[Hypothetical] Supposing I came last every race...

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I’ve come back to Gran Turismo after being away for a few years. I’ve been racing for two to three weeks now and find that the amount of knuckle heads online aren’t as bad as I had read about. Having said that, I have been punted a couple of times but I feel like most of them weren’t intentional. I started out driving in survival mode like you suggested but the desire to compete kinda took over me and I mix it up without trying to win every race and make every pass. So far I’m having a blast and while my SR tends to stay maxed out, my DR hasn’t gotten more than half way out of a D rating. That’s okay for the time being while I work on developing my chops and become more competitive. Good luck and have fun.
 
RikkiGT-R
I am genuinely looking forward to it now :gtpflag:
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I'm 52 and I still get a buzz out of online racing. Managing my wobbly nerves, keeping the heart rate in check to avoid a coronary and desperately trying to remember to keep breathing when I go wheel to wheel. (I always fail on that last one.:lol:)

If you've got a thick enough skin for online racing, you'll slap yourself for not doing it sooner. Good luck with your first race.👍
 
This is actually how I got the achievement for 15 consecutive clean races out of the way, right when I started out. Didn't qualify and just let everyone drive off 15 times in a row. It's near impossible to get that achievement later on without obliterating your DR. Needless to say that my SR was maxed out at the end.
 
Pancake90
This is actually how I got the achievement for 15 consecutive clean races out of the way, right when I started out. Didn't qualify and just let everyone drive off 15 times in a row. It's near impossible to get that achievement later on without obliterating your DR. Needless to say that my SR was maxed out at the end.
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SR is something I’m desperate to look after. I want to build the reputation of a clean racer.
 
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And we’re off :bowdown:
 
The frustrations are just that... at the end of the day you still need some grey area and there is always going to be different points of view. It still doesn't keep the game from ultimately being fun. My advice is decide how you want to approach it, and then stay with that. When you stick to your own plan and play within the boundaries you set, it's best. I've decided I want to race clean and drive like it's a real car... meaning if someone looks to be trouble, in the big picture, I think it's best to stay away-- don't defend when its pointless (if someone's willing to punt you, they will punt you...), don't retaliate. Eventually you will be fast enough to avoid the guys in your mirror, and meantime it only slows you down to clown around dealing with them.

I'd also suggest: before you let the red mist take over, just plan to save the replay, and see what you can learn. Sometimes it's not what you think happened, other times you can learn how you might have avoided it, or even whether you contributed to it. Watch and learn, but meantime, no sense raging until the race is over.

Incremental gains stacked one on top of the other add up over time, and it's better than bouncing up and down. And ultimately I'm getting faster with each small step and additional experience. There's no shortcut to winning races, anyway. Watch guys online: it looks easy for them, right? Why? Repetition, the experience, the combined muscle memory and hand/eye coordination built up over many miles. It's no different for any of us...
 
@KosmoKazi - very well written post, thanks for taking the time to add your thoughts, much appreciated.


Regarding the game, nobody told me about GT League, which appears to be pretty much Gran Turimso mode. That, plus driving school, mission challenge, circuit experience... this game is everything I could ever ask for.

Why did I wait so long? It’s fantastic.
 
RikkiGT-R
nobody told me about GT League
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Because it's not worth mentioning?:lol:

PD stopped giving prize cars for winning events (an unforgivable omission) and the AI is the slowest and dumbest it's ever been. Most people just use it as a self lobotomizing cash grinding (Premium races) tool. The polar opposite of 'fun'.

If you want to be a quicker, more competent driver, you have to race against people who are better or at least more experienced than you are.
 
kilesa4568
Because it's not worth mentioning?:lol:

PD stopped giving prize cars for winning events (an unforgivable omission) and the AI is the slowest and dumbest it's ever been
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Yeah I’ve realised this after the first couple of races. I’ll still do them for the cash and to easily level up at the start, but it’s definitely no competition :lol:
 
RikkiGT-R
Having watched a lot of videos lately, and read numerous threads of people being rightly disgruntled at GTS' penalty system, it got me thinking...

Supposing I start each race and actively avoid other drivers, make no effort to defend the racing line, move over to let basically anyone past and so on. Would that effect my rating negatively? I'm by no means a beginner, but I've always avoiding playing online because people, by and large, are idiots. They are actively idiotic and go out of their way to be absolute morons. The penalty system in GTS has done nothing to temper these persuasions.
I've got the game ordered now, should be here by Thursday, and I'm going to have to race online. But I'm genuinely considering simply taking part, starting the race and getting to the finish line with as little fuss as possible. My #1 goal for any race will be to finish it without ever so much as bumping into another driver, even if that means slowing down from first place at the last corner to let #2 past - just in case he might crash into me otherwise. I really don't care.

So hypothetically, where would that get me? Is there a negative rating for back markers? I'm not going to intentionally come last, I'll still drive the way I drive, but I will not be aggressive/defensive in the slightest. I've noticed there is an economy in-game (yay), but will I not earn money at all unless I push for podium finishes?
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I just started GT a about 12 days ago. So right or wrong here is my input.

Daily races are quiet balanced, although doing a few races in a lobby would be good practice for etiquette and to get a feel for the car and game. I found there are utter idiots who will side swipe you, but these drivers are very much in the minority. Most will be like us, determined to enjoy a good race. You will make mistakes and others will to you, and that can scupper your race, but after a few races you become more confident.

Dont open the door to other cars, your not going to learn anything and there is little need to, as most, as i said, just want to race,

I have just moved up in ranking now and there is massive difference of quality and fairness, which you will enjoy, which is why you will need to do well in races, to find better quality races.

One Tip i found helped me ( reading this forum ), just find a stable care you can drive and keep on the track, I won a few races not because of speed but others flying off the track. I found the Porsche 911 very stable to drive and is a competitive car whith a wheel and No aids apart from TCS .

Good Luck, and if you wish to add me so we can race together, feel free to do so.
 
VillanUK
I just started GT a about 12 days ago. So right or wrong here is my input.

Daily races are quiet balanced, although doing a few races in a lobby would be good practice for etiquette and to get a feel for the car and game. I found there are utter idiots who will side swipe you, but these drivers are very much in the minority. Most will be like us, determined to enjoy a good race. You will make mistakes and others will to you, and that can scupper your race, but after a few races you become more confident.

Dont open the door to other cars, your not going to learn anything and there is little need to, as most, as i said, just want to race,

I have just moved up in ranking now and there is massive difference of quality and fairness, which you will enjoy, which is why you will need to do well in races, to find better quality races.

One Tip i found helped me ( reading this forum ), just find a stable care you can drive and keep on the track, I won a few races not because of speed but others flying off the track. I found the Porsche 911 very stable to drive and is a competitive car whith a wheel and No aids apart from TCS .

Good Luck, and if you wish to add me so we can race together, feel free to do so.
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Its like earlier posters said. Forget DR it does not really matter and will hopefully put you in grids of similar speed drivers. Ignore SR at your peril - if you drop down it takes work to restore SR because you will be in many many collisions with other low SR rated drivers.
 
RikkiGT-R
@KosmoKazi

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Why did I wait so long? It’s fantastic.
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Once I started with GTS this was exactly what I said to myself.
You will come across some people who you think are stone cold crazy, but you also meet those people in real life and you wouldnt let them get in the way of you doing what you need to do to get where you want to get,
RikkiGT-R
You have some good times on this, even tho I’m getting gold on the driving school and course mastery parts, I’m still some distance away from you :nervous:
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Those times were after countless do'overs lol, hoping muscle memory wakes up at some point (my memory muscles are very weak :lol:).

As @KosmoKazi said, small steps will get you to where you want to be:tup:
 
@8l23ub to be fair I’m ahead of you on Le Mans and Nürburgring (and a few other tracks and sectors) so I’m not totally demoralized. Starting to get the hang of it.

I do need more friends tho, I’ve only a few “rivals” in these things at the minute.

I really must say tho, the handling and physics really are flawless. Love this game so far.
 
JayRS200
I totally get where you're coming from. For that exact reason I've never did an FIA season at any level. I know it's just a game but I was totally put off by my 2nd and 3rd ever FIA race. Cars stuck on the grid and then racing alone while the race was ongoing in the background somehow. Then of course there's the penalty system. I don't have the patience for crap like that and I shouldn't have to.
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The only DNF I have for my entire career is an FIA race that kicked everyone from the lobby during qualifying.
 
RikkiGT-R
What do you mean META?

Also in my second race...
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I’ve never been so happy to finish 2nd :lol:
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The META is the car that is the Most Effective Tool Avaliable (my kids keep me up to date on new internet tech lingo because I'm old and know nothing :lol:), I checked the leaderboard earlier and the majority of the top times were set with the Pug RCZ, It seems to be the top dog, but at the start of your journey trying a variety of cars is the way to go.
 
@RikkiGT-R

No negative comments then? Good job with getting your feet wet but any negative comments you want to share?:D

On these meta's, if you look at the top 10 times and know you can get close to whatever time they've set and know your race will have people just as skilled as you are in it, use the meta. It's a meta for a reason. If, however, you look at the top ten and say "🤬 me...that's fast...what the hell am I doing wrong?", Use whatever car you like.:lol:
 
@kilesa4568 - no negative comments from me :D

I actually had great fun in my few races so far, and it's far more exciting than racing the dumb AI and infinitely more fun than racing the 90% moron field you find in Forza online. I did see one ram attempt - just ahead of me someone cut across that really tight right turn at the top of the hill on Red Bull Arena at full speed, flew through the car ahead and that was the last I saw of him. Otherwise it was all good.
It's really hard to overtake though… but I don't mind, I will happily finish wherever I finish, so long as I don't cause any incidents.
 
kilesa4568
Your rank doesn't start till you've done 5 races. Plenty of time to reach the S rating for when it starts to matter.
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I really don’t see how I’m going to win many races. Does it improve without coming first?
The race I came second; first place was a good 10 seconds ahead of me (I was 5 ahead of third place though).
There is always someone quite a bit faster than me no matter what race I’m in.
 
RikkiGT-R
I really don’t see how I’m going to win many races. Does it improve without coming first?
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Have a look at this reply by Sven Jurgens as he explains it much better than I could ever do: https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/dr-point-calculations.393762/#post-13099431

My simplistic explanation is to try and finish higher than my door number as that's my race rank based on my DR. If it says 20 and I finish 19th, my DR goes up. If it says 1 and I finish 2nd, it goes down so every position counts.
 

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