i am so confused with drifting on GT5

[sytfu]

All this time I figured drifting was an extreme action sport, but more and more I am being led to believe that its actually a slow, methodical, low risk motorsport..... (sarcasim).

Ok. Drifting (depending on the sanctioned body judging it) is judged on: line, angle, speed, and style for a add on. So can someone please explain to me how the common tire used is a freaking comfort hard? Since when did drifting on a round piece of plastic become popular? Hell, even r/c cars now have treaded rubber tires to drift now.

Its so annoying to hear "hey man, you're going too fast... you should change your tires". Or "it takes more skill to drift on comfort hards" oh, or my favorite... "my friend drive a 1million hp douche bag car and he says this feels exactly like it". Seriously? Hahah, what are you guys thinking? I wont devulge my credilentials, but trust ke when I say... drifting in its progessional, and grassroots form is based on GRIP. Countless hours go in to suspension geometry and setup... trying to obtain the best tires you can afford, and then figuring out how to put the power down properly.

Why are people brainwashed with comfort hard tires are the way to go?

I had a guy tell me in a room yesterday..."only thing you will do better than me is have speed I will have more angle, style and line than you will on your sport tires." He then proceeded to put on a terrible display of what could only be bettered by watching a baby giraffe be clobbed repeatedly in the head. It was so goofy looking I proceeded to dislike the guy. I entered the track on sport tires and tore him apart. My line, dead on, angle, far more.... and we wont even begin to bring speed into play.

Now my question is.... why is this going on? Are people trying to "simulate" arcade style driving on a "simulator"? Is this done to cover up the lack of car control, and so that the playing field can be leveled? Or am I just getting on during the wrong portions of the day?

Where are the real drivers that appreciate simulation to something similar to the feel of the real world counterparts?

Oh, and I will save this for later.... but what the hell is up with 14° negative camber on the rear of the car?


now in no way shape form of fashion do i feel like i am obligated to stay in these rooms... because obviously i have the free will to leave, which i do... but... these guys tend to come into my rooms and complain until i kick them out. yesterday i had a team tryout where as the stipulations for member hopefuls were to drive on sport tires of their choice... all of the sudden, epiphany... you could actually hear guys say, "ahh" as they started to figure out the level of grip, and abilities they were able to obtain with better tires on.

later i gave them setup suggestions that further allowed them to pull off fantastic drift realizm.

now i will end rant, and NO i dont feel like fixing all the grammatical errors, or punctuation, but i just wanted to air this out.


this is stupid.



end rant.

 

[SPANK]

I really hope your prepared for what is about to become of this. Oh and move this thread to the right spot.

GT5 Driting Forum

👍

And good luck with this!

 

[sytfu]

sorry, i did it on my phone... moved now.

 

[DGambino1]

LOL!!!

I'm not even going to get into this anymore... I prefer comfort hards as does the majority of the people in this forum... No one has to justify or explain why comfort hards are better (or worse) than the tires you use...

If you don't care for comfort hards - that's fine!! Just don't go into lobbies where the tires are restricted to comfort hards and stick to unrestricted lobbies... I'm not trying to be offensive or an a-hole, just telling it like it is...

Good luck and have fun man!

 

[sytfu]

ok, so here's the deal... thats what i do... why would i obviously go into a room that has "comfort hard or less" in plain view... i avoid that.

it's the fact that i go into unrestricted lobby's and people proceed to basically blast me for using something other than comfort tires, AND/OR kick me out. what part of the game is that?

if you really wanted me not to use these tires, restrict the room... dont have a open lobby, and then when i drive on what i want to drive on you get mad and kick me out, how in the hell does your opinion of CRAP drifting dominate my experiences? if you have the freedom of making the room, and you only want these specifications then make it so... dont give me a false impression of free will, then try to impose your will on me in a negative way.

if you like it, cool... dont dominate my experiences.

 

[DGambino1]

Hey I get kicked out of rooms too... It happens... I always get kicked out of the french lobbbies (LOL)!!!

You make valid points. Unfortunately not everyone has common sense online. Do what you like to do and just move lobbies... Easy as that... No point getting worked up over it...

 

[Goracle]

I understand how paradoxical it may seem, but here's my outlook on drifting:

There's a difference between competition drifting, and, for the lack of a better word, "community" drifting. The reason we (xat.com/EvergreenDrift) use comfort hards is because we LOVE tandem drifting; drift trains and endless smoking is all we do. With comfort hards, it is easy to initiate a drift, manage a drift, and finish a drift. When in a tandem (competition or for fun), it really helps to have that much flexibility in your tires.

Drifting to me is all smiles and havin' fun. And from what I've been though, there's almost an unwritten "drifting etiquette" (or general etiquette). For starters, no bumping, stay in position (CLEAN overtakes only), and common courtesy. I'm willing to end my drift so the people around me could enjoy theirs.

These guys aren't going very fast, but I'm sure as hell it's quite an experience:


If you haven't tried a drift train yet, the necessity for car control is, let's say, tripled; smoke is in your face, you don't want to go too slow or too fast, and you wanna look good with the others.


From what I've read, you're style of drifting is more for one-on-ones, rather than within a lobby of varying drift skill. I have nothing against that but keep an open mind, and stay sideways.

 

[sytfu]

i guess this rant has given you the wrong impressions. i'm not worked up over it by any means. BUT, it gets slightly annoying that i get in 5 unrestricted rooms in a row and people say "Comfort Hards are the Standard tire on GTplanet.net, so you dont know what you're talking about" OBVIOUSLY, theres some sort of breakdown on here that has people brainwashed as to their predjudice towards proper setups and tire useage.

now, i do understand this is online game play, and people do stuff just to be assholes, and or annoying, when they tune their cars.... loud obnoxious colored paints, and REDICULOUS amounts of camber..... but damn, when you come out and blatantly tell me that you will dominate and beat me into submission with your setup.... when i tell you to put your money where your mouth is and you get pounded, you kick me out??? hahaha, so annoying.

 

[sytfu]

I understand how paradoxical it may seem, but here's my outlook on drifting:

There's a difference between competition drifting, and, for the lack of a better word, "community" drifting. The reason we (xat.com/EvergreenDrift) use comfort hards is because we LOVE tandem drifting; drift trains and endless smoking is all we do. With comfort hards, it is easy to initiate a drift, manage a drift, and finish a drift. When in a tandem (competition or for fun), it really helps to have that much flexibility in your tires.

Drifting to me is all smiles and havin' fun.

These guys aren't going very fast, but I'm sure as hell it's quite an experience:


If you haven't tried a drift train yet, the necessity for car control is, let's say, tripled; smoke is in your face, you don't want to go too slow or too fast, and you wanna look good with the others.


From what I've read, you're style of drifting is more for one-on-ones, rather than within a lobby of varying drift skill. I have nothing against that but keep an open mind, and stay sideways.

i just got back from ASB... no one drift slow... nor did i.


in my GT5 rooms, we do tandem trains... everyone is on sport tires... our trains are MORE interesting than the comfort hard ones, BECAUSe we add speed to the mix. come in a room i host anyday, you will see what i mean.

 

[Goracle]

i guess this rant has given you the wrong impressions. i'm not worked up over it by any means. BUT, it gets slightly annoying that i get in 5 unrestricted rooms in a row and people say "Comfort Hards are the Standard tire on GTplanet.net, so you dont know what you're talking about" OBVIOUSLY, theres some sort of breakdown on here that has people brainwashed as to their predjudice towards proper setups and tire useage.

now, i do understand this is online game play, and people do stuff just to be assholes, and or annoying, when they tune their cars.... loud obnoxious colored paints, and REDICULOUS amounts of camber..... but damn, when you come out and blatantly tell me that you will dominate and beat me into submission with your setup.... when i tell you to put your money where your mouth is and you get pounded, you kick me out??? hahaha, so annoying.

I guess that's just prejudice; in the early days of GT5, people with higher grip tires would normally just ram everyone on track so hosts and other players would demand comfort hards to allow a much more enjoyable environment.

Hahaha, I share the same opinions with you about the colors and camber.

i just got back from ASB... no one drift slow... nor did i.


in my GT5 rooms, we do tandem trains... everyone is on sport tires... our trains are MORE interesting than the comfort soft ones, BECAUSe we add speed to the mix. come in a room i host anyday, you will see what i mean.

How was ASB? I've been meaning to go to one some day.

I'm down to join; I've got an open mind. Send a friend request to SouthpawSlider

 

[DGambino1]

Well said Goracle... +1 to you bud...

I liked that vid too... I'm all about Tandem drifting... For me, drifting is all about tandems...

 

[SPANK]

i guess this rant has given you the wrong impressions. i'm not worked up over it by any means. BUT, it gets slightly annoying that i get in 5 unrestricted rooms in a row and people say "Comfort Hards are the Standard tire on GTplanet.net, so you dont know what you're talking about" OBVIOUSLY, theres some sort of breakdown on here that has people brainwashed as to their predjudice towards proper setups and tire useage.

now, i do understand this is online game play, and people do stuff just to be assholes, and or annoying, when they tune their cars.... loud obnoxious colored paints, and REDICULOUS amounts of camber..... but damn, when you come out and blatantly tell me that you will dominate and beat me into submission with your setup.... when i tell you to put your money where your mouth is and you get pounded, you kick me out??? hahaha, so annoying.

1. You're getting close to being banned with these words.
2. I dont know who your drifting with but they arent people from GTPlanet. Everyone i drift with on here are mroe then curdious to your needs, hella nice to everyone (unless you annoying or dont care and run threw them).
3. Comfort hards are the most tire used because it is the easiest tire on GT5 to tandem with.

And if you hate "drifting" so much then why are you doing it? I think you need to work your way over to Forza maybe that arcade style of video game will best fit your needs. 👍

 

[SteezMachine]

My d!ck is hard.
Women love hard.
I drive hard.

 

[SteezMachine]

Oh and my tires are hard.

 

[Goracle]

My d!ck is hard.
Women love hard.
I drive hard.

Oh and my tires are hard.

 

[nk4e]

********.
Women love hard.
I drive hard.

Oh and my tires are hard.

Please just use this emotioncon next time 🤬 and try not to double post. If you wanted to add something to this then edit your post.

 

[Warren4649]

Hell, even r/c cars now have treaded rubber tires to drift now.

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No, the tires you are talking about are not made from rubber and handles exaclty like usual drift tires. The treads are just here for aesthetics purposes.
By the way they aren't even that much used, the most used tires in RC drifting still remain the non treaded ones (with different levels of grip according to the brand/type).

Now back to your rant.
The thing is, none of the tires in GT5 are realistic.
CH are way too slippery that it become stupid.
SS tires are just way too weird in the way they handle, they regain grip way too fast and that is not pleasing too.

I don't know what accessory you use for drifting in GT5 (wheel or DS3).
Personally I use a G27 and when GT 1st came out I used sports tires. At the time my only drift car was a ~500hp R32 GTS-T. 500hp is more than enough to spin such tires but still I was struggling to keep the car in a nice and smooth drift, I had to do way too much corrections and couldn't even slide the car if I wasn't full throttle.

I then switched to CH tires when people started to realize they were "better" tires for drifting (notice how I've put better between " "). Things were smoother than with Sports and much more realistic (in a way). The reason why people use CH imo is because they're not 0/1 tires like Sports are.

To me the only rant there should be about tires is why Polyphony can't even make proper tires with proper grip values. To me both Sports and comfort tires feels wrong in their own way. Comfort have 0 grip and Sports regain their grip way too fast/suddenly.

By the way I've been drifting in LFS since years (circa 2003) and the way their tires are made is better (but still not perfect especially when they become hot).
The only problem with GT is that Kaz is an ego queen and he will just do whatever HE want to do and never look at what other peoples do or want (even Enthusia had a better tire model...)

 

[SPANK]

why two posts?

 

[layvon]

also seems you r being quite predjudice to people who use CH's, i get someone talked crap to you who was drifting CH's and you say you beat him, fine but people on sports tires like others said, they would get to much grip and start rear ending other people trying to drift, CH's r the easier to drift and tandem with, and you can drift very fast with them on with the right car setup. ive seen some super fast Rx7's NSX's Ford GT's on CH's. and i really could see you solving this whole thing, if you just simply open your own lobby and set it to what you want, and not joining other peoples lobbys and hoping they drift what and how you want.

 

[Goracle]

why two posts?

One was moved and I guess the OP found the drifting forum and posted

 

[sytfu]

lol.

1. i dont care if you ban me or not... oh lawdy lawd lawd, puleaze dont do'z it to me suhh'. only reason i even made the SN is cause my friend begged me to post this up because i am actually a driver in real life and you wouldnt be able to argue my credentials.

2. i dont know where you got "i hate drifting" from what i post, lol. i hate YOUR form of drifting on this video game.... and i dont know these people from Atom Ant, but if THEY tell me that THEY got this info from GTplanet, and i come on here and SEE that this is actually stat-quo.... were they wrong? lolz.

3. YOU need to find your way to forza, since YOU like comfort hard, "arcade style drifting" ASSHOLE. easiest tire to drift with, LOL, for who? the 11 year olds that play with AWD cars??? not someone competent enough to know how to handle it... speak for yourself.

 

[Warren4649]

Hey I get kicked out of rooms too... It happens... I always get kicked out of the french lobbbies (LOL)!!!

You make valid points. Unfortunately not everyone has common sense online. Do what you like to do and just move lobbies... Easy as that... No point getting worked up over it...

I'm french, I never go on french lobbies and so you should.
Everytime I risk myself going there hopping it'll be nice, I end up disappointed seeing only R8 on sport softs (if not racing softs).

 

[layvon]

now your just rude about things, people where quite nice to your mean post. now your saying you dont like how some people drift, sorry we all dont just do what you like, and im quite glad many people on GTP are not like you, if you dont like what people on here do drive, drift, race. simply leave, no one whats someone like you being rude on here.

 

[SteezMachine]

Please just use this emotioncon next time 🤬 and try not to double post. If you wanted to add something to this then edit your post.

Oh, I'm sorry.

My (EMOTICON) is so hard.
If you catch my drift.

 

[oatmeal so good]

lol.

1. i dont care if you ban me or not... oh lawdy lawd lawd, puleaze dont do'z it to me suhh'. only reason i even made the SN is cause my friend begged me to post this up because i am actually a driver in real life and you wouldnt be able to argue my credentials.

2. i dont know where you got "i hate drifting" from what i post, lol. i hate YOUR form of drifting on this video game.... and i dont know these people from Atom Ant, but if THEY tell me that THEY got this info from GTplanet, and i come on here and SEE that this is actually stat-quo.... were they wrong? lolz.

3. YOU need to find your way to forza, since YOU like comfort hard, "arcade style drifting" ASSHOLE. easiest tire to drift with, LOL, for who? the 11 year olds that play with AWD cars??? not someone competent enough to know how to handle it... speak for yourself.

Ohhh we are all so jealous of your provisional instruction permit

 

[Jesus]

All this time I figured drifting was an extreme action sport, but more and more I am being led to believe that its actually a slow, methodical, low risk motorsport..... (sarcasim).

Ok. Drifting (depending on the sanctioned body judging it) is judged on: line, angle, speed, and style for a add on. So can someone please explain to me how the common tire used is a freaking comfort hard? Since when did drifting on a round piece of plastic become popular? Hell, even r/c cars now have treaded rubber tires to drift now.

Its so annoying to hear "hey man, you're going too fast... you should change your tires". Or "it takes more skill to drift on comfort hards" oh, or my favorite... "my friend drive a 1million hp douche bag car and he says this feels exactly like it". Seriously? Hahah, what are you guys thinking? I wont devulge my credilentials, but trust ke when I say... drifting in its progessional, and grassroots form is based on GRIP. Countless hours go in to suspension geometry and setup... trying to obtain the best tires you can afford, and then figuring out how to put the power down properly.

Why are people brainwashed with comfort hard tires are the way to go?

I had a guy tell me in a room yesterday..."only thing you will do better than me is have speed I will have more angle, style and line than you will on your sport tires." He then proceeded to put on a terrible display of what could only be bettered by watching a baby giraffe be clobbed repeatedly in the head. It was so goofy looking I proceeded to dislike the guy. I entered the track on sport tires and tore him apart. My line, dead on, angle, far more.... and we wont even begin to bring speed into play.

Now my question is.... why is this going on? Are people trying to "simulate" arcade style driving on a "simulator"? Is this done to cover up the lack of car control, and so that the playing field can be leveled? Or am I just getting on during the wrong portions of the day?

Where are the real drivers that appreciate simulation to something similar to the feel of the real world counterparts?

Oh, and I will save this for later.... but what the hell is up with 14° negative camber on the rear of the car?


now in no way shape form of fashion do i feel like i am obligated to stay in these rooms... because obviously i have the free will to leave, which i do... but... these guys tend to come into my rooms and complain until i kick them out. yesterday i had a team tryout where as the stipulations for member hopefuls were to drive on sport tires of their choice... all of the sudden, epiphany... you could actually hear guys say, "ahh" as they started to figure out the level of grip, and abilities they were able to obtain with better tires on.

later i gave them setup suggestions that further allowed them to pull off fantastic drift realizm.

now i will end rant, and NO i dont feel like fixing all the grammatical errors, or punctuation, but i just wanted to air this out.


this is stupid.



end rant.

Because its a driving simulator, hence me not being in D1GP, I would be at my local drift day using the 🤬 tyres I brought off ebay for a fiver for 20 or the on site £2 a tyre facilities. Long story short - if you think all drifters on here should be using sports tyres to simulate real life then your wrong because there's only 1 person that I actually know on here who is possibly at a semi/super pro level using good tyres provided by sponsors.

 

[Warren4649]

Anyway or the other and as I said on your twin thread, both sport and comfort tires are crap in GT when it comes to drifting.
By the way people always used the less grippy tires to drift in GT (at least since GT3 with the so called "simulation" tires).
Some people just should breath a little more and understand that GT is a game and not real life, especially when it comes to tires. Maybe they'll get how to program proper tire models in GT10...

 

[sytfu]

No, the tires you are talking about are not made from rubber and handles exaclty like usual drift tires. The treads are just here for aesthetics purposes.
By the way they aren't even that much used, the most used tires in RC drifting still remain the non treaded ones (with different levels of grip according to the brand/type).

Now back to your rant.
The thing is, none of the tires in GT5 are realistic.
CH are way too slippery that it become stupid.
SS tires are just way too weird in the way they handle, they regain grip way too fast and that is not pleasing too.

I don't know what accessory you use for drifting in GT5 (wheel or DS3).
Personally I use a G27 and when GT 1st came out I used sports tires. At the time my only drift car was a ~500hp R32 GTS-T. 500hp is more than enough to spin such tires but still I was struggling to keep the car in a nice and smooth drift, I had to do way too much corrections and couldn't even slide the car if I wasn't full throttle.

I then switched to CH tires when people started to realize they were "better" tires for drifting (notice how I've put better between " "). Things were smoother than with Sports and much more realistic (in a way). The reason why people use CH imo is because they're not 0/1 tires like Sports are.

To me the only rant there should be about tires is why Polyphony can't even make proper tires with proper grip values. To me both Sports and comfort tires feels wrong in their own way. Comfort have 0 grip and Sports regain their grip way too fast/suddenly.

By the way I've been drifting in LFS since years (circa 2003) and the way their tires are made is better (but still not perfect especially when they become hot).
The only problem with GT is that Kaz is an ego queen and he will just do whatever HE want to do and never look at what other peoples do or want (even Enthusia had a better tire model...)

thank you for going in dept with you explination... this is a reasonable excuse, but still doesnt explain why people kick or are actually predjudice towards sport tires, EVEN if i show driving etiquette, and do not impose on their driving and only pass on safe areas on straights. but whatever... people are scared of change. and seeing as tho i will be banned from the other thread, i really dont care, lol.

if you would like to see what i am refering to... you can message my screen name on ps3.

other than that...


Duces!

 

[zedfonsie]

I went drifting once and I used old tires that are worn out, they are basically comfort hards. Im not going to waste my actual tires or spend 1,000 dollars on a set

 

[layvon]

thank you for going in dept with you explination... this is a reasonable excuse, but still doesnt explain why people kick or are actually predjudice towards sport tires, EVEN if i show driving etiquette, and do not impose on their driving and only pass on safe areas on straights. but whatever... people are scared of change. and seeing as tho i will be banned from the other thread, i really dont care, lol.

if you would like to see what i am refering to... you can message my screen name on ps3.

other than that...


Duces!

how are people scared of change? i see loads of people drifting sport tires, the whole thing of what everyone has been saying is CH's are EASIER to tandem with. ive gone into many lobbys with people drifting on SH's and for the most part, they suck. there flying everywhere smashing into people, and again if you dont like how people drift and what they drift, get over it. make your own lobby and drift how you want, not bicker about people kicking you out of THEY'RE lobbys cause of your tires.