Hyundai Ioniq 5N is Coming to Gran Turismo 7’s Next Update

[Famine]

Read post #228 if you haven’t. Otherwise, read it again.

I quoted it in my post. It was just before you switched from the definite article to the indefinite one when referring to a purported "green agenda" after being called out on presenting it as a conspiracy and playing the innocent.

Again, not a shocker given your form. I still remember the stupidity and overt lies about temperatures (wherein you claimed one thing - which had no relevance to the topic even being discussed - and objective data showed that was untrue), and there was the hilarious, circular performance on "woke" much more recently.

You just... can't help it. But you've been caught out, again. Stop digging and give it up.

 

[Nielsen]

I quoted it in my post. It was just before you switched from the definite article to the indefinite one when referring to a purported "green agenda" after being called out on presenting it as a conspiracy and playing the innocent.

It wasn’t really a calculated switch.

Again, not a shocker given your form. I still remember the stupidity and overt lies about temperatures (wherein you claimed one thing - which had no relevance to the topic even being discussed - and objective data showed that was untrue), and there was the hilarious, circular performance on "woke" much more recently.

You just... can't help it. But you've been caught out, again. Stop digging and give it up.

My form? Caught out? Digging? That’s harsh. I’m only discussing things.

 

[Famine]

 

[Lomic]

They are openly promoting the idea of phasing out ICE cars (green agenda) by saying that the 911 might go electric for the next generation.

Who's promoting that ?

 

[Scaff]

LOL, no. They are openly promoting the idea of phasing out ICE cars (green agenda) by saying that the 911 might go electric for the next generation. Question is if it’s intentional or not, but it’s not a conspiracy when you do it openly.

Yeah, no. You're the one reading far too much into that.

Exactly.

I know, but again I wasn't the one making blanket statements.

Statements made within the specific context of the discussion.

The discussion from you was that all EVs are bad, and one of the arguments you used was that they are bad because they weigh too much to be agile. You've used this as an argument both in specific model comparisons, but also as a blanket statement, please don't pretend otherwise.

Which performance model from BMW is closer to the i4 than the M4? M3?

Why does it need to be a performance model? The i4 is an EV variant of the 4-series Gran Coupe, it's not an EV version of the M4, its full name is even the i4 Gran Coupe. The closest ICE BMW model is the M440i Gran Coupe, not the M4 (and that's only of you are looking at the M50 i4).

I know that Ioniq is EV only. However, Hyundai N also pertains to ICE models. I already said this earlier.

So it has no comparable ICE version for a weight comparison, so your point is moot.

 

[Nielsen]

The discussion from you was that all EVs are bad, and one of the arguments you used was that they are bad because they weigh too much to be agile. You've used this as an argument both in specific model comparisons, but also as a blanket statement, please don't pretend otherwise.

“Blanket statements”

Why does it need to be a performance model? The i4 is an EV variant of the 4-series Gran Coupe, it's not an EV version of the M4, its full name is even the i4 Gran Coupe. The closest ICE BMW model is the M440i Gran Coupe, not the M4 (and that's only of you are looking at the M50 i4).

Because my rant originates from the concern that EVs aren’t ideal for circuit driving, as we do in Gran Turismo. You claim that no car is ideal, which isn’t wrong, but performance models like the M4 are engineered to be the ideal 4-Series on track. It may be that the M3 is closer to resembling i4 proportions. Not sure.

Now that you mention the M50 i4… I’m quite sure that’s the one I’ve been talking negatively about. I just forgot until I read the name again.

So it has no comparable ICE version for a weight comparison, so your point is moot.

I have a point, and it’s been the same all along. GT7 could feature something like the Hyundai i30 N, and we would still get to experience a Hyundai N product with the added benefits that it is lighter and far more modifiable in the game than the Ioniq 5N.

 

[McLaren]

No. I wouldn’t even argue that EVs have no place in racing games. They just fail to bring out the best in GT7, because the game and its fun potential has been designed around ICE conventions since Gran Turismo was first envisioned in the 1990s.

I more or less supported it from the very beginning. ICE cars are oftentimes fully compatible with the Tuning Shop and GT Auto.

"I can do everything with it in the game, but change the oil on my EV in the game. Literally unplayable for me".

What an absurd hill to die on.

I wouldn’t read too much into that. Some people got overly triggered by the “green agenda”. Apparently it’s taboo in this thread. No idea why.

Even after you hit that button, he’ll still silently have the final word.

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[Nielsen]

"I can do everything with it in the game, but change the oil on my EV in the game. Literally unplayable for me".

What an absurd hill to die on.

You forgot modifications in that fabricated quote. Good luck tuning the engine and replacing exhausts, filters and turbos on an EV.

 

[McLaren]

You forgot modifications in that fabricated quote. Good luck tuning the engine and replacing exhausts, filters and turbos on an EV.

There's no fabrication there, your argument is still very much, "I can't modify the car in the same way as an ICE & therefore, it doesn't belong in this game". A focal point just as goofy as it was with, "I prefer cars that bring most out of the game, and the EVs just don’t". Race 'em, take photos with 'em, make what use you can out of the GT Shop, most of the game is still available to them.


But, continue to stand on this weird line of, "I can't change the exhaust & that's my issue". You already gave away the game as to why this car "irks" you so much. Maybe next time PD add an EV, you'll actually follow your own advice, "I wouldn’t read too much into that" before you share your thoughts on it.

 

[Scaff]

“Blanket statements”

Yep.

Because my rant originates from the concern that EVs aren’t ideal for circuit driving, as we do in Gran Turismo. You claim that no car is ideal, which isn’t wrong, but performance models like the M4 are engineered to be the ideal 4-Series on track.

BMW could do a lot more to make even the likes of the M4 better than they are on track. It would just make them crap on road, even cars like these are still compromised for pure track use.

It may be that the M3 is closer to resembling i4 proportions. Not sure.

No, it's the 4-series Gran Coupe.

I have a point, and it’s been the same all along. GT7 could feature something like the Hyundai i30 N, and we would still get to experience a Hyundai N product with the added benefits that it is lighter and far more modifiable in the game than the Ioniq 5N.

And yet it wouldn't be the 5N, which is a very different car than the rest of the N range. Hell, the entire N range consists of quite different models, and ideally we would have all of them.

You forgot modifications in that fabricated quote. Good luck tuning the engine and replacing exhausts, filters and turbos on an EV.

Once again, a PD problem, not an EV problem.

Add mods for uprated batteries, wheel motors, software mapping, cooling, regeneration systems, etc.

There is no reason that EVs in the title can't be just as modifiable as ICE cars.

 

[Nielsen]

Yep.

BMW could do a lot more to make even the likes of the M4 better than they are on track. It would just make them crap on road, even cars like these are still compromised for pure track use.

I didn’t say otherwise.

No, it's the 4-series Gran Coupe.

Not a performance model, and I’ve already explained why “it needs to be”.

And yet it wouldn't be the 5N, which is a very different car than the rest of the N range. Hell, the entire N range consists of quite different models, and ideally we would have all of them.

You don’t say.

Once again, a PD problem, not an EV problem.

Add mods for uprated batteries, wheel motors, software mapping, cooling, regeneration systems, etc.

There is no reason that EVs in the title can't be just as modifiable as ICE cars.

We’ve also covered this. I base my feedback on what’s currently possible in GT7.

Seriously, this is going in circles by now. I’m entitled to my opinion and observations. You are entitled to yours. I don’t think there’s more to discuss.

 

[Scaff]

Quality rebutal.

I didn’t say otherwise.

Are you sure, you did say "performance models like the M4 are engineered to be the ideal 4-Series on track".

Not a performance model, and I’ve already explained why “it needs to be”.

And yet that explanation falls apart at the observation that GT7 has plenty of non-performance cars in it, and the reality that the i4 is an EV 4-Series Gran Coupe.

You don’t say.

I do, I just did.

We’ve also covered this. I base my feedback on what’s currently possible in GT7.

Seriously, this is going in circles by now. I’m entitled to my opinion and observations. You are entitled to yours. I don’t think there’s more to discuss.

Yet you aim your ire at EVs, rather than PDs lesser treatment of them.

 

[Dbwasson]

I especially wanna see that F1 car as well