How to report blatant cheaters

[kilesa4568]

And you are seemingly very angry about me wanting a way to report blatant cheaters. You want no way to report them and everyone to hush about it and accept it. Maybe it is because you are one?

You got that from my replies? I don't get angry on forums. Exasperated maybe. Never angry.

Please let me know what could be worse that you have seen.

I once did a quick match in GT6 where it was me against 3 Germans* and I was constantly beating them. They started to team up by driving side by side to block me, hitting me whenever I got close to passing and I don't think I got another win after they started. I haven't laughed that much in long time.

Read 'em and weep! Three people did it to me.

Sure, it was quick match but guess what? It was still in a racing game. 50% worse than your example and I still smile when I remember it.

Yes, the same as any online game where I don't want to be unable to compete because of cheaters. What is the point in a fake competition? In CoD do I want the 5 other people on my team to actually be on the other team and just keep spawn killing me? No! What kind of a weirdo wants this?!

I'm talking about racing games and even in the dirtiest races, you can still compete. You might not like it but you can.

No idea where the CoD analogy came from and no idea how it fits your argument. Have we moved onto other games without you telling me? Let's keep it about racing games for simplicity's sake.

You got gamed out of a win by two people who teamed up according to a video I haven't seen. I believe you but big deal. There's always the next race.

It strikes me a bit odd that you would refute the idea of a reporting system and say that you are happy to be the victim of blatant cheaters but simultaneously like these posts:
kilesa4568 liked GTR365's post in the thread Variety vs Specialty.
I echo this. 'Practice' should not occur during competition. The result of such is frustratingly unpredictable for all parties. I rarely race in Sport Mode. After racing since original Gran Turismo, I often prefer just to cruise at between...
Yesterday at 5:36 PM
So you're whinging about people practicing in races because it makes it "frustratingly unpredictable" but simultaneously telling me to shut up about actual cheating?

I never mentioned the reporting system once but going by your definition of "blatant cheaters", I wouldn't want to as I think it will get abused by every Tom, Dick and Harry who got aggrieved by a bump and run. If PD ever get down to punishing instances like yours, they're going to need a lot of stewards to check each report and that's likely never going to happen. Where does that leave you? Grit your teeth and bear it or move on.

At no time did I whinge in that thread either. OP asks what people concentrate on and I told them. I just like driving different cars and tracks without waiting for them to come up in the dailies. I liked the above post because it makes sense to practice before going online and also being polite because GTR365 liked my post. No deep meaning in there but I appreciate the effort of you looking for one.

kilesa4568 liked bone_tone's post in the thread QM Exiles.

It's the way that they cut corners that gets me - occasionally they use the track, but not often! There's something in me that won't let me do that, no matter how much I try......
Today at 2:55 PM
So you're whinging about people cutting corners (it's not cutting corners unless the game gives you a penalty) but simultaneously telling me to shut up about actual cheating? Also, mr616's comment is in direct contradiction of this but you liked it.

bone_tone is a good friend and I agree with him wholeheartedly about not making the most of the track limits. I don't do it either but then I'm daft and don't mind being slower. Just a choice we made.

There was recent thread about track limits where I saw what can be cut without penalty. No problem to me if it's legal. I said as much in that thread.

I hope I meet you in an FIA race so I can test your apparent calmness and enjoyment of cheating.

I'm always calm when I race. Whatever happens during them. If you want to straight line the chicane, straight line it. I might get mildly peeved for a few seconds if I saw you do it but I'm not going to make an angry thread about it. I did once when quick match started but I got a nice reality check off the seasoned racers on this forum. Welcome to online racing.

The enjoyment of cheating comment makes me think you haven't gone far enough back into my post history. Keep looking and you'll see a different viewpoint. If they're anything like the above, look for something stronger eh? There's nothing written by me in this thread to support that view but feel free to reread it and check.

If you want to continue this, please wind your neck in. It's hard to discuss things with people who rant and rave. Especially when they get desperate for bullet points.

I've put my white flag away as I can't wait to see where you go next with this.

 

[JayRS200]

42.9% Have voted I am a giant tortoise and I don't know why I am on this forum


That tells its own story about the 24 members that voted for that option.

 

[Matty28]

Your argument was already precarious but your responses here are pretty silly.

You got that from my replies? I don't get angry on forums. Exasperated maybe. Never angry.

Straight back at you

Read 'em and weep! Three people did it to me.

Sure, it was quick match but guess what? It was still in a racing game. 50% worse than your example and I still smile when I remember it.

Haha yeah and I got shot 50% more than you... with BB pellets. I am sure you are joking here. I was expecting something like a glitch where someone instantly wins as soon as the race starts and everyone else scores 0 points.

I'm talking about racing games and even in the dirtiest races, you can still compete. You might not like it but you can.

No you can't. Once they ram you off the first time and you've got rid of the penalty the game gives you for flying off the track into the wall, unless they are ridiculously slow you can't make up 30 seconds in 8 laps.

No idea where the CoD analogy came from and no idea how it fits your argument. Have we moved onto other games without you telling me? Let's keep it about racing games for simplicity's sake.

Get over yourself. It's a racing game. The same as any online game, you take the rough with the smooth. If you can't shrug things like this off, you bought the wrong game.

Do you understand the relation between brother and sister?

You got gamed out of a win by two people who teamed up according to a video I haven't seen. I believe you but big deal. There's always the next race.

I forgot the part where I wrote "OMG THIS IS THE END OF THE WORLD I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF OVER THIS"

You seem obsessed with pushing this idea that I am still enraged a week later and as if I think this is the biggest injustice to ever have occurred. I think this is the classic "let's ridicule them to make them sound stupid because I can't actually argue against them".

I never mentioned the reporting system once but going by your definition of "blatant cheaters", I wouldn't want to as I think it will get abused by every Tom, Dick and Harry who got aggrieved by a bump and run. If PD ever get down to punishing instances like yours, they're going to need a lot of stewards to check each report and that's likely never going to happen. Where does that leave you? Grit your teeth and bear it or move on.

At no time did I whinge in that thread either. OP asks what people concentrate on and I told them. I just like driving different cars and tracks without waiting for them to come up in the dailies. I liked the above post because it makes sense to practice before going online and also being polite because GTR365 liked my post. No deep meaning in there but I appreciate the effort of you looking for one.

This is another very strange point. My definition of blatant cheaters is cheaters that there is no reasonable doubt or other possibility as I have already discussed. You saw my response to the other guy saying that Schumacher etc cannot be penalised because only they know for certain whether they did it deliberately or not. You can see how undeniable it is from the video. If you want to "compete" with these people more power to you but I want to race.

You liked a post whinging about not racing in your race because it is inconvenient and "doesn't make sense" but want me to be silent about organised cheating because presumably that is very convenient and makes total sense? What a ridiculous contradictory position to hold. "ooh it makes sense" and "ooh

bone_tone is a good friend and I agree with him wholeheartedly about not making the most of the track limits. I don't do it either but then I'm daft and don't mind being slower. Just a choice we made.

There was recent thread about track limits where I saw what can be cut without penalty. No problem to me if it's legal. I said as much in that thread.

So as I said, a glaring contradiction. It's not legal to ram people at all, nevermind as a team & deliberately - that's why the game gives you a penalty. But you enjoy it.

I'm always calm when I race. Whatever happens during them. If you want to straight line the chicane, straight line it. I might get mildly peeved for a few seconds if I saw you do it but I'm not going to make an angry thread about it. I did once when quick match started but I got a nice reality check off the seasoned racers on this forum. Welcome to online racing.

The enjoyment of cheating comment makes me think you haven't gone far enough back into my post history. Keep looking and you'll see a different viewpoint. If they're anything like the above, look for something stronger eh? There's nothing written by me in this thread to support that view but feel free to reread it and check.

You're not going to make an "angry" thread about cheaters winning races and your race ending as a result of them but you will spend lots of time arguing against people who merely want to alert PD and/or find a way to report them, calling them "angry" and "steaming" or whatever else. Again, rather contradictory. Advocating that nothing is done to combat it at all and anyone who encounters crystal clear cheating stay silent does actually suggest you enjoy it.

If you want to continue this, please wind your neck in. It's hard to discuss things with people who rant and rave. Especially when they get desperate for bullet points.

More made up ridicule.[/QUOTE]

 

[kilesa4568]

First of all, edit the video out. Don't get yourself a possible warning for posting it again. I've seen it now.

After looking at it, I can't believe you've made such a big deal out of it but I've checked your age and now understand a bit better. My youngest is a year younger than you and I hear the same tone from time to time.

Now to the elephant in the room...

This forum doesn't have anything to do with PD other than discussing the game they made. You can't ask them to fix or add things here but you can discuss with people what you'd like to see them add or fix. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now that's out of the way...

Haha yeah and I got shot 50% more than you... with BB pellets. I am sure you are joking here. I was expecting something like a glitch where someone instantly wins as soon as the race starts and everyone else scores 0 points.

That was supposed to chill you out.

I'll give you a better one. How about people refusing to race and sitting at track choke points to take you out each lap? My position isn't the target, I'm the target. I just found another race and got on with my night.

No you can't. Once they ram you off the first time and you've got rid of the penalty the game gives you for flying off the track into the wall, unless they are ridiculously slow you can't make up 30 seconds in 8 laps.

...but you're still racing. You can't win every race but wherever you are on track, you're still racing. It's a glass half full viewpoint.

Do you understand the relation between brother and sister?

Totally. Not when they're backward gap toothed aunts and uncles at the same time though. A bit like this thread.

I forgot the part where I wrote "OMG THIS IS THE END OF THE WORLD I AM GOING TO KILL MYSELF OVER THIS"

The reason I checked your age. I noticed how much you like drama...

You seem obsessed with pushing this idea that I am still enraged a week later and as if I think this is the biggest injustice to ever have occurred. I think this is the classic "let's ridicule them to make them sound stupid because I can't actually argue against them".

You're still here and still demanding they're cheating. *shrugs shoulders*

This is another very strange point. My definition of blatant cheaters is cheaters that there is no reasonable doubt or other possibility as I have already discussed. You saw my response to the other guy saying that Schumacher etc cannot be penalised because only they know for certain whether they did it deliberately or not. You can see how undeniable it is from the video. If you want to "compete" with these people more power to you but I want to race.

I call that naivety. Don't worry. It'll improve with experience.

You liked a post whinging about not racing in your race because it is inconvenient and "doesn't make sense" but want me to be silent about organised cheating because presumably that is very convenient and makes total sense? What a ridiculous contradictory position to hold. "ooh it makes sense" and "ooh

What is it with you and my 'likes'? I'll often 'like' a well written reply even if I have no real interest in the topic.

No idea what you're talking about with "inconvenient" and "doesn't make sense" either but if you see actual cheating in an online race (excluding deliberate contact...), this forum would love to be warned about it. Me too for that matter as I can get in touch with someone to report it. Just make sure your evidence and facts are conclusive...

So as I said, a glaring contradiction. It's not legal to ram people at all, nevermind as a team & deliberately - that's why the game gives you a penalty. But you enjoy it.

A glaring contradiction in your eyes only as you've completely lost me with your logic. Contact almost always happens in online races. Either deliberately or accidentally. I don't like it either but I accept it happens. I just try to avoid it.

You're not going to make an "angry" thread about cheaters winning races and your race ending as a result of them but you will spend lots of time arguing against people who merely want to alert PD and/or find a way to report them, calling them "angry" and "steaming" or whatever else. Again, rather contradictory. Advocating that nothing is done to combat it at all and anyone who encounters crystal clear cheating stay silent does actually suggest you enjoy it.

This is a discussion board. We discuss things here. I'm not arguing either. I'm debating.

If we had what you propose with reporting everything similar to what happened with you, PD would be swamped and unable to cope with it. If they hire a few hundred virtual stewards to check each and every video and report sent in, great. It's not going to happen though.

As a word of advice, keep this about your proposed reporting system. Don't turn it into a personal attack on me or how I approach my racing. I'm actually one of the cleanest racers out there and love fair play.

Being realistic and through experience, I've learned that I can't have everything. I'm actually trying to give you a bit of perspective here.











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[Macboyilija]

It's a game. Have fun. You can't and won't win every race. The game has a built in system to penalized cheaters.... DR and SR. I don't worry much anymore about 'the other guy' . Awhile back I got all bent us people kept banging and bumping, but that is usually just inexperience and people thinking they are that much faster than everyone else. In reality, most races are evenly matched. If you start in the bottom half, there's no way you'll win, so try to pick up a position or so and be happy for the competition.

Do your best, have fun, play fair. What other drivers do is on them.

Great post. What I have noticed and what I like about the game is that there is a lot of respect in the field where I am now (B S). Normally I always say take it easy the first corner. You dont win there. But now it is the very first round almost that respect is shown. You are faster from the rolling start because the game makes that possible but you still wait and lose the gas a little. This makes GTS so much fun online.

I hope most people get to this class although I can imagine people are unlucky and maybe just having bad luck with the drivers they are put with. In all my races I seldom see the same people while yesterday I had 3 races online with one guy. Maybe some just really have bad luck or others are more lucky to be put against racers who play with respect.


@Matty: I think you are attacking the wrong person. That sometimes people do not follow your posts doesnt mean they agree with what is happening and they are unfair racers themselves. They just dont care so much because they know it will never be banned. Just a more realistic view. In the end we all want fair racing no worries about that.

 

[Matty28]

First of all, edit the video out. Don't get yourself a possible warning for posting it again. I've seen it now.

It's fine as long as I don't name them.

After looking at it, I can't believe you've made such a big deal out of it but I've checked your age and now understand a bit better. My youngest is a year younger than you and I hear the same tone from time to time.

Personal attack after going on at me about non-existent personal attacks. Another contradiction. I can't believe you look at cheaters and go "it's all cool man".

This forum doesn't have anything to do with PD other than discussing the game they made. You can't ask them to fix or add things here but you can discuss with people what you'd like to see them add or fix. Nothing more, nothing less.

Duh, but they might be looking around the internet for reports of cheating hence recent bans. And as I said numerous times now I also wanted to know if there was a way to report.

I'll give you a better one. How about people refusing to race and sitting at track choke points to take you out each lap? My position isn't the target, I'm the target. I just found another race and got on with my night.

You can't find another race because you can only join one FIA race. Once they end it you've lost it.

...but you're still racing. You can't win every race but wherever you are on track, you're still racing. It's a glass half full viewpoint.

Yeah and non-dopers are still running in the 1500m. It's a unfair joke of a competition but eh who cares?

The reason I checked your age. I noticed how much you like drama...

So you admit you made up the nonsense?

You're still here and still demanding they're cheating. *shrugs shoulders*

I am not demanding anything. It has been factual that they were cheating from the beginning.

I call that naivety. Don't worry. It'll improve with experience.

Absolutely ludicrous. Really laughable. Let's break it down for you so maybe you can understand basic logic.

Accusation:
Cheating in the form of unlawfully ending competitors chance of competing via deliberate contact.

Evidence
Waiting for competitors to pass before ramming < proof the crashes were deliberate
Repeatedly allowing partner to pass and win < proof they were working together

Any rational person understands this as cheating. But for some reason you do not, but you are also unable to apply logic to Schumacher and Senna. I hope you never get called up for jury duty because you'll imprison people without evidence while letting proven criminals walk free. Please go ahead and let me know what the undeniable proof is that Senna and Schumacher were cheating, and that it is not purely based on a motive.

What is it with you and my 'likes'? I'll often 'like' a well written reply even if I have no real interest in the topic.

No idea what you're talking about with "inconvenient" and "doesn't make sense" either but if you see actual cheating in an online race (excluding deliberate contact...), this forum would love to be warned about it. Me too for that matter as I can get in touch with someone to report it. Just make sure your evidence and facts are conclusive...

Most people use likes because they like the content of a post not because of the way it was written. I look at this as a cheap attempt to back out of your contradictions. Forget the quotes and re-read your posts and the posts you liked and apply a thesaurus if necessary. Again you're making a distinction between cheaters and cheaters when in fact they're all the same. You seem to have another contradictory viewpoint where some rules can be broken for an unfair advantage but others cannot. You are saying that players should have a free pass to floor each other in football but doping is still not allowed.

A glaring contradiction in your eyes only as you've completely lost me with your logic. Contact almost always happens in online races. Either deliberately or accidentally. I don't like it either but I accept it happens. I just try to avoid it.

It's not rocket science. You refuse to use the track limits because of your moral compass but you want me to be silent about deliberate team crashing in order to win a competition and you don't want to do anything to minimise cheating. Why do you think I do not do exactly what you just said?

This is a discussion board. We discuss things here. I'm not arguing either. I'm debating.

You've repeatedly said that I shouldn't be responding to people posting on my thread and that I shouldn't discuss anything here. Now you are contradicting that clear as day.
arguing (present participle)
give reasons or cite evidence in support of an idea, action, or theory, typically with the aim of persuading others to share one's view:
I'm not a giraffe! I'm a giraffe!

If we had what you propose with reporting everything similar to what happened with you, PD would be swamped and unable to cope with it. If they hire a few hundred virtual stewards to check each and every video and report sent in, great. It's not going to happen though.

I don't believe that. Jagex can monitor 100k+ online players playing with reports coming in 24/7 but PD can't manage a few thousand participating in the FIA races where it takes much more effort to report with an evidence video? I mean the amount of reports would be like 1/1000th as many.

As a word of advice, keep this about your proposed reporting system. Don't turn it into a personal attack on me or how I approach my racing. I'm actually one of the cleanest racers out there and love fair play.

Making up stuff again. I haven't commented on your driving ethics apart from your desire to not use the track limits.

Being realistic and through experience, I've learned that I can't have everything. I'm actually trying to give you a bit of perspective here.
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Ooh well you see I thought I could have everything![/QUOTE][/QUOTE][/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

 

[Matty28]

@Matty: I think you are attacking the wrong person. That sometimes people do not follow your posts doesnt mean they agree with what is happening and they are unfair racers themselves. They just dont care so much because they know it will never be banned. Just a more realistic view. In the end we all want fair racing no worries about that.

Not attacking anyone. I am defending the idea that these are cheaters and that PD should do as much as they can to minimise cheating rather than leave them alone. I had about 4 accounts on Runescape banned for buying in-game currency with real money. They were all 100% correct. I have no idea how they found out. Meanwhile none of my others were banned despite countless people saying they're reporting me for botting or whatever. These systems work great if they are properly implemented.

 

[kilesa4568]

snip...

Goodbye.

 

[Gravitron]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/reporting-system.370154/#post-12084155

Stopped reading a couple pages ago.

 

[kilesa4568]

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/reporting-system.370154/#post-12084155

Stopped reading a couple pages ago.

If only that reply appeared before mine...

 

[JayRS200]

Oh wow some people really put a lot of effort into arguing on a commuter game forum. Must try that sometime.

 

[Macboyilija]

I always wait for the “internet” and “its just a game” argument to come in

 

[ROCKET JOE]

I always wait for the “internet” and “its just a game” argument to come in

Really ? You liked and replied to a post starting with ...

It's a game. Have fun. ...

and ends with ...

... Do your best, have fun, play fair. ...

 

[Macboyilija]

Fair enough

But sometimes if I like a post it could be a certain section of the post that I liked.

 

[ROCKET JOE]

Fair enough

But sometimes if I like a post it could be a certain section of the post that I liked.

Of course. No offense meant, mate 👍.
Did we meet in a Suzuka race yesterday ?

 

[Macboyilija]

I just posted something about Suzuka yesterday. Was that you going side by side with me ?

EDIT: yes we were in same race !

Great to see that only 1 second between #1-10th position. I had great fun yesterday at Suzuka with a lot of respect drivers !!

 

[ROCKET JOE]

I just posted something about Suzuka yesterday. Was that you going side by side with me ?

EDIT: yes we were in same race !

Great to see that only 1 second between #1-10th position. I had great fun yesterday at Suzuka with a lot of respect drivers !!

Ah, I see, met some of these drivers more than once yesterday, guess it wasn't me going side by side with you. If I remember correctly,
asshedd and me went into T1 together and been wiped out together by the 4th place driver ( I'll stand corrected and apologise if it's been another race :-) Starting from pole was more of a penalty than an advantage yesterday.

 

[JacksHerer]

42.9% Have voted I am a giant tortoise and I don't know why I am on this forum


That tells its own story about the 24 members that voted for that option.

Yeh, they are not currently hibernating.

 

[Matty28]

If only that reply appeared before mine...

You can report players in the game, but the drop-down menu of reasons options doesn't seem to include cheating.

An observation of my thread versus that thread. There seems to be full support for the banning of random trolls featured in his video with no one questioning the OP in his thread, but bar one or two, all I get for wanting to report organised cheaters is angry messages telling me to shut up and get over myself and even denying that they are cheaters? ASH32 even said in the other thread "Do nothing and some people will carry on doing this, you could even get someone's brother or mate trying to help them win like this, especially in the championships races" which is exactly what my thread is about. Well I guess the people in this thread are getting what they want. At least my poll shows more than double the voters agree it is undeniably cheating, contrary to some arguers. And that this forum is littered with confused tortoises.

Still waiting for proof beyond reasonable doubt that Schumacher and Senna were cheating to support your claim that I am naïve and your understanding of proof and justice isn't a few hundred years out of date. My guess is you can't provide any because there isn't any.

Also would you like to admit this particular glaring contradiction & hypocrisy for my amusement?

The thread's nearly a week old and you're still on tilt about it.

You're still here and still demanding they're cheating. *shrugs shoulders*

This is a discussion board. We discuss things here. I'm not arguing either. I'm debating.