How long will you wait?

[masas1]

Hi,

After all, what can we do? This is THE DRIVING GAME... it's only one thing that left for us... wait... just wait...

Regards,
masas

 

[dazzi]

Apparantly, you have failed to notice that hardly anybody is actually waiting for GT5. Most of us enjoy ourselves with other things and we don't care when GT5 comes out, we'll just buy it if it's good enough, whenever that may be...

Absolutely correct, there are plenty of other great games, and a New GOW, new ratchet and clank, F1 2009, Fuel, Dirt 2 all confirmed I dont think ill be needing GT5 for a while once Q3 09 comes around which is when most of these games are comming.
And people, I think there is a better chance of polyphony launching the game earlier if no one cares about its launch as it will worry them .

 

[1800SSS]

I was trying to see if anyone here actually has a backbone(which apparently only 16 people have), and apparently a majority of people are the type that would rather just watch an asteroid hit the earth than do some thing about it. If PD saw that a large amount of people were getting upset they might I don't know get the game out.

What are we supposed to do? Go to the PD studio and steal the game?

 

[Dave A]

Considering I have a PS3 ad I have no intention of selling it, I'll wait as long as it takes. I'm not going to forget about it and not buy it if it takes longer than I hoped for. Besides that I'm not desperate for it. I'm a big fan of the GT games but I'm not a big gamer in general.

 

[Northstar]

Absolutely correct, there are plenty of other great games, and a New GOW, new ratchet and clank, F1 2009, Fuel, Dirt 2 all confirmed I dont think ill be needing GT5 for a while once Q3 09 comes around which is when most of these games are comming.
And people, I think there is a better chance of polyphony launching the game earlier if no one cares about its launch as it will worry them .

It will take longer if nobody cares, if PD sees a large amount of uprest they will get the game out faster since that would look horrible PR wise(does PD even have a PR person?). Yes there are a lot of good games, but the sole reason I plan on spending the extra $200 is for GT5(most games I want are also on 360). Also at Mars PD doesn't owe us anything?last I checked we are consumers and we pay their salaries, yes they are trying to appeal to a new generation, but with what an over priced demo and no actual information on the full game. What does that say about a company.

 

[Hyper-Dan]

I will wait untill its released.

 

[G.T.Ace]

It will take longer if nobody cares, if PD sees a large amount of uprest they will get the game out faster since that would look horrible PR wise(does PD even have a PR person?). Yes there are a lot of good games, but the sole reason I plan on spending the extra $200 is for GT5(most games I want are also on 360). Also at Mars PD doesn't owe us anything?last I checked we are consumers and we pay their salaries, yes they are trying to appeal to a new generation, but with what an over priced demo and no actual information on the full game. What does that say about a company.

You dont really think Polyphony Digital doesnt want to bring the game out as fast as they can? What the heck is going on inside your head? Instead of your complaining try to think a bit about the whole thing. PD and Sony are making money with the game, they would be stupid not to release it when they can. I personally think that you have absolutely NO idea of how game developing and marketing works. I am also a bit sad that we dont get anymore news, but stop that "they should bring the game out already". How the *insert bad word here* could they release a not finished product?

 

[Northstar]

I don't know but they have before.
GT2: took 3 editions to get rid of glitches
GT3: watered down and lacked cars
GT4: where was online
Also if they wanted the game out it would have been out by now, also since when is keeping your base in the dark good marketing?

 

[G.T.Ace]

Yes there you have it, you completely proved my point.
GT2 was so buggy because SCE forced them to release it asap, which is exactly what you want now for GT5. GT3 was watered down because they needed to bring out a GT for the, back then, new hardware (same now with the PS3, but with a much shorter development time on GT3) and GT4 lacked online because of technical issues, they wouldve needed at least another year to implement it. And thats where the PR kicks in, you cant release an unplayable, buggy product and you also cant share infos on features that might not be in the final game (thats where the lack of news comes from, you understand? Good).

 

[Dave A]

I don't know but they have before.
GT2: took 3 editions to get rid of glitches
GT3: watered down and lacked cars
GT4: where was online
Also if they wanted the game out it would have been out by now, also since when is keeping your base in the dark good marketing?

GT2 was rushed because Sony forced them to meat a Christmas deadline. GT3 was always going to have less cars. GT4 didn't have online because PD eventually decided it wasn't worth holding the game back even more than the 1 year plus it had already been delayed. The only rushed game was GT2 and that had nothing to with you or me, that was Sony after a Christmas best top seller and you know what, Sony hasn't forced PD's had release date wise since. PD don't want to delay and delay the game deliberately, but they have targets of what they want to include. They could release the game already but it wouldn't meet thoes targets, but guess what, they gave us GT5 to plu the gap.

I don't know about you, but I don't want GT5 too be not much more than GT5. I want GT5 to be a grand game, and to be as good as it can be. There's a balance that has to be found and that's not easy to get right, one one hand PD don't want to hold the game so long that people lost interest and on the other hand they don't want to provide us with a rushed product. I don't mind waiting if the game benefits.

 

[Northstar]

The thing is that they have these things called updates(not sure if you've heard of them) that can fix these things.

 

[Dave A]

No the thing is that I don't want to go out and buy an eagerly anticipated game only to find it's full of stupid bugs I'm going to have to then wait to be patched and that content wise it isn't much better than GT5 which I already have on my shelf. Besides which, updates content wise are likely to cost more money.

I'm not sure if you understand, quality is important. Getting good reviews in magazines is important, first impressions are important. Nobody, or rather, very few people actually advocate that a below par product be released on the basis that it can be patched and rightly so.

 

[G.T.Ace]

No, a patch cant fix everything and theres the marketing factor again, can you even imagine the bad press and reviews when they release a buggy version of the biggest PlayStation franchise?

You have really proven what i wrote, that you have no idea how this business works.
So stop your complaining and maybe start talking to game developers in the meantime for example.

EDIT: Exactly Dave, especially in these times with all those stupid people who care for Gamerankings and Metacritic.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

It will take longer if nobody cares, if PD sees a large amount of uprest they will get the game out faster since that would look horrible PR wise(does PD even have a PR person?). Yes there are a lot of good games, but the sole reason I plan on spending the extra $200 is for GT5(most games I want are also on 360). Also at Mars PD doesn't owe us anything?last I checked we are consumers and we pay their salaries, yes they are trying to appeal to a new generation, but with what an over priced demo and no actual information on the full game. What does that say about a company.

Hahaha, is your knowledge of the way a business works limited to the "Golden Rule" placards they put up in supermarkets that say "the customer is always right"?

It will take longer if nobody cares, if PD sees a large amount of uprest they will get the game out faster since that would look horrible PR wise(does PD even have a PR person?).

Last time I checked, your "large amount of upset" - I can only assume the missing word is "fans" - was limited to an army of one: you. But keep going with that; I'm sure that by the time you manage to rally a few more disgruntled followers to your cause, the game will have already been released. Just don't get it into your head that you were the one responsible for the game being brought out on schedule. Polyphony Digital - and Kazunor Yamauchi in particular - are notorious perfectionists. They won't release a game until they're satisfied that it's in a releaseable condition, and their names have enough power that Sony know to leave them be.

last I checked we are consumers and we pay their salaries, yes they are trying to appeal to a new generation, but with what an over priced demo and no actual information on the full game. What does that say about a company.

Do you have any idea how much of the final price actually finds its way back to the developers? You have to remove all the fees and costs associated with manufacturing, printing, shipping, paying for store space, the wages of the salespeople selling the games, allowing for defective goods and so on. Only the meanest fraction will make its way bsck to Polyphony, and as I said in the other thread, we're not the only ones who buy the games. If we were, the games wouldn't be made because the orum population - at least in the active sense - isn't big enough to support the company.

You seem to be forgetting that Polyphony is a Japanese company, and the Japanese have a distinctly different way of conducting business than their Western brehteren.

No the thing is that I don't want to go out and buy an eagerly anticipated game only to find it's full of stupid bugs I'm going to have to then wait to be patched and that content wise it isn't much better than GT5 which I already have on my shelf. Besides which, updates content wise are likely to cost more money.

Amen to that.

No, a patch cant fix everything and theres the marketing factor again, can you even imagine the bad press and reviews when they release a buggy version of the biggest PlayStation franchise?

Remeber GT2 and theway you couldn't complete it 100% unless you went into the game under another language setting and played all the Opel races? That's a buggy game right there.

 

[G.T.Ace]

I was lucky with GT2 and 3, because first, i never wanted to finish them 100% and second, my versions (PAL) dont have that bug.

EDIT: But the bad press wasnt that big, mostly because the videogaming world was still way too small and not important enough.
Today its a complete different thing.

 

[Northstar]

Well here I was thinking that maybe I found a forum that was filled with mature non-fan boy members. I was apparently was wrong, this forum as I have learned is filled with close minded fan boys that can't consider another persons opinion into mind before putting there own out. This will be my last post here, maybe I will be able to find a mature board somewhere else.


Goodby,Northstar

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Well here I was thinking that maybe I found a forum that was filled with mature non-fan boy members.

You did. We're not the ones bitching and whining about something so completely arbitrary as whether or not we get news on a video game. I know we'd all like some news ... but that doesn't mean we go taking shots from the clocktower over it. It may sound like a cliche, but patience is a virtue. If the only thing that is keeping you occupied is Gran Turismo, I think you need to re-evaluate which way your life is going. Everybody else here has something else going for them, and that's what makes us well-adusted when you aren't.

I was apparently was wrong, this forum as I have learned is filled with close minded fan boys that can't consider another persons opinion into mind before putting there own out.

There's a difference between not considering your opinion and not liking your opinion. Just because we disagree with you doesn't mean we didn't consider your opinion at all. I love how the term 'fanboys' gets thrown about with such reckless abandon over the internet when people disagree with everyone. You make it sound like the crowning insult and that by using the term we're all going to change our ways and suddenly join your side. Well, guess what? It's nothing more than a buzzword and has no meaning. You say we're being immature, close-minded and so on, but we're the ones who have been giving you all manner of reasons as to why we disagree with you, logical explanations and arguments that we feel have some merit. You, on the other hand, are the one sprouting the party line of "We pay their salaries so they should honour that" and stubbornly ignoring any and all rational thought when it is presented. And for what end? To make your voice heard. Sony and Polyphony Digital aren't going to read your comments and suddenly decide they've being going about it all wrong and introduce a policy akin to glasnost.

This will be my last post here, maybe I will be able to find a mature board somewhere else.

It's funny, because in reading through this thread, you've consistently proven to be the elast-mature member invovled. It's also funny because we're one of the biggest fan communities, and everything is pretty well-monitored. If you go elsewhere, you're likely to find the Gran Turismo equivalent of /b/ on 4chan. I've seen other forums that are not run nearly as well as GTP, and believe you me when I say that you're not going to find a forum where hundreds of thousands of fans are going to share your opinion to the extent where you'll be able to march with them on Polyphony's headquarters demaning news, complete with your own marching song written by Rage Against the Machine. No, they're going to chew you up and spit you out and they're not even going to think twice about it. They don't play nice the way we do around here.

 

[Dbo129]

I'm patient, lots of other games to enjoy and I'm still having fun with GT5P. No worries here.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I have a PS3, so I don't care when it comes out. I have plenty of other things to keep myself entertained. 👍

 

[NLxAROSA]

I was trying to see if anyone here actually has a backbone(which apparently only 16 people have)

Well here I was thinking that maybe I found a forum that was filled with mature non-fan boy members. I was apparently was wrong, this forum as I have learned is filled with close minded fan boys that can't consider another persons opinion into mind before putting there own out.

The only one close-minded is you. You wave the argumented responses of several people away with 'you have no backbone' because they don't agree with you. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

 

[Mr P510]

We will get news on the game in 1 and a half months at E3....if not even before that.

 

[mPWRD]

If it's not out by next January... might as well forget about it.

 

[Tenacious D]

Will you "remember" if it's released in March?

 

[Crispy74]

I'll buy it whenever it's released. It's still going to be an absolutely fantastic game and to be honest saying 'If it doesn't come out by a certain date I'm not going to bother' is just denying yourself of what is certain to be an amazing experience. And I bet when you see it sitting there on the shelf you won't be able to stop yourself from grabbing a copy!!

 

[Scaff]

Forever, even if it was multi-platformed, which I don't think it will be (because PD has been teamed with owned by Sony for a long time now since they were founded).

Fixed

PD are and always have been an internal Sony studio.

I was trying to see if anyone here actually has a backbone(which apparently only 16 people have), and apparently a majority of people are the type that would rather just watch an asteroid hit the earth than do some thing about it. If PD saw that a large amount of people were getting upset they might I don't know get the game out.

Always a great move the old, if someone doesn't agree with me I will simply insult them.

Not smart at all, even worse when its not accurate.

As has already been said, why on earth would you want a rushed product that might fall short of what is wanted, when more than enough exists on the PS3 to keep us busy until GT5 comes out.

Hell I know well in advance exactly how much of my life GT5 will take when it comes out (the hundreds of hour I put into the tuning guides for GT4 is testament to how much that title took over my free time).

In the mean time I have more than enough to keep me busy, including spending time with all those genres that I know I will ignore when GT5 does arrive.

So while this is a valid topic for discussion, insulting those who may not agree with you is not a valid debating tool here at GT Planet.

Also if they wanted the game out it would have been out by now, also since when is keeping your base in the dark good marketing?

It's worked out rather well for Apple so far.

Well here I was thinking that maybe I found a forum that was filled with mature non-fan boy members. I was apparently was wrong, this forum as I have learned is filled with close minded fan boys that can't consider another persons opinion into mind before putting there own out. This will be my last post here, maybe I will be able to find a mature board somewhere else.


Goodby,Northstar

You insult people who don't agree with you and then when they still don't agree with you the teddies go out of the pram!!!!

The only person here who is refusing to see other peoples point of view is you, and to be honest you are also the only one who has failed to discuss this in a mature manner. Plenty of people acknowledged your opinion, they simply don't agree with it; you didn't even give people that much respect, rather you implied they were spineless.

If that is the way you wish to discuss things then I will be honest it is very doubtful that you will be missed. However if you do wish to discuss this without taking 'shots' at people and getting in a huff when people disagree with you then you will be welcomed back.

BTW - If you think this is a heated debate don't ever head over to the opinions sub-forum.




Thanks

Scaff

 

[Crispy74]

Fixed

PD are and always have been an internal Sony studio.




Always a great move the old, if someone doesn't agree with me I will simply insult them.

Not smart at all, even worse when its not accurate.

As has already been said, why on earth would you want a rushed product that might fall short of what is wanted, when more than enough exists on the PS3 to keep us busy until GT5 comes out.

Hell I know well in advance exactly how much of my life GT5 will take when it comes out (the hundreds of hour I put into the tuning guides for GT4 is testament to how much that title took over my free time).

In the mean time I have more than enough to keep me busy, including spending time with all those genres that I know I will ignore when GT5 does arrive.

So while this is a valid topic for discussion, insulting those who may not agree with you is not a valid debating tool here at GT Planet.


Thanks

Scaff

+1 👍

Actually that's a good idea, playing all the other games in the meantime as we know for a fact that they're going to be lying there gathering dust when GT5 does come out!! Make use of them while you can

 

[Tenacious D]

My sig is just a hint of the... oh wow, excellent games you can enjoy between the PS2 and 3, as well as PC. We all wanted GT5 a year or more ago. I keep having dreams of GT5 and they do make both GT4 and Prologue look kind of moldy in comparison, and until I get that new PC built, maybe next weekend, I can't trust my current rig to destroy my new DFGT wheel. So what's a gamer to do?

"Hmm... look at all these games I have... really good games..." 💡

Just waiting for E3 is quite an ordeal, but between work and gaming, the weeks are slowly being whittled away. And I know it will be the same waiting for GT5. Christmas does eventually come.

 

[Sureboss]

Also if they wanted the game out it would have been out by now

You ever seen or been a part of the development process of a game? Let alone a game on this scale with the amount of cars and tracks it will have, with the massive variety of physics and data? Think when you drive around Eiger and you see the 3D people, moving (allegedly ), think of what goes in to make those.

Prologue probably added some time to the development of 5, but then it's better to have an intermediary game in a gap of 4-5 years, than none at all. Prologue will have brought new customers to the fanbase, gives us a taster of what is to come.

Iirc, I remember an interview in a PS3 magazine saying each car takes something like 300 working hours to develop, think of the fantastic complexity of the interior, moving needles, hand movements, etc. They had to start from scratch as they had to develop for PS3 not PS2, that adds time. Why many companies pull multi-platforms if they notice a downturn in profits.

The idea of a developer releasing a game a year before the roughly estimated release date is seriously misguided. A developer may be able to do it a few months before the completed date (note: not the release date), but it would be buggy and not a nice game to play. If they work hard, they may release it a month or 6 weeks before release date.

They are probably quite close to getting the first beta codes ready, GT5 will spend about 4 months of rigorous testing, probably the same after commercial release before releasing the final code. But that depends on their future plans for GT6. (Yeh, okay, let us not go there, but it wouldn't be far off their minds.)

 

[Northstar]

Wow, I was reading this again and I realized I was an a-hole. I have had a rough week and was honestly mad at everyone for anything. I would like to offer an apology to everyone here.

 

[dazzi]

Hahaha after reading all the pushing that SCE has given Polyphony through the past games, in a way its made me happier but in a way worried, firslty happier in the way that no doubt are sony going to do it this time around too as they are supplying their funding and tools, but worried that somethings might be cut, well in a way something will always be cut from any game, i doubt theres ever been a game in history with everything in it from the original perspective of the developer, if you dont know what i mean put it in a fitness term , tomorow you have a 10km run thinking about it now its easy, when you start doing it, your prefered outcome will change.

We are all waiting for this game anxiously but I still think it will not top of the feeling that Gt4 gave me, that was just amazing, seeing all those LMP cars etc so amazing, maybe it will but im saying hard pressed because I doubt that polyphony will include 900+ cars again even though I wish they did.