How to take it to the next level in GT7?

[Lightpilgrim]

I find Spa and Catalunya very hard, just buy the nature of the corner configuration of them is very similar.

Suzuka I find very easy, although hitting a good spoon is always a 70/30 game for me.

With sector 1 at Suzuka you have to think like a metronome in that the speed through there is mostly coasted and lightly braked. I'll see if I have a replay, but the main key is after t1/2 you should just be gently flowing until the exit to the left which if you get it right is full throttle all the way out to degna 1 which is a corner if you get the curb right will set you perfectly for degna 2 (drop a gear)

For the first turn at Suzuka, each car is slightly different but they all follow a similar approach, medium brake to make the first right, steady/straighten and then brake harder but if you can release the brake as early as poss to get a straighter turn in for T2

Of the 3 I found lemans the most difficult but part of that is lack of track knowledge and no interest in GR1 cars in the game.

If I find a sector one vid ill edit it in

I cannot explain it. But it go me thinking that even F1 drivers are better in some track than others. Maybe this is personality, some style or traits. Like since the moment I saw Spa in GT7 I knew I wanted to master it. It had something magical for me. It has a „soul”.

Suzuka…very technical track. I struggle. Sector 1 and 2 very difficult for me.

 

[Lomic]

Suzuka is a bit weird to me. It needs a lot of practice to print in my head.

Le Mans is hard too, with the Gr.1 car... you have to be so fast in some parts of the track...

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Suzuka is a bit weird to me. It needs a lot of practice to print in my head.

Le Mans is hard too, with the Gr.1 car... you have to be so fast in some parts of the track...

Managed to do all sectors GOLD in Suzuka, but full lap is 2.3 sec off. Miles to go. A ton of practice. So many turns

My target for today was all sectors gold and to try and be 1 sec off GOLD in full lap. Usually if I am 1 sec off, it means I more or less start understanding the track. From here I need to work hard on details and practice.

Got a bit closer, 0.4 sec off. I think it is doable. Just need to spend more time practicing.

 

[Nebuc72]

Pad lap I just ran at Suzuka if you're interested in a reference (1:45.8):



Only things I'd note - there's essentially no reason to not run Brake Balance at +5 with the current physics model. It's unbelievably forgiving, especially on pad, and the extra rotation is well needed with how understeer heavy the game currently is.
Aside from that, it was manual, all assists off but ABS on Weak.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Pad lap I just ran at Suzuka if you're interested in a reference (1:45.8):



Only things I'd note - there's essentially no reason to not run Brake Balance at +5 with the current physics model. It's unbelievably forgiving, especially on pad, and the extra rotation is well needed with how understeer heavy the game currently is.
Aside from that, it was manual, all assists off but ABS on Weak.

I'll ask here rather than DM but we really have differing approaches to BB as I always run mine front biased for my style, but I know I'm not massively slow.

To the question what are you gaining with rear bias over front bias?

 

[imChris]

I think you're applying too much brake pressure in turn 1/2, this causes a lot of understeer. You only need to apply around 50% there (I personally don't brake for the first corner at all, just lift off the gas). Gr.2 cars have a ton of downforce and you'd be surprised how much they can stick to the road in corners

 

[Eliminatorek]

I'll ask here rather than DM but we really have differing approaches to BB as I always run mine front biased for my style, but I know I'm not massively slow.

To the question what are you gaining with rear bias over front bias?

That is interesting to jump in. Me too like to always go with BB + as much as it doesn't end spinning too much. So question. Do you Pro guys find much + oresulting Bb reducing the breaking force in Gt7? Theoretically it should.
In example I was never able to breaker strong enough in Assets corsa not to bump the AI using same breaking points.

Regarding tracks:
My favorite trio is Spa, Barca and Nurb GP. All trained best due to special events. GTsport Hamilton event at Nurb, Barca due to Asseto Event to gold and Spa just because it is so much utilized in Gt7.
With Szuka I'm in a club of not feeling confident there.. first two Corners are very skillful, still not there myself.

EDT some misspellings

 

[happycorey]

You're doing yourself a disservice by not even attempting to try the online time trials. They will push you harder than the CE ever will AND there's bonus credits on the table.

It will help you understand the layout of most tracks and when to push or when to approach turns more sensibly.

 

[Nebuc72]

I'll ask here rather than DM but we really have differing approaches to BB as I always run mine front biased for my style, but I know I'm not massively slow.

To the question what are you gaining with rear bias over front bias?

Brake bias to the rear means there's less stopping the front wheels from turning, and more allowing the back of the car to pivot.
Originally I would also run less than +5 but current physics mean there's no point, you will struggle to find any instability and +5 just gives you the most rotation avaliable.

Apparently on 4WD Gr.4 it's backwards and -5 is the most rotation, but I've never tested it.

 

[Eliminatorek]

Yes I go + for pivoting. But does it mean it leads to longer breaking distance?
EDT Does it downside worse breaking force

 

[newmedia_dev]

Brake bias to the rear means there's less stopping the front wheels from turning, and more allowing the back of the car to pivot.
Originally I would also run less than +5 but current physics mean there's no point, you will struggle to find any instability and +5 just gives you the most rotation avaliable.

Apparently on 4WD Gr.4 it's backwards and -5 is the most rotation, but I've never tested it.

Physics wise that is so anti intuitive, but GT does GT things.

I run braking to the front to slow harder and lighten the rear for the turn in. 2 sides of the same coin outcome wise but kinda funny.

Dragging Rear brake from my bike days serves a very different purpose. And in the race cars I've driven the big piston count and discs were at the front

 

[Nebuc72]

Physics wise that is so anti intuitive, but GT does GT things.

I run braking to the front to slow harder and lighten the rear for the turn in. 2 sides of the same coin outcome wise but kinda funny.

Dragging Rear brake from my bike days serves a very different purpose. And in the race cars I've driven the big piston count and discs were at the front

I think it's all a bit meaningless now anyway. ABS is so 'perfect' again that it will give you exactly the amount of pressure you need in the right place, so that the only effects you'll feel from it come from driving style.

In 1.49-1.55 ABS would a bit more accurately pulse against the wheels if you were leaning on it too much, and so moving the BB meant a lot more as you were directly responding to what tyres were locking up/triggering ABS. There was a lot more flexibility to working with it based on how you wanted to drive.

 

[newmedia_dev]

I think it's all a bit meaningless now anyway. ABS is so 'perfect' again that it will give you exactly the amount of pressure you need in the right place, so that the only effects you'll feel from it come from driving style.

In 1.49-1.55 ABS would a bit more accurately pulse against the wheels if you were leaning on it too much, and so moving the BB meant a lot more as you were directly responding to what tyres were locking up/triggering ABS. There was a lot more flexibility to working with it based on how you wanted to drive.

Agreed. It's a little on rails now and we can see that in some of the daily lobbies a lot of random peeps "over driving" and over achieving. Then for some reason (it's ok to have a single car race) mix lobbies in to very very differential pace, so nobody has a good time and if they do fair play.

 

[Eliminatorek]

Dragging Rear brake from my bike days serves a very different purpose. And in the race cars I've driven the big piston count and discs were at the front

That is how I understand the physics IRL - no good reason to overshoot the size and strength of rear breaks, front is a master for force of breaking. But does GT7 reflect in breaker force when adjusting the breaker bias?
This would result in breaking distance and tyre wear. So again question: does it in GT7?

 

[newmedia_dev]

That is how I understand the physics IRL - no good reason to overshoot the size and strength of rear breaks, front is a master for force of breaking. But does GT7 reflect in breaker force when adjusting the breaker bias?
This would result in breaking distance and tyre wear. So again question: does it in GT7?

It may and does affect wear, you can shift the balance either direction but personally I feel like a rear bias (extreme) is much more suited to controller users.

Front bias for wheel and VR users seems sensible as the braking happens in a completely different mental/physical bubble.

But and this is the crux it's preference and driving style, definitely not a pivotal thing

 

[Nebuc72]

That is how I understand the physics IRL - no good reason to overshoot the size and strength of rear breaks, front is a master for force of breaking. But does GT7 reflect in breaker force when adjusting the breaker bias?
This would result in breaking distance and tyre wear. So again question: does it in GT7?

It affects wear linerally, more rear bias = more rear wear - more front bias = more front wear.

I don't think it changes braking distance, like I said the ABS is too perfect for that, it'll always give you exactly what you need.

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I think you're applying too much brake pressure in turn 1/2, this causes a lot of understeer. You only need to apply around 50% there (I personally don't brake for the first corner at all, just lift off the gas). Gr.2 cars have a ton of downforce and you'd be surprised how much they can stick to the road in corners

I am under no illusion that I do not know or understand Suzuka. Monza and Spa I do. On my level. I have done a lot to study, feel, understand and was very committed. Interlagos I did very intuitively and it was not very hard to be honest. This lap in Suzuka that was 0.4 sec off Gold came as a surprise to me because I have not done enough of work to understand the track and to place the car where I want it to be. Like I did in Spa. So yes, will take time to understand it a bit more. But at least I see it can be done:-)

P.S. will follow your advice in S1 turn 1:-)

You're doing yourself a disservice by not even attempting to try the online time trials. They will push you harder than the CE ever will AND there's bonus credits on the table.

It will help you understand the layout of most tracks and when to push or when to approach turns more sensibly.

I will. Give me time:-) 2-3 weeks:-)

I am under no illusion that I do not know or understand Suzuka. Monza and Spa I do. On my level. I have done a lot to study, feel, understand and was very committed. Interlagos I did very intuitively and it was not very hard to be honest. This lap in Suzuka that was 0.4 sec off Gold came as a surprise to me because I have not done enough of work to understand the track and to place the car where I want it to be. Like I did in Spa. So yes, will take time to understand it a bit more. But at least I see it can be done:-)

P.S. will follow your advice in S1 turn 1:-)

Thanks for the advice! See if better this time:-)

Slower car, slower track. I like mid engine cars for learning things like this because they are really well balanced. Put some sticky (er) tires on so you aren't worried as much about grip and just play. Run laps until you feel sort of consistent and then try something in game a little harder. That's my suggestion.

Like what car and track for example? Something that I can practice. Thanks for suggesting!

 

[330_D]

Like what car and track for example? Something that I can practice. Thanks for suggesting!

Lago Maggiore is flowy and rewards smoothness. I like the BMW M3 Evo. It's super balanced, rewards precision, but also forgives. Has great brakes and is really nimble but also will go like a bat out of hell if driven well (for what it is anyway). It's a good car to progress with as it will teach you technique. If you trail brake well with it, it's really rewarding.

 

[benjoi84]

Lago Maggiore is flowy and rewards smoothness. I like the BMW M3 Evo. It's super balanced, rewards precision, but also forgives. Has great brakes and is really nimble but also will go like a bat out of hell if driven well (for what it is anyway). It's a good car to progress with as it will teach you technique. If you trail brake well with it, it's really rewarding.

Keep it on Comfort Tyres!

 

[330_D]

Keep it on Comfort Tyres!

I prefer them for sure. Not everyone does. And maybe just a little stickier is easier to learn how to shift because you didn't have to stress the traction so much. Just my opinion. 🍻

 

[Lightpilgrim]

I tried Suzuka today to see if I have remembered the circuit. I did make 4 bigger mistakes (no TC). But managed to better my lap time from yesterday by 0.4 sec. I do not know how much of a lap time I lost because of these mistakes.

 

[KamyKaze1098]

Just stop doing track experiences and learn to drive manual first.
That’s key if you want to improve. Cause you’re learning the track without it, and then you’ll have to learn them again…

 

[imChris]

I tried Suzuka today to see if I have remembered the circuit. I did make 4 bigger mistakes (no TC). But managed to better my lap time from yesterday by 0.4 sec. I do not know how much of a lap time I lost because of these mistakes.

Nicely done man, you're improving rapidly

 

[Lightpilgrim]

Just stop doing track experiences and learn to drive manual first.
That’s key if you want to improve. Cause you’re learning the track without it, and then you’ll have to learn them again…

I am doing it in parallel. Want to learn the tracks. Also picking a slower track and a slower car to learn MT. I tried yesterday - a nightmare