How to tune the tranny?

[miko1337]

First lower your top speed, then change the final gear. Don't do it in the opposite way. If you did it in the opposite way, then reset it to normal, then lower top speed, then change final gear.

TwinTurboCH told me to have a short first gear and a long last gear. I don't know why, but I have exactly opposite lol. But his tunes are based on real life.

You could make a couple of gears shorter, but when you change the final gear, you shouldn't change the gears individually, because it will cause you to get problems while drifting, it will add a boost effect while drifting which can cause you to spin out. If you change the final gear, just change the last and first gear.

If you use a wheel, try to get a good flow between gears 3-5 or 4-5. Make those gears longer, a medium turbo would help for long gears.

Thank you. Seems like someone would have had enough sense to post this on the first page.

 

[Conza]

While that may be true the original topic was attempting to solve why his gear ratios couldn't get to the ratios given by the original tuner.

It wasn't written in such a way that I interpret as a request for tips for setting up gearboxes for drifting. Hence the reactions of "This should be in the tuning forum" as it's general tuning related not specifically drifting. As such this question would be best asked in the tuning forum.

But we're just going around in circles repeating the same thing here so I won't be discussing the matter further as it is now very seriously derailing the thread.

If anybody wishes to discuss this further my PM box is open, I don't bite

Hey dude, checking if this thread isn't/is moving? It's kinda border line imo, because not all tuners are drifters, but many drifters are tuners... So my 2 cents is that it should still be here, because A. Despite the misleading title, the body of the OP does state drifitng (atleast now if it didn't before) and B. I think he's got the answer by now anyway.

In regards to the problem, I don't drift, but I do vaguely tune my own stuff, more so transmissions, and for racing it's quite simple, go the the fastest track, try to max the car's speed out, and after two or three goes, you should have the right speed for your bhp/weight, ect.

For drifting, my educated guess would be smoothness, and largeness of the gears, especially in turbo cars to try and quash that turbo kicking in, large enough that the rpm will stay relatively consistent in a corner, but small enough that you can get enough speed, which is why having a 'shorter' first gear makes sense, accelerate to the corner, 2nd gear, and then just cruise through it.

 

[Nismo34]

Hey dude, checking if this thread isn't/is moving? It's kinda border line imo, because not all tuners are drifters, but many drifters are tuners... So my 2 cents is that it should still be here, because A. Despite the misleading title, the body of the OP does state drifitng (atleast now if it didn't before) and B. I think he's got the answer by now anyway.

In regards to the problem, I don't drift, but I do vaguely tune my own stuff, more so transmissions, and for racing it's quite simple, go the the fastest track, try to max the car's speed out, and after two or three goes, you should have the right speed for your bhp/weight, ect.

For drifting, my educated guess would be smoothness, and largeness of the gears, especially in turbo cars to try and quash that turbo kicking in, large enough that the rpm will stay relatively consistent in a corner, but small enough that you can get enough speed, which is why having a 'shorter' first gear makes sense, accelerate to the corner, 2nd gear, and then just cruise through it.

The question was how to achieve the stated gear ratios for the tune he was using. A) He is using a set tune, which means the ideal person to ask would be the one who created the tune and B) Whether its for drifting or not, the tuning forum would have a better group of people who know how to tune the transmission properly, end of story. Stupid sub-forum to have the thread in, simple as that.

 

[miko1337]

The question was how to achieve the stated gear ratios for the tune he was using. A) He is using a set tune, which means the ideal person to ask would be the one who created the tune and B) Whether its for drifting or not, the tuning forum would have a better group of people who know how to tune the transmission properly, end of story. Stupid sub-forum to have the thread in, simple as that.

So that means drift tunes shouldn't be in the drift forum, gotcha. Nice logic buddy. 👍

 

[Nismo34]

So that means drift tunes shouldn't be in the drift forum, gotcha. Nice logic buddy. 👍

If it is blatantly obviously a Drift tune, then yes, it does belong in the Drift forum, however, specific questions on how to tune a certain thing (being that its not specifically drift related) belong in the tuning forum. Plus, had you have used the search button in the tuning forum, Im quite positive that you would have found your answer instead of creating a useless thread in the wrong sub-forum.

 

[Bluntified]

So that means drift tunes shouldn't be in the drift forum, gotcha. Nice logic buddy. 👍

Drift tunes should be in "Tuning"! Hence "Tune"! If you look around in this sub forum (drifting), show us where it has any tunes in it....oh, that would be in the Tuning forum, it even has stickies for drifting!!!

Why do people question others logic when they lack it them self??

I'm totally with Nismo on this one. Admins don't waste their time making sub forums and forums, for nothing!

 

[michrulejj]

Ok if i can say anything as a by stander let me say this. I am big into drag racing and in the drag forums we talk about drag tunes, help other people and their tunes, and having base tunes posted there. Whats so wrong with it? How many of you guys that drift a lot check the tuning forum every time you get on here? I never do and I get on every day. This is my logic
1) These are drift tunes so put it in the drift forums
2) I would ask myself where could I get the most help on my Drift setup? The drift forum.

We do this in the drag forums and it works fine but this is my 2 cents as an outsider looking in.

 

[Nismo34]

2) I would ask myself where could I get the most help on my Drift setup? The drift forum.

We do this in the drag forums and it works fine but this is my 2 cents as an outsider looking in.

The only help he needs is to get his gear ratios to the same value as the tune he's basing off. Not a drift specific question as most people have trouble matching up the gear ratios to the tune they are using. I am 100% certain that threads asking how to get the ratios matching up have appeared more commonly in the tuning forum, thus he should look there.

 

[KING OF SKULLS]

2 of 37 on topic responses..............well:

 

[Gonales]

Just to make something clear... Drifting is not racing. Some of the best racers on GT5 don't have a clue about drifting, so why ask them for help? Anything drift related, belongs in the drifting section.

I'm either in the drifting or opinions section, I never look anywhere else. Which is kind of logical, since I don't like grip racing. Besides... If every type of motorsport would have their setups in the Tuning forum, it would get cluttered like hell. This is way more clear.

 

[michrulejj]

Agreed^^ Back on topic (i'm not the best drifter so... this is just my opionion) Set up your trans to harness the most torque you can. Look at your torque and HP graph and set your trans to have the RPMS run in that general area. You want to get the most out of your car you can so set it up where you are at peak HP when you drift. Just my $0.02

 

[Gonales]

Agreed^^ Back on topic (i'm not the best drifter so... this is just my opionion) Set up your trans to harness the most torque you can. Look at your torque and HP graph and set your trans to have the RPMS run in that general area. You want to get the most out of your car you can so set it up where you are at peak HP when you drift. Just my $0.02

Not always, when you have too much wheelspin, you add too much length to a gear to lessen the torque But mostly, you're right.

 

[GhostZ]

Agreed^^ Back on topic (i'm not the best drifter so... this is just my opionion) Set up your trans to harness the most torque you can. Look at your torque and HP graph and set your trans to have the RPMS run in that general area. You want to get the most out of your car you can so set it up where you are at peak HP when you drift. Just my $0.02

In drifting more torque isn't more speed or angle, and it's rarely better to have more torque without changing anything else.

You want to set up your transmission in a range where the rear wheel torque stays above a certain lower limit, and below an upper limit, with both of those limits as close to possible as what the tire can handle at max before complete wheelspin. The lower limit should be still able to spin the tire at full throttle, but not at some throttle, and the higher limit should be able to spin the tire at low throttle but not excessively spin it at high throttle. The result is a balanced, progressive and predictable torque that allows the car to float over the track without transferring power where it doesn't need to be.

After that, you can customize the location of the gears relative to their speeds to optimize to a particular course.

Unfortunately, most drifters do not look at it in this way and just add more power until they can just power-over every corner.

 

[michrulejj]

Ok I see now. I have to lengthen my most recent drift car ( a '69 vette) and it has extremely bad torque and HP graph. Within like 1K of redline I lose about half my power... So thats were I am coming from.

 

[EH3B18C93]

So much bickering over whether this thread is in the right subforum or not, I can't bring myself to wade through it.

GET OVER IT!!!

The most likely reason for the inability to match ratios is installed parts or order of modification.

Again, I couldn't get through all of the crap and this may have been said already.

Some parts (the ones I know of: Staged engine upgrades, ECU tuning, sports catalytic converter, and any exhaust system) increase the maximum engine speed and therefor adjust the possible ratios within the gearbox tuning menu. Re-check the tune to see that you haven't equipped any of these when they haven't been indicated.

Also, the order in which you make adjustments in the gearbox tuning menu can dictate the end result, so be sure you follow the directions in the tune.

If neither of these seem to be the source of your difficulties, consider taking the time to figure out how each of the settings influence the way a car operates and play with them until each particular car is to your liking.