of touch with what their customers really want.

 

[bass264]

I want to see that pd uses gt5 as an unofficial beta for gt6 whether that's testing out new modes or tracks I also think pd need to employ more people in different countries meaning that a wider selection of premium cars can be available to us the only trouble is the capabilities of the PS3 console

Exactly!!! If they employ people in different countries then they don't have to fly to different countries to model the cars. The workers in different countries could be assigned to model cars from as much manufactures as they can within their country. This would be cost effective because if GT6 had a huge number of premium cars and tracks then it could become the best selling simulator game of all time.

 

[McClarenDesign]

I'd like the support to continue until slightly after GT6 Prologue is unveiled at E3 or wherever.

 

[Wools]

Looking at the facts, GT5 underwhelmed a lot of people. If you think about it, it makes sense considering the fact that Kaz felt it was incomplete and wanted 2 more years on it. Because of this, we've been getting a lot of updates on the game. These updates have changed the game in so many ways and scale that GT5 at launch, seemed more like a beta than a full game.

Version 1.10 probably won't be the last update on the game. People are still looking forward to some features and content. What I want to know is how much and how long do you guys want PD to support GT5, before they really start working on GT6... because realistically, they can't update and support the game forever.

There are a lot of things I want, but it would make more sense if they were preserved for GT6.

I think GT5 was the very definition of schizophrenic. It’s clear that Polyphony are talented and produced some of the most beautiful car models and handling characteristics of any simulator. However, there were so many problems, it’s difficult to know where to start and they’ve been said a thousand times anyway.

I brought GT5 on release day and had re-arranged my place to accommodate an Ikea Chair, Wheel Stand Pro and a Logitech GT Pro Wheel. I had a honeymoon period where nothing came close, but slowly the cracks started to appear. The grinding for money was back, the unrelenting career structure remained, the focus on Japanese cars was rigid and they couldn’t let go the standard model cars, leaving us with a huge discrepancy between them and the premium class. In February 2011, I let my PS3 and Wheel go, after hitting a brick wall with the grinding, and not being placated with the seasonal events.

I’ve been an avid fan of GT since the PlayStation original but the series has been following its own path, without deviating to look at the competition or stepping back to see what it’s become. Gran Turismo 5 is a marvellous engine, wrapped in a sumptuous exterior, but it’s confused what it wants to be and what the fans want to play.

Forza Motorsport 4 is on the horizon and looks like the breath of fresh air Forza 3 was during the GT5 Prologue era. Although I no longer own the console, I think Polyphony would benefit from keeping the engine, tool set and current content, but making a clean break for it with GT6. Look at the career structure, choose a defined but by no means humongous car list, and start afresh.

Gran Turismo 6 could be the game we were all hoping GT5 would be.

 

[seanchump]

I’ve been an avid fan of GT since the PlayStation original but the series has been following its own path, without deviating to look at the competition or stepping back to see what it’s become. Gran Turismo 5 is a marvellous engine, wrapped in a sumptuous exterior, but it’s confused what it wants to be and what the fans want to play.

...I think Polyphony would benefit from keeping the engine, tool set and current content, but making a clean break for it with GT6. Look at the career structure, choose a defined but by no means humongous car list, and start afresh.

Gran Turismo 6 could be the game we were all hoping GT5 would be.

I wish there was an emoticon for slow clap. 👍 I could not agree with you more! GT5 is a strong foundation to build a great game from. The key for GT6 is Premium Cars, Additional Tracks, Improved Game Structure, and more Options/Customization. Here's hoping PD listens to their fans and nails it.

 

[uMadson?]

Three letters (again): Dee Ell Cee.

GT6 only if everything needs to be re-done from scratch.

 

[shigllgetcha]

GT6 wont be on PS3, itll be on the next sony console and itll be ready for release day. Id say itll be an improved GT5 more than a ground up build

There wouldnt be any need for GT6P on PS3 as it would just be a tweaked GT5, maybe the next sony console

 

[CAMAROBOY69]

I have been playing GT for at least 10-11 years, maybe longer. PD killed GT5 by not finishing the game. 20% of the cars are premium which means only 20% of the cars can be used for all the features in the game. The standard cars that were imported from the PSP are just plain insulting for a game that took 5-6 years to develop. I listed all the positive and negative features in several other threads. But the standard cars truly killed this game for me.

I dont even want to hear anything about GT6 until ALL the cars in GT5 are premium. In fact GT5 will be the last GT game I own if all the standard cars are not patched to be premium before GT6 comes out. PD REALLY needs to start outsourcing if they want to meet their goals within a 5-6 year period. Especially since other games are able to do this in 2 years.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

How far do you want GT5 to go before GT6?

What?

As far as I'm concerned, GT5 has been over for any enthusiastic anticipatory gaming purposes, other than maybe "online". However, I don't consider that "the game".
They are two entirely different things to me.

All the DLC in the world, cannot address the core failings of this game.

After almost 6yrs to get GT5, GT6 probably hasn't even been started yet other than carry over from GT5. (which is 🤬 little I hope)

BTW after playing GT4 for 3 yrs or so, (which had 700-800 cars) I can confidently say I probably never drove half the cars in the game.

I hope they will concentrate on 500 to 600 premiums with a decent progression scheme and single player content along with many of the feedback section recommendations that are actually beneficial for GT6.

 

[Turkey :D]

I want all of the GT4 tracks in-game, a premium e30 and premium ae86. I don't think that's asking too much, really. Theses should have been in-game from the start.

 

[JoeMaPampang]

How far do you want GT5 to go before GT6?

What?

As far as I'm concerned, GT5 has been over for any enthusiastic anticipatory gaming purposes, other than maybe "online". However, I don't consider that "the game".
They are two entirely different things to me.

All the DLC in the world, cannot address the core failings of this game.

After almost 6yrs to get GT5, GT6 probably hasn't even been started yet other than carry over from GT5. (which is 🤬 little I hope)

BTW after playing GT4 for 3 yrs or so, (which had 700-800 cars) I can confidently say I probably never drove half the cars in the game.

I hope they will concentrate on 500 to 600 premiums with a decent progression scheme and single player content along with many of the feedback section recommendations that are actually beneficial for GT6.

Here is the answer too all your problems:tup:

 

[another_jakhole]

SERIOUSLY? ^^^^ Can we ban him from the GT section? Someone, please?

Version 1.10 probably won't be the last update on the game. People are still looking forward to some features and content. What I want to know is how much and how long do you guys want PD to support GT5, before they really start working on GT6... because realistically, they can't update and support the game forever.

They have a separate team working the Online Updates. I'm not sure how they divide the work up, but that's all I know.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Here is the answer too all your problems:tup:

Its not "the" answer.

That can only be addressed with a GT game on par feature wise with GT4.

However it is "a" answer, as in alternative.

I have and play FM3.

Unfortunately GT5's inadequacies make FM3 a much better game than it should be entitled to.
Thats not to say its a bad game. Its pretty good.
Just that a next gen GT game with prior levels of quality would make it pale in comparison.

 

[Big Ron]

Its not "the" answer.

That can only be addressed with a GT game on par feature wise with GT4.

However it is "a" answer, as in alternative.

I have and play FM3.

Unfortunately GT5's inadequacies make FM3 a much better game than it should be entitled to.
Thats not to say its a bad game. Its pretty good.
Just that a next gen GT game with prior levels of quality would make it pale in comparison.

To be serious, Forza gets more and more THE answer.

 

[MuRRe]

It doesn't matter really, GT2 is the only wheel and it's just too expensive for what you get.
GT2 + CSP + Shifter 450+ USD/Euro.
T500RS is around 450 euro/550 USD.
Microsoft is killing themselves in this matter
(I don't have a wheel no, BUT 360 isn't really an option until they "fix" their price that third party manufacturers have to pay)

 

[VQuick]

A DLC pack or two would be nice. Just something to say 'We're working on GT6, and it will be out in two years. GT6 will have more content than GT5. Here's a taste of what's to come.'

 

[Cucobr]

Forza?

Forza is Gran Turismo wanna be... but impossible to sucesss.

Gran Turismo is the Best Race Simulator ever;

 

[sheepborg]

As far as i can tell gt5 was a transition game. They started ground up with a new physics engine and that sort of thing, so that is one logical transition. Then next transition was from the regular gt4 models that are now called standard to the new wave of higher definition more modern models that are called premium. My best guess says it was taking much to long to develop so they put out the game with the new models and enough old to try and compensate. There are many other very... experimental sorts of features in it as well. Nascar, carts, driver gear, then new level style, and the differing style of rally driving are little toes testing the water to know what was current.

GT5 will continue to get updates for the next while, but when the last of the test features are out and then they will stop completely with the support except for online. After 6 months of the correct content being implemented there will be a trailer for the new game. And then we will get it all, no prologue i should hope.

Now clearly there is one hitch in this, when the new ps4 or whatever will come out. THIS will be a major shift and who is to say it will support ps3 games. It will be a rough ride either way for the gt6 game

To extend the life of gt there basically needs to be one monstrosity of an update for a good bit more career. I sure hope that they do some one make racing and some more special rally events, the best of gt4. Make that happen and gt5 will live, if not it WILL be shelved by just about everybody.

 

[Milldrum]

They built in the ability to race anything you want on any of the tracks in the game. (obviously not FGT on ice tracks)
Just look at how many online racing series are on GTPlanet. The only thing stopping us, is us. We now decide what we want to race and ask the world to join us. So if I want a Prius race, I can 1 make race offline or online. If I want F1 race I can do Seasonals or go online.

It's all up to the user what they now get out of this game.

 

[tribolik]

Forza?

Forza is Gran Turismo wanna be... but impossible to sucesss.

Gran Turismo is the Best Race Simulator ever;

Race simulator??? what kind of race does it simulate???

Turtles vs Rabbits

It does have amazing crash/collisions/damage physics

And the sounds wow amazing simulation of sounds

But what I really enjoy in GT simulation is the way they grasp the basic stuff like tyre pressure

 

[IceMan PJN]

How far do you want GT5 to go before GT6?

Really, there should be a brand new GT game by the end of 2012, and I don't mean a demo or Prologue, but a full retail release. I don't expect it, but it really should happen. So, that's how far GT5 should go. Tweak around on it and throw out some updates once in a while until 2012 when there should be a full retail release of GT6.

By "full retail release of GT6" I don't mean basically taking GT5 and dumping in some new cars and tracks as well as some minor modifications and enhancements, but an actual new game with updated physics, updated graphics engine, complete overhaul of the menus and interface, new modes and features, et cetera; not GT5.5.

Honestly though, I had pretty much decided I was done with GT5 after playing basically nothing else between release and now. I started messing around again a bit following this latest update, but I had really already decided it was time to move on. I personally don't need them updating GT5 for another year or two.

 

[Cucobr]

Race simulator??? what kind of race does it simulate???

Turtles vs Rabbits

It does have amazing crash/collisions/damage physics

And the sounds wow amazing simulation of sounds

But what I really enjoy in GT simulation is the way they grasp the basic stuff like tyre pressure

much more... MUCH MORE then Forza it is.

if you dont think so... im so sorry for you...

 

[shigllgetcha]

Forza?

Forza is Gran Turismo wanna be... but impossible to sucesss.

Gran Turismo is the Best Race Simulator ever;

Differnce is forza is a complete game. Race simulator, do you believe everthing you read on a box, i wish people would get over that line

 

[abaxas]

GT6 just needs to be GT5 with a better thought out single player mode and more tracks.

If all the seasonal events had been in A-spec? I doubt people would have complained.

 

[Cucobr]

Differnce is forza is a complete game. Race simulator, do you believe everthing you read on a box, i wish people would get over that line

I belive:
- Virtual R
- Inside SimRacing

gran Turismo 5 is Simulator.

 

[Instrumental]

I would like GT6 to be on the next gen Playstation. This is the PS3's fifth year and I suspect that 2013 or 14 will bring way to the PS4. That's only 3 or 4 years after GT5's release which should give them ample time to fully flesh out a new game. Well, considering the time it took for GT5, maybe more time is needed.