How to take it to the next level in GT7?

[Lomic]

Gave it a go tonight.

Only sector I've had previously golded long ago was S4.

Took me 3 tries for S1, many tries for S2, 3 for S3 and 2 for S4. But I am still 1s from gold on full lap after 3 tries.

84km total.

Full lap will need work for sure.

Controller + AT + CSA.

Shared all sectors if you want.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Gave it a go tonight.

Only sector I've had previously golded long ago was S4.

Took me 3 tries for S1, many tries for S2, 3 for S3 and 2 for S4. But I am still 1s from gold on full lap after 3 tries.

84km total.

Full lap will need work for sure.

Controller + AT + CSA.

Shared all sectors if you want.

3 tries and 1 second to GOLD is superb! What assists you have?

S1 I can do GOLD 40% of time, S2 maybe 10-15% of time, S3 - 80% of time and by a large margin, S4 - 70% of time and by a margin too. S3 and S4 I am very confident. S1 is the beginning of lap, so I can restart if it is not perfect. S2 ruins it for me, compromises the rest.

 

[Lomic]

3 tries and 1 second to GOLD is superb! What assists you have?

As stated in my post : CSA.

I agree with you S2 is hard.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

As stated in my post : CSA.

I agree with you S2 is hard.

Meaning you do not use TC and no ABS?

 

[Jump_Ace]

On Dec 31st I started a thread as I was seeking for help on how to properly start GT7. I got a lot of help and found this community very mature and helpful. Since that time I dod progress a bit:

1. Have 51 Menu Books done
2. Achieved Collector Level 50
3. Have a couple of care from the invites (Aston, Ferrari, Pagani, Porsche and Lambo)
4. Took part in 3 online events and was 3 times on podium
5. Earned 70M mostly driving around Le Mans on a McLaren 750
6. Did get Gold in Monza Circuit Experience

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Overall, I am glad this game exists! I see that it is helping me to sharpen my reflexes, deepens my passions for cars and also helps to understand how cars behave on a trace track. Also, you have this thrill of competing.

Now I want to take it to the next level and have some more questions that I have listed down. Thanks for all the help so far!

MORE QUESTIONS:

1. Why under the blue flags AI would not move aside and would rather battle for position?
2. Is there a reason to play the game on a higher level of difficulty? Tye reward system is not impacted by it.
3. Is there a wat to know somehow among the people competing who is using a steering wheel and who is on a controller?
4. Anything you have seen as a good guide, material as a reference point to set up a controller to be faster?
5. Can you be as fast on a controller as you are with the wheel?
6. What was your personal approach to learn the CE and get a Gold? What was your path and what helped you the most?
7. Is there any point to keep the line and breaking area assists or you are faster without?
8. I want to find a way to learn the breaking point and acceleration point and need some reference. When Inset a ghost, I really cannot see the breaking point. ny good way to learn it? I have a feeling that this will make me much faster…knowing where to break and how to accelerate off the corner
9. Is it possible to get a super license on controller and get MP4/4 for free?
10. I have so far participated in 2-3 online events and see that I have E and B in my profile. What should it be as a good level?

Great progress so far! I'll try and answer some of these questions, from my viewpoint:
1. The AI (excluding Sophy) leaves a lot to be desired, so they do what they do
2. Not really, no. Unless you want to push yourself. Some of the offline races are exponentially more difficult than others, no zero reason, so I just leave it on the easiest setting now just cause I don't have the time to do races a couple times because I'm chasing the rabbit that imo is too far ahead.
3. It used to be sudden-moving cars was the tell with some controller drivers. Now, there isn't a way to tell AFAIK.
4. Not sure, haven't used a controller since the GT5P days
5. 100% yes, just as Holl01, a former GTP member and back in the old GT4 WRS days he'd just flip back and forth for fun.
6. Trial and error for me, along with the License Tests. The CE's are a little easier in that you do a few in the same car, but some cars require TLC and it can be hard to know how you 'should' drive vs. how you 'think' you should drive before starting these sessions.
7. I find the lines super distracting and not helpful at all. What IS helpful are the braking zone marks on either side of the track. I usually brake at them, or just before them, or as between two of them, etc.
8. See#7. And, it depends on the car you are driving. Some cars you MUST be pointed straight before you even think about hitting the gas. Other cars, the exact moment you cross the apex you need to slam the gas to be fast. More trial and error, and make some notes on the side about what you are seeing/feeling along with the drivetrain (FR, FF, MR, 4WD) and you'll get better and making mental notes on how to drive a similar car again later.
9. I'm sure it's possible and people have done it, maybe search YT for some tips on controller?
10. I think everyone who puts in standard effort should have an S rating for Sportsmanship, otherwise strive to get into the A for driver rating could be a good long term goal. Asking these questions is great, the more you learn, along with effort, the faster you'll get. GL!


Jerome

 

[Lomic]

Meaning you do not use TC and no ABS?

ABS is on default, I don't even consider it as an assist.

Not sure what I use for TC, maybe I have some. Maybe it is ASM and CSA that are off.

 

[happycorey]

Maybe. I only have 10 fingers:-) I have just started driving with no assists. I think I will do it all in stages….:-)


Well….I did try several more laps. Got to within 1 sec from GOLD, even less than 0,5 sec from GOLD. So close again, but so far away still….

T7 you can brake a little later
T9 you hit the brakes too much, you should be able to stay in 4th gear and carry through
T10 can brake later

I think there's times that you're coasting TOO much into turns. Sometimes it's fine to set yourself up for the exit, but there's a lot of lost time not getting on the throttle sooner.

Manual gear selection really helps for times when you need the car to rotate a little bit, or prevent the car from spinning in low speed turns. Being able to upshift through a corner is a huge time saver and you might nail gold if you utilize it correctly.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

T7 you can brake a little later
T9 you hit the brakes too much, you should be able to stay in 4th gear and carry through
T10 can brake later

I think there's times that you're coasting TOO much into turns. Sometimes it's fine to set yourself up for the exit, but there's a lot of lost time not getting on the throttle sooner.

Manual gear selection really helps for times when you need the car to rotate a little bit, or prevent the car from spinning in low speed turns. Being able to upshift through a corner is a huge time saver and you might nail gold if you utilize it correctly.

You are right. When I saw your lap, this is what became clear- you spend more time on a throttle!

What I see I need to master in Spa is this:

• turn 1 and Eau Rouge
• Turn 9 and 10 (I think I loose 0,5 there)
• rest of the track just coast less and more on throttle

If I will do it, I will get GOLD.


Update:
I tried 4 full laps today as I had 15 min.
All 4 were within 1 sec. One was 0.8 off GOLD. Kind of not too much if you think a full lap is 2 min and 18 sec, but not good enough:-)

I am now very clear where I struggle and need to sit down and do more work on eliminating these mistakes. I did try to coast less, be more on a throttle. Tried to exit T1 better.

Overall, this is where I think I am loosing GOLD:
1. About 0.2 sec in S1
2. About 0.4 sec in S2
3. About 0.2 sec across all of S3 and S4, but mainly a transition from S2 to S3. Bad S2 kills my lap.

 

[Eliminatorek]

That is some dedication for Gold at SPA CE - Kudos for the proper approach.

8. I want to find a way to learn the breaking point and acceleration point and need some reference. When Inset a ghost, I really cannot see the breaking point. ny good way to learn it? I have a feeling that this will make me much faster…knowing where to break and how to accelerate off the corner

Just 5 cents from me on something about Ghosts and replays from Best players in Weekly TTs.
Maybe you already know, but it took me some time to realize.
So if select Online TT and go to RANKS (podium button) instead of Go to track (Green button) - you can watch replays of Top Ranked drivers.
Unlike when being on Track and going to RANK - then you can only load their ghost.

This way you can see their laps from many angles.
Hope that helps.

/edt. some wording correction

 

[Lightpilgrim]

This REALLY hurts!!!

 

[Lomic]

Getting there Lewis !

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Getting there Lewis !

 

[RX8 Racer]

I dunno how much help an MT run will be, but here:




Gotta say, it sure feels nice driving on a dry Spa after the Manufacturers race a week ago! XD

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I dunno how much help an MT run will be, but here:




Gotta say, it sure feels nice driving on a dry Spa after the Manufacturers race a week ago! XD

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Are you using a MT on a controller?

 

[RX8 Racer]

Are you using a MT on a controller?

Yep! MT, Full ABS and controller.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Yep! MT, Full ABS and controller.

Well done. This is a bit too much to handle now, but I will try to learn. How did you learn? Any tutorial you can recommend? Anything that helped you?

Is this a default ghost? What is the offset? 0.3 or 0.4?

 

[RX8 Racer]

Well done. This is a bit too much to handle now, but I will try to learn. How did you learn? Any tutorial you can recommend? Anything that helped you?

Is this a default ghost? What is the offset? 0.3 or 0.4?

I first started playing GT during the pandemic (April 2020) with GT Sport, so I have a fair bit of experience.

For starting on Manual, I recommend the Magic Mountain Fiat 500 Mission race. A 17 HP car on a circuit with a steep incline is a good place to learn when and where to shift. From there, you then gradually move up to more powerful cars (like the Radical at Brands Hatch circuit experience, which needs to be short shifted before the bar is half full for maximum pace).

The basic rule of thumb is lower gears for acceleration and/or turning, higher gears for top speed and/or stability. The ultimate goal is to keep practicing until shifting becomes natural instinct to you.

I’m more of an instinctive driver, so shifting comes as naturally as breathing to me, but my braking and throttle control lacks precision (and thus consistency).

I was using the demo ghost with a 0.3 offset. Makes it easier for me to tell whether I’m faster or slower than my own ghost in the Sport Mode Time Trials without being too distracting.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I first started playing GT during the pandemic (April 2020) with GT Sport, so I have a fair bit of experience.

For starting on Manual, I recommend the Magic Mountain Fiat 500 Mission race. A 17 HP car on a circuit with a steep incline is a good place to learn when and where to shift. From there, you then gradually move up to more powerful cars (like the Radical at Brands Hatch circuit experience, which needs to be short shifted before the bar is half full for maximum pace).

The basic rule of thumb is lower gears for acceleration and/or turning, higher gears for top speed and/or stability. The ultimate goal is to keep practicing until shifting becomes natural instinct to you.

I’m more of an instinctive driver, so shifting comes as naturally as breathing to me, but my braking and throttle control lacks precision (and thus consistency).

I was using the demo ghost with a 0.3 offset. Makes it easier for me to tell whether I’m faster or slower than my own ghost in the Sport Mode Time Trials without being too distracting.

I think I will try to get GOLD still in AT, bur then I will at least try MT. Somehow I think it is too many things to do on a small controller. But I will give it a try later, after I get GOLD at Spa.

Somehow it is not that easy for me. I think I am learning and progressing, but it is a big effort and it takes more time that I was hoping it will

 

[330_D]

Well done. This is a bit too much to handle now, but I will try to learn. How did you learn? Any tutorial you can recommend? Anything that helped you?

Is this a default ghost? What is the offset? 0.3 or 0.4?

If you go manual, don't switch back. Your time will suffer initially but quickly you will figure it out and time will come. Just do it. Don't wait. It's the first next level thing that everyone who really wants to get better should do. I drove auto for every release in this series until GT7. I made the switch and I'm a WAY faster driver and more consistent as well You can find the hidden speed when properly shifting a car for the power it makes and in the way it makes it. Figuring out the shifting feels daunting at first but it quickly becomes muscle memory. You aren't unlearning a thing, you are adding to what you already learned. Much easier...

Long story short, just switch to manual. Right now. 😂🍻

 

[happycorey]

I figured I would do another lap but with the AT transmission. I think you could run much faster if you learned MT but it is certainly possible to get gold with AT.