How long before Ferrari drop red entirely (launch photos)

[Dudley]

It seems to get less red every year, once Voda (as is likely) take over from Marlboro entirely in 2006 will there be any significent amount of red left? (and what's there isn't Ferrari red already)

 

[Pupik]

Too late.

Okay, that Ferrari was without red for a reason. (It was a NART-entered Ferrari.) But I don't think the offical Ferrari entry will ever be anything other than red from now on. McLaren has defered their color scheme to allow the silver from Mercedes (the "other" German national color); Jaguar is green for a reason (okay, not true BRG). Ligier/Prost's were blue because it was a national color.

If anything, the "national color" trend is back in a way.

 

[JEC]

Oh dear.

 

[Dudley]

pupik - but it's a lot less red a works entry than even the 70s/90s "Italian flag" liveried ones.

 

[-Fred-]

i think it's more of a rolling billboard this year.... Ferraris always had less sponsors than the other cars, or at least it looked that way...


and the cars are not red anymore, since 1997, IIRC, they were the Marlboro orange-red... where's my Rosso Corsa???

 

[harper]

Hmm....*hopes full Voda sponsorship means classic Ferrari red*

and what pisses me off the most is that the tobacco-blanked cars have the big gaping white hole on the airbox too. Its annoying.

 

[Talentless]

dark reds are the best reds, but i'm not really a big red fan. prefer blue, silver, grey, purple.

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by Talentless
dark reds are the best reds, but i'm not really a big red fan. prefer blue, silver, grey, purple.

Diddo. I will never own a red or white car. It may have red or white stripes, but it will not be majorly red or white. I would like a Shelby Cobra in gray with red stripes, like you can buy on GT3.

~LoudMusic

 

[KevinPSX]

Red is nice. I like yellow, especially on road cars. Silver can also work well.

Personally, I think it would be an absolute travesty to see a Ferrari F1 car in anything but red. But some people may say that's already happened.

 

[Pupik]

The over-sponsored Ferrari of 2002 is a sad sight. I expected little Vodaphone logos. At least the Pioneer logos were small-ish; long ago Marlboro had their logo right behind the driver's head, not very big. Since 1997, it's been integrated into the paint job.

Soon day-glo will be Italy's national racing color.

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by pupik
The over-sponsored Ferrari of 2002 is a sad sight. I expected little Vodaphone logos. At least the Pioneer logos were small-ish; long ago Marlboro had their logo right behind the driver's head, not very big. Since 1997, it's been integrated into the paint job.

Soon day-glo will be Italy's national racing color.

Ha ha ha ... day-glo ... national color ... ha ha

I think it would be cool to see the Ferrari car painted in Marlboro's packaging design with nothing but a Ferrari horse on the nose. But, alas, everyone wants more money. And thus they get stickered up.

Another cool design would be a solid black car with a giant silver Ferrari horse layed over the whole thing. It might be hard to make out the hourse though, because of the shape of the car and the giant hole that the driver's seat makes. It would have been cool on an F40 (:

~LoudMusic

 

[Dudley]

The reason there's more and more sponsership is that the team is now entirely self funding.

Fiat/Ferrari road cars put about $3million into the team a year now, that's barely 1% of the budget. Even 3 years ago is was $15million. That's why the Fiat logo is so small now.

So they have to actually work for their $260million or so a year and thus need as much sponsership as they can get.

, alas, everyone wants more money.

Would you rather they only had 2 small stickers and a budget of $20million? You'd have a pretty Ferrari running at the back of the pack.

It's not greed. It's what's needed to compete, McLaren spend at least as much and BAR, Jaguar, Renault and Toyota aren't far shy.

 

[LoudMusic]

Originally posted by Dudley
The reason there's more and more sponsership is that the team is now entirely self funding.

Fiat/Ferrari road cars put about $3million into the team a year now, that's barely 1% of the budget. Even 3 years ago is was $15million. That's why the Fiat logo is so small now.

So they have to actually work for their $260million or so a year and thus need as much sponsership as they can get.



Would you rather they only had 2 small stickers and a budget of $20million? You'd have a pretty Ferrari running at the back of the pack.

It's not greed. It's what's needed to compete, McLaren spend at least as much and BAR, Jaguar, Renault and Toyota aren't far shy.

I wasn't calling it greed ... I mean, if you look at anyone's budget to do anything, do you ever see them saying, "Oh no, that's too much money - I could never spend it all." HECK NO! They take all they can get and usually ask for more. Even the gal that stocks the supply closet at work.

So, they take all the money that people will give them, and do a little advertising to keep them all happy. Nothing wrong with that.

~LoudMusic

 

[Dudley]

Well, Ferrari aren't actually gaining anything much with this latest announcement. Marlboro actually own most of that space and are merely sub-letting it to Vodafone rather than FedEX,Tic-Tac.

The idea being that Voda can smoothly take over the whole deal in 2006/7.

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Incidentally, here was the predicted 2001 budgets at the start of the year. Minardi probably got more thanks to late season Magnum deals. Notice how much BAR really do waste.

(amounts in millions)

1 - Ferrari - $284
2 - McLaren - $274
3 - BAR - $194
4 - Williams - $192
5 - Benetton - $180
6 - Jaguar - $177
7 - Jordan - $172
8 - Sauber - $82
9 - Arrows - $73
10 - Prost - $47.5
11 - Minardi - $47

Where teams get works engines, the value of that support is inclded, McLaren for instance get around $100m in trade support from Mercedes.

Where teams pay for engines they have to do so out of this budget, making the gap for Sauber, Prost and Minardi even wider.

Talk about inflation though, 10 years ago I know Minardi were getting through on about $7m, although the price of engines then was about a tenth of the $10million it cost to support the European V10 project.

the source btw is "F1 Magazine" - March 2001.

 

[Pupik]

Wow. I remember in the mid-80's about $10-20 million would be enough to win races or championships. Makes you wonder what Sauber could have done for double what they spent last year.

Toyota must have out-spent everyone just getting the program off the ground!

 

[KevinPSX]

Toyota spent $48 million just to pretend they were a team in 2001.

 

[Jordan]

Ugh...it wouldn't look so bad if the panels behind the wheels were red, but they're white! I think that's the worst part, aside from the fact that Vodafone's tear-drop logo looks silly no matter where it is.

 

[KevinPSX]

Yeah, that white looks bad.