I am now clear that GT5 is the best racing game
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I think that is one of GT5's greatest achievements or attributes: it shows just how much potential PD has. I have never played a game were the Nurburgring is as detailed as it is in GT5 and this is without laser scanning. The premiums in GT5 by far look the best on consoles and even look better than most PC sims. The lighting is also spot on with a few adjustments. Physics though there is room for improvement like always, is also the best on consoles without a doubt.
Beautifully modelled and accurate tracks combined with amazing looking cars with full modelled parts and interior, with amazing physics engine is the fundamentals of a sim game and PD have shown large potential is such areas. If only they can now improve sounds and add a livery editor GT series could be the defining sim on all platforms.
That is why I believe in Kaz.
I think that is one of GT5's greatest achievements or attributes: it shows just how much potential PD has. I have never played a game were the Nurburgring is as detailed as it is in GT5 and this is without laser scanning. The premiums in GT5 by far look the best on consoles and even look better than most PC sims. The lighting is also spot on with a few adjustments. Physics though there is room for improvement like always, is also the best on consoles without a doubt.
Beautifully modelled and accurate tracks combined with amazing looking cars with full modelled parts and interior, with amazing physics engine is the fundamentals of a sim game and PD have shown large potential is such areas. If only they can now improve sounds and add a livery editor GT series could be the defining sim on all platforms.
That is why I believe in Kaz.
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- AIexKidd
GT5 has one HUGE advantage above all other big titles. It has PD, a company that ONLY makes Gran Turismo games. All their money go there. No Sport games, no RPG's, no FPS games. Just GT. Thats a very important thing, seeing also how, in GT5, PD worked with Red Bull, Vettel, Top Gear staff, Jeff Gordon.......winners from SEMA show and many more are just some of the reasons why GT5 is superior (for me). Most people who argue about GT5/Forza, forget some of those things.
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Compared to the numerous racing games and series that I have played, GT kept me busy the most. There is always something to do....and I'm halfway done with The Run, one of the shortest games ever 
And I see myself reaching for that GT5 box again after that. 
And I see myself reaching for that GT5 box again after that. 
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- ThunderMarauder
All of you got it wrong. The best racing game is this
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- AIexKidd
Omg. It just hit me. How cool would it be to have Truck racing in GT5? +1000HP trucks, racing!
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I really want to add another thing to all of this:
Remember the tough times when we almost think that PD fooled us? Now it's clear that they not! If PD just want to sell their game I really doubt that GT5 will have such great support from developer. But no - they constantly improve their game! Try to fulfill their promises. And all this for us. They try as they can to resurrect our believe in PD and Kaz. That's no point in doing this if they was just "fooling" us in past. Of course someone say that "it's just all money". I feel sad for those guys because they can't distinguish "pure money machine" from "idea that need money for it's realization".
Remember the tough times when we almost think that PD fooled us? Now it's clear that they not! If PD just want to sell their game I really doubt that GT5 will have such great support from developer. But no - they constantly improve their game! Try to fulfill their promises. And all this for us. They try as they can to resurrect our believe in PD and Kaz. That's no point in doing this if they was just "fooling" us in past. Of course someone say that "it's just all money". I feel sad for those guys because they can't distinguish "pure money machine" from "idea that need money for it's realization".
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I do agree with everything you wrote. Majority of younger kids turn to arcade-ish games, like NFS and Forza, whereas people at their late teens (like me) and above prefer the style of GT5. For example Im in the "My Home" page listening to Jazz/Lounge music right now. If I had a Xbox, I would buy Forza. I have PS3, so I got GT5. If I was on PC only, I'd be playing that.... iRacing or what its name is. I have experienced the physics on Shift games, and I agree with one of the posts saying that cars handle wrong. Plus the helmet camera isn't as convenient as you may think. Cars feel heavy and many times you cant control them -> ruins the fun. I create an online lobby for me and my friends to chill on GT5, we wouldnt be able to do it in Forza or Shift, im sure of that. I've seen gameplay vids, Forza gets kinda tiring after a while. Overall, im not saying that GT5 is the best racing sim ever made, simply because:
1) Previous GT games had features I miss
2) We wont see a real sim game only until 2020+++
You do know that "late teens" are known as "younger kids" to us older gamers, right? So if I applied that to my age (35) then I should say most younger kids like GT5? Seriously...dont try and make it sound like GT5 if for mature older people, ok?
Second point, stop trying to judge a game from freekin videos. It would make sense that you have not played a game, dont critize it. Makes you look foolish. You like GT5 great, but why and try and put other games down that you have not played?
Many game companies only make a certain genre. Simbin, T10, Maddox Games, Egosoft, etc etc. Also many games are tied into the real world...
Gald you bow down to PD, but get your facts strait.
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I was afraid the little (not so funny, but yet intended) pun in my comment would go unnoticed. Sorry.
I have no clue about how good forza is. All I know is that in these discussions (of which there must be 8000 on this forum) always needs some forza-spark sooner or later to ignite the fire.
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mmm...And what? He trying to say that it's good that all PD efforts goes to GT. Also team itself is very important. So there is a perfect combination: inspired "head" (Kaz) + great team + money + just one game to make on one platform.
So what you're essentially saying is that anyone who prefers Forza to GT is crazy and doesn't know what GT is all about? Oh, and they're actually wrong in that opinion according to your last point?
Yet it took that one team 5+ years to make an (in their own words) unfinished game. Good stuff.
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I notice there are no invisible walls in that game like there are in GT5. (actually there are no walls at all.) That game rules.
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So what you're essentially saying is that anyone who prefers Forza to GT is crazy and doesn't know what GT is all about? Oh, and they're actually wrong in that opinion according to your last point?
Yet it took that one team 5+ years to make an (in their own words) unfinished game. Good stuff.
No. I didn't said what you understand. Read carefully, especially last point. Where I say "wrong"?
And you are predictable
No. I didn't said what you understand. Read carefully, especially last point. Where I say "wrong"?
And you are predictable
You claimed that the only people who think Forza is better than GT either:
a) Haven't played GT5
b) Have played GT5 but with a closed mind
c) Have played GT5 but didn't understand it
d) Know what both are about, still think Forza is better but that cannot say it is better, only that they prefer it to GT5. But it's not better.
Feel free to correct me if that isn't what you were saying.
The funny thing with Forza and Shift is that they are not that similar to GT5 as games. I was more surprised by the differences than similarities. But people like to argue.
Shift and Forza are not as focused on the realism and sim aspects to draw in more novice players but do pretty good in different areas. I think some parts of that is what hurts their long term usage.
Driving the ring on GT5 is really nice but also highlights how much effort has to go in to making an accurate experience. So I dont blame most developers not going for insane realism. Most people wont appreciate the differences. I agree about the ambition though, Polyphony make you excited for the future. They seem to come up with most of the little ideas and details that other games end up having. The biggest barrier for GT is the hardware it runs on. Ambition is not an issue as we get closer to reality each time. The perfect simulator will never exist but its nice to see Polyphony try
Shift and Forza are not as focused on the realism and sim aspects to draw in more novice players but do pretty good in different areas. I think some parts of that is what hurts their long term usage.
Driving the ring on GT5 is really nice but also highlights how much effort has to go in to making an accurate experience. So I dont blame most developers not going for insane realism. Most people wont appreciate the differences. I agree about the ambition though, Polyphony make you excited for the future. They seem to come up with most of the little ideas and details that other games end up having. The biggest barrier for GT is the hardware it runs on. Ambition is not an issue as we get closer to reality each time. The perfect simulator will never exist but its nice to see Polyphony try
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Basically I try to say all my points goes for all games.
First of all it can be "a), b) or c)", but c) is not a problem. Probably you may accept that things that are valuable for you for now can change as you grow. Who knows you (same as me!!!) can change opinion.
For the last point: If you played both games and enjoyed it you discover that:
1.Nothing to compare - they different (i.e. flower is not better that tree)
2.You may play both of them if you want it, but may find that one of it is suited for you and you don't need for another.
So again what I'm trying to say that you probably won't just say "FM is better", but say "I like FM4 more, hope you guys enjoy GT same as me FM4" (again no one is better, or "better" is subjective)
For me it's GT. But I really miss some of FM4 close battles.
Remember when Kaz plays FM3 he said: "games may look same at first sight but they are very different in their idea"(or soul)
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The funny thing with Forza and Shift is that they are not that similar to GT5 as games. I was more surprised by the differences than similarities. But people like to argue.
Shift and Forza are not as focused on the realism and sim aspects to draw in more novice players but do pretty good in different areas. I think some parts of that is what hurts their long term usage.
Driving the ring on GT5 is really nice but also highlights how much effort has to go in to making an accurate experience. So I dont blame most developers not going for insane realism. Most people wont appreciate the differences. I agree about the ambition though, Polyphony make you excited for the future. They seem to come up with most of the little ideas and details that other games end up having. The biggest barrier for GT is the hardware it runs on. Ambition is not an issue as we get closer to reality each time. The perfect simulator will never exist but its nice to see Polyphony try
I am going to have to say if you cannot find similarities between GT5, Shift, and Forza you are playing with your eyes close.
Also if you think Forza is not focused on realism, you have never played it. Physics-wise its steps ahead of GT5. The tire model alone makes it very sim-like, not to mention the actual tuning. Run a game of GT5 using the clutch. Then play a game of FM4 using the clutch. You will notice a huge "sim" error with GT5. Just saying...
You can like any game you want, but trying to downplay others, make it look like you are trying to justify GT5. Why? That insecure of your favorite game?
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Its pretty obvious that Turn 10 are appealing to a younger audience. With the inclusion of rewind control, a tonne of silly assists like one button driving (really lol) and modes like car bowling and wireless driving wheel. Hell, Turn 10 even said that they were happy that six year olds could play their games and wanted to have a racing game they could play with their son.
Yes because you cant dislike a game without playing it. I see MW3....I see it looks the same game as MW2 therefore I do not like it. I see FM4....I do not like the visuals or the features when driving....I do not like the online play.....I do not like the tracks either so I can criticise it albeit like you said if I were to comment on physics then it would be a silly assumption .
Agree with your last sentence.
Glad you bow down to Turn 10
(come on was that necessary see how childish that sounds)I think is this slowly becoming a FM vs GT thread. Before it does I think the Op meant for this thread on why do you think or what made you realise that GT5 is the best racing game you have played.
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I bought Shift 2 and played it 10 mins. One of the worst investitions (30€ in my life ^^
Unfortunately I also wasted ~550€ for an x360, FM3 & FM4 and an Fanatec GT2. Because I only bought the console for Forza and have no other game. I also bought an extra Fanatec GT2, only for Forza. I already own an GT3RSV2 that works with PS3/PC :/
in my life ^^Unfortunately I also wasted ~550€ for an x360, FM3 & FM4 and an Fanatec GT2. Because I only bought the console for Forza and have no other game. I also bought an extra Fanatec GT2, only for Forza. I already own an GT3RSV2 that works with PS3/PC :/
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Every thread now: Forza and GT this, and Forza and GT that.
It's really tired now. They both suck, stay on topic for once.
It's really tired now. They both suck, stay on topic for once.
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Shift unleashed games have great cars and tracks. They also claim to have most advance physics and tire simulation 
But I din't even bother with it. Probably will buy it sometime later.
GT5 is easily the best driving, racing game. Having said that, it needs more tracks and premium cars. I really hope they start giving some info about GT6 next year. I am sure they can make even better game and make good decision this time and get their priorities right
But I din't even bother with it. Probably will buy it sometime later.GT5 is easily the best driving, racing game. Having said that, it needs more tracks and premium cars. I really hope they start giving some info about GT6 next year. I am sure they can make even better game and make good decision this time and get their priorities right
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guys seriously is forza count as sim game ?
i dont see any sim in it ( i mean in driving and physics ) .
i dont see any sim in it ( i mean in driving and physics ) .
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