I ordered drugs on the internet, will they arrive...?

[shmogt]

Ok before people start going crazy and calling the mods to shut this down let me explain what happened. So I used to use this product called Jack3d before I went to the gym to give me that extra drive to move hundreds of pounds. All was good and I loved it until something horrible happened. One of the main ingredients in it got banned in Canada (where I live) and it was taken off the shelves.

All the other products that contain that certain ingredient changed their formula and are still selling, but they are crap since it's mainly pixie dust now. I want the real stuff that always gives results. I have been thinking about ordering it online for a while now, but was nervous since it is I assume a controlled substance. I do not know what happens if you order a illegal drug from another country and try to get it shipped to your house, but I imagine it is frowned upon lol.

So today I said screw it I am going to look into this a lot more. I do a bit more research and the site I used to get it from still ships to Canada and usually when something gets banned they say we won't ship there. No notice tho so I am thinking that's a good sign. The product is also the second or third best selling product of all time on the site so this is something they would definitely know of being banned in Canada and not just they forgot to add the notice.

Than I see the option of buying 1 or buying 3 at once. 1 is obviously cheaper and if it's taken away at the border I am only out the $30 that it cost. However the next time I have to order it I will have to be worried again if it will ship or not. If I get 3 at once yes it cost more, but I save a bit of money since I am buying more in bulk and I don't have to worry about getting more for a long while. Orders over $75 get a free gift too. So my big dilemma is do I get 1 and risk only $30 if it gets seized and have to worry about this again once I am out of it or do I get 3 and risk $85, but don't have to worry about this problem for a long time and get a free gift plus cheaper in the long run?

Well I calculated it all out and I went with the 3 at once. I am so nervous because $85 to just lose if it gets seized is a big deal to me. The final total with tax and everything is $95 too. I save so much money overall tho and not having to worry about this in the near future I think should be worth it. I hope so much it arrives with no problems. We will see in the next 4-8 days when it is supposed to arrive, I will keep you informed as to what happens.

Does anyone have experience with ordering sketchy things or having packages open by customs?

 

[Schwartz]

Uhhh... There is probably a pretty good reason it got banned. I assume you're a health nut, so you should probably look up why it got banned before you try to get some.

 

[terminator363]

I thought you went and bought strange chemical drugs from South America online. I will leave now..

 

[shmogt]

Uhhh... There is probably a pretty good reason it got banned. I assume you're a health nut, so you should probably look up why it got banned before you try to get some.

That is what you would think but in this case I couldn't find anything. Usually when stuff gets banned its because people were dying from it. In this case I only know of two deaths and both were because the people were insane and mixing it with hardcore drugs. People are saying it was banned because it is really cheap and works which is not good for the pharmisudical companies and they had it banned.

I thought you went and bought strange chemical drugs from South America online. I will leave now..

Lol no its legal I think every where expect Canada as of now.

 

[niky]

From what I gather, sifting through reams of bitter rants and conspiracy theories (really? the government bans it to keep people fat and docile? And here I was wondering why it was illegal to buy Orlistat (Xenical) and Caffeine products... now I know! )... the ban is influenced by the addition of Jack3D's main ingredient on the list of substances banned by the World Anti-Doping Agency. Other supplement makers have changed formulation to reflect this ban, and Jack3D hasn't. That's the long and short of it.

A few points. It's illegal where you are.

The question is not whether it's dangerous.

The question is not whether it's internationally banned.

The question is whether or not you've ordered for import a product that is banned in your country.

Which is yes.

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The qualification of whether this is an AUP violation depends on one of the following:

If the product is banned for sale, then you've just asked the company to commit a crime.

If the product is banned for use, then you've just admitted to planning to commit a crime.

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A cursory web-search shows that the former rather than the latter is true. So at least you're not committing a drug offense. But that still leaves this thread treading on dangerous waters, because you are asking a question about (potentially) black market trading.

 

[shmogt]

Lol ya I know this is not illegal yet somewhat sketchy. I don't really care since I ordered it already but I was more wondering what others have found on ordering things. I know one guy who has ordered over 100 packages and said 2 have been checked by customs. So I figure there is about a 2% chance they will check it.

Also the ingredient was already banned in sports and Olympics but so is high doses of caffeine since it also improves performance. For whatever reason it's banned for everyone now.

 

[niky]

So far, there seem to be no legal ramifications for users who do not compete in professional sporting events, but really, it's not something you can't live without.

I mean, not like nicotine...

 

[shmogt]

So far, there seem to be no legal ramifications for users who do not compete in professional sporting events, but really, it's not something you can't live without.

I mean, not like nicotine...

For me there is like no point of working out if I don't have it. My gym everyone is on steroids and sometimes it is tough to get the confidence to grab little tiny weights compared to he monster weights these guys are doing. It just kills my whole workout. On jack3d I am god. There is no weight too heavy that I can not lift. Banning it will really screw me. I cycled off of it so give my body a rest and than it got banned. I have been using just pure caffeine for a bit, but they are kin of hit or miss. Sometimes I get the confidence feeling and sometimes it just wakes me up a bit than dies off after 20min.

Before this 1 3 dimethylamylamine got banned there was ephedrine which was the ultimate best, but people were actually dying so I get why it got banned. This one is still a mystery. It doesn't even say on government sites I been too.

 

[Omnis]

Some googling reveals that they won their lawsuit against the orgs that banned DMAA.

Canada might have banned it because it sounds like DMMA which is a psychotropic.

My advice to you is to drop jacked and blow through more oreos, ding dongs, and red meat. A good bloat beats a good jacked any day of the week.

 

[hawkeye122]

Currently having an abundance of testosterone may change my view a bit, but..

Being a High School athlete, I am not permitted to take any sort of formula for weight/muscle gain except for Creatine. Even with that, people who don't use it the way they are supposed to end up with Kidney problems. Personally, when I go to do Bench Press, I feel like a total Tw**. But I live through it, and move over to Dead Lift and Leg Press, where I own everyone on the football team. But, because I am persistent, and eat a relatively High Calorie, High Protein diet (Offensive Lineman) I find that my Bench max continues to rise at a decent rate. I really don't see the need for additives. Even if it was legal, I still wouldn't use any substance for artificial muscle growth.

If you're really worried about looking weak, put your money into Home Gym equipment until you're as strong as all of the other guys.

 

[shmogt]

Some googling reveals that they won their lawsuit against the orgs that banned DMAA.

Canada might have banned it because it sounds like DMMA which is a psychotropic.

My advice to you is to drop jacked and blow through more oreos, ding dongs, and red meat. A good bloat beats a good jacked any day of the week.

ahhah worst advice.

Ya DMAA in the US military is banned as well. On the site I order from there is a warning saying they can't ship to any military places or any P.O. boxes anymore because of it. The law with this has a lot of loop holes because the ingredients have already been banned for years now, but the loop hole was as long as you list the root ingredient being where it comes from than you could add it. So yes these illegal ingredients were in it, but they list geranium which is legal to do. It is out of my hands as to what happens to the ban etc in the future, but I am just hoping my package arrives. I know people order steroids and other real drugs off the internet all the time and it goes through customs no problem since it's literally impossible to check every package. It is just that very small chance that my package goes to a random spot check and they see they can't send it.

Currently having an abundance of testosterone may change my view a bit, but..

Being a High School athlete, I am not permitted to take any sort of formula for weight/muscle gain except for Creatine. Even with that, people who don't use it the way they are supposed to end up with Kidney problems. Personally, when I go to do Bench Press, I feel like a total Tw**. But I live through it, and move over to Dead Lift and Leg Press, where I own everyone on the football team. But, because I am persistent, and eat a relatively High Calorie, High Protein diet (Offensive Lineman) I find that my Bench max continues to rise at a decent rate. I really don't see the need for additives. Even if it was legal, I still wouldn't use any substance for artificial muscle growth.

If you're really worried about looking weak, put your money into Home Gym equipment until you're as strong as all of the other guys.

Yes in a lot of sport leagues it is banned because it gives you a unfair advantage. I am not weak per-say, but I will never be as strong as people who are on actual steroids. These guys are actual competition bodybuilders weighing 280lbs which is impossible to achieve naturally. You sound like me tho I am amazing at leg training, but suck at upper body. My upper body looks bigger than my lower body so it doesn't really matter to me. Plus I have shoulder issues, but that's another topic. This product doesn't even effect muscle growth directly it is just a stimulant to help you focus and stimulate your nervous system to be able to lift heavier weights. More focus and the ability to move more weight equals more muscle tho. Just out of curiosity how many calories do you eat a day?

 

[hawkeye122]

Yes in a lot of sport leagues it is banned because it gives you a unfair advantage. I am not weak per-say, but I will never be as strong as people who are on actual steroids. These guys are actual competition bodybuilders weighing 280lbs which is impossible to achieve naturally. You sound like me tho I am amazing at leg training, but suck at upper body. My upper body looks bigger than my lower body so it doesn't really matter to me. Plus I have shoulder issues, but that's another topic. This product doesn't even effect muscle growth directly it is just a stimulant to help you focus and stimulate your nervous system to be able to lift heavier weights. More focus and the ability to move more weight equals more muscle tho. Just out of curiosity how many calories do you eat a day?

In season, I do somewhere between 3500 and 4500 per day. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But I work out in the morning for an hour and a half, after school I have 3 Hours of practice, do sprints at the end, hit the pool to cool off for 10 minutes, and then go weight lift for another 45 minutes. It's a pretty rough day sometimes.
Currently, I've cut back to whats somewhat normal because I'm not in the pre-season yet. But I still do a ton of jogging, and workout in the morning.

And by lineman, I don't mean I'm massively overweight. I'm about 230 lbs right now, at 6'4". Ill probably be up around 250-260 when this upcoming season ends.

The key, I've found, is some sort of Cliff Builders bar after each workout. With a lot of water.

 

[niky]

Since the effect you need is mostly motivational, I'd go out and try to find the next best legal motivational booster. Chocolate. Caffeine. Caffeine and Chocolate and Red Bull and maybe Brand's Essence of Chicken?

Personally, I've never been deep into bodybuilding, though I've done a tiny bit. But when I was a runner, I was always looking for ways to push myself beyond. Pushed myself straight into the hospital, actually... got down to a dangerously low body fat content working out four hours a day and sleeping too little... then contracted hepatitis due to the lack of immunity... ...since then, I've had the obsessive compulsive need to go that little bit further a bit dulled, for obvious reasons.

 

[shmogt]

In season, I do somewhere between 3500 and 4500 per day. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But I work out in the morning for an hour and a half, after school I have 3 Hours of practice, do sprints at the end, hit the pool to cool off for 10 minutes, and then go weight lift for another 45 minutes. It's a pretty rough day sometimes.
Currently, I've cut back to whats somewhat normal because I'm not in the pre-season yet. But I still do a ton of jogging, and workout in the morning.

And by lineman, I don't mean I'm massively overweight. I'm about 230 lbs right now, at 6'4". Ill probably be up around 250-260 when this upcoming season ends.

The key, I've found, is some sort of Cliff Builders bar after each workout. With a lot of water.

That's the thing I don't get with how humans process food. I eat from 2800-3500 calories a day and am only 160lbs. Plus I workout 3 times a week for 1hr. That's literally all my activity the rest is sitting. However when I used to workout more or if I ever tried to do a crazy routine like you I would need an insane amount of calories. I wouldn't even be able to have enough time in the day to cook and consume it all. I jumped back on creatine today to try and add some quick strength gains tho. Hopefully I don't need that much more water as I am already drinking at least a gallon normally lol.

Since the effect you need is mostly motivational, I'd go out and try to find the next best legal motivational booster. Chocolate. Caffeine. Caffeine and Chocolate and Red Bull and maybe Brand's Essence of Chicken?

Personally, I've never been deep into bodybuilding, though I've done a tiny bit. But when I was a runner, I was always looking for ways to push myself beyond. Pushed myself straight into the hospital, actually... got down to a dangerously low body fat content working out four hours a day and sleeping too little... then contracted hepatitis due to the lack of immunity... ...since then, I've had the obsessive compulsive need to go that little bit further a bit dulled, for obvious reasons.

Caffeine is in jack3d as well. There is a few different things to make a blend of instant energy. I have found I can take a max of 200g at a time or my heart beats weird and I don't feel good.

You sound like you should of been eating more like the guy above me does. Four hours of running a day is like 3500 calories burned plus you have to count in after burn and regular living so you prob needed like 6000. I totally get you in that want to push to the max tho. I was talking to a trainer and he said his beginners always don't push that hard as they are scared of being crushed by the weights. They always back off even know they can clearly do a bit more. I on the other hand was the exact opposite. I would push too hard and be too ballsy when it came to adding weight. I might be doing a set and do maybe 8 reps and find it easy. On the next set instead of being logical and adding maybe 5lbs to the bar I would add a 10lb to each side and do like three reps with dangerous form. It caught up to me too as I got sick a lot and injuries every muscle you can think of. I am virtually fine now luckily, but sorry to hear you got hepatitis. Did you catch it from somewhere or was it just because your body was so weak it somehow got it randomly?

 

[hawkeye122]

I agree with niky. Probably some Red Bull, and finding some mates to lift with would be quite beneficial. Groups of 3 are the ideal size. One working, one spotting, one chilling. The 2 not lifting should be trying to get you to push one harder than you think you can do.

Why do you weight lift?

 

[Gejabo]

On Dutch television they did an experiment, they orderd some stuff that was illegal (even in the Netherlands ) and it did arrive in a discreet brown envelope a few days later.

 

[Omnis]

ahhah worst advice.

No way, it's what the pros do:

http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/iron-brothers/efs-classic-im-amazed-at-what-people-dont-know/

 

[niky]

Did you catch it from somewhere or was it just because your body was so weak it somehow got it randomly?

I was probably only doing 2000 calories a day, bolstered by two eggs and two extra egg whites every morning, on a student allowance, and I made up the rest in about two liters of Coca-Cola (both for the extra calories and Caffeine), it obviously wasn't enough.

I got it from drinking dirty water, but my system was so weak that it hit me really hard. I actually lost ten extra pounds, despite being underweight, already.

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I think working in groups is a great way to get that motivation going.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

ahhah worst advice.

If the "worst advice" is someone telling you not to purchase a product that was removed from shelves because it contains a psychotropic with unknown side effects, I'd hate to see what the "best advice" to you would be.

It was banned for a reason. That should be enough to discourage you from using it, even if it is the only product that gives you the results you want. If you're stupid enough to keep using it, even though know know it is a banned substance, well - and it has to be said - that just makes you stupid.

 

[Omnis]

No, it doesn't. DMAA is the substance in question. DMMA is the psychotropic.

There are two different bans for different reasons. Sporting feds have banned it as a PED, and then there are other health administrations (I guess the Canadians' version of the FDA?) that have banned its sale until it can be proven safe.

USPlabs won its lawsuit against the latter if I'm not mistaken. Still, you shouldn't need to be on Jack3d powder to lift weights. Want to be a weightlifter? Eat a lot of food and lift heavy-ass weight. A bodybuilder? Eat a lot on a clean diet and fully contract each muscle group under heavy-ass weight.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

you shouldn't need to be on Jack3d powder to lift weights

Some people are too lazy to actually work for it, though, and just want the maximum results with a minimum effort.

 

[Submerged]

Personally, if someone is at the gym and feels intimidated by all those hardcore, steriod fuelled bodybuilders with massive bulging muscles while the person is trying to do their own weight training regime, they might as well just go to a different gym. There is no point going to a gym that makes you feel uncomfortable and on edge. Get some mates to form your own little training group. That way, it'll feel better for you and you'll get better gains and feel far more confident.

Additionally, to become a bodybuilder is a lifestyle choice, not something that you just do because you want to achieve the look for as little effort as possible.

With regards to calories intake, yes you do have to take massive amount of calories if you train at quite an intense level. I used to do swimming for 2 hours, 9 times a week plus go to the gym three times a week as well and would consume a huge amount of food, quite often having two breakfasts, a big lunch and a big dinner, probably about 4,000 or more calories. And still was stick thin. Pretty amazing.

 

[shmogt]

I agree with niky. Probably some Red Bull, and finding some mates to lift with would be quite beneficial. Groups of 3 are the ideal size. One working, one spotting, one chilling. The 2 not lifting should be trying to get you to push one harder than you think you can do.

Why do you weight lift?

For me I take pure caffeine and it isn't the same. I don't need to be awake I need the focus and intense feeling. If you want to know what jack3d feels like when on it go down to your local drug dealer and buy some crack. You can't sit still and must move some weight. One of my friends took it and did his whole weight lifting routine than ran 5miles home because of all the energy.

The friends idea is impossible for me. Know ones schedule matches up. I used to do that when I was younger but it just doesn't work out now unfortunately.

Also I weight lift for fun. I'm more bodybuilding which is get as big as possible while staying as lean as possible.

On Dutch television they did an experiment, they orderd some stuff that was illegal (even in the Netherlands ) and it did arrive in a discreet brown envelope a few days later.

Lol this is good to hear

No way, it's what the pros do:

http://articles.elitefts.com/articles/iron-brothers/efs-classic-im-amazed-at-what-people-dont-know/

Lol this is for gaining crazy weight. I am not a competition power lifter so it's not that serious.

I was probably only doing 2000 calories a day, bolstered by two eggs and two extra egg whites every morning, on a student allowance, and I made up the rest in about two liters of Coca-Cola (both for the extra calories and Caffeine), it obviously wasn't enough.

I got it from drinking dirty water, but my system was so weak that it hit me really hard. I actually lost ten extra pounds, despite being underweight, already.

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I think working in groups is a great way to get that motivation going.

Damn that sucks sorry to hear that. I don't know if you can ever get rid of it but hopefully it doesn't cause you too many problems.

If the "worst advice" is someone telling you not to purchase a product that was removed from shelves because it contains a psychotropic with unknown side effects, I'd hate to see what the "best advice" to you would be.

It was banned for a reason. That should be enough to discourage you from using it, even if it is the only product that gives you the results you want. If you're stupid enough to keep using it, even though know know it is a banned substance, well - and it has to be said - that just makes you stupid.

I was referring to when he said eat so many garbage foods before the gym as the bad advice. Obviously telling me not to do something that was banned is decent advice lol. Things get banned all the time tho for the dumbest reasons so I feel it's up to you to decide. I used this as well as millions of other people did and had no problems only great results. So I am comfortable ingesting more of it.

No, it doesn't. DMAA is the substance in question. DMMA is the psychotropic.

There are two different bans for different reasons. Sporting feds have banned it as a PED, and then there are other health administrations (I guess the Canadians' version of the FDA?) that have banned its sale until it can be proven safe.

USPlabs won its lawsuit against the latter if I'm not mistaken. Still, you shouldn't need to be on Jack3d powder to lift weights. Want to be a weightlifter? Eat a lot of food and lift heavy-ass weight. A bodybuilder? Eat a lot on a clean diet and fully contract each muscle group under heavy-ass weight.

So if USPlabs won the lawsuit that would not make it banned correct? Also I haven't taken it in a long time becuase I was somewhat hurt. Now that I am coming out of that it's time to get swol again. I'm going back to the old days and using all the tricks that worked for me before. Jack3d just happens to be one of them.

Some people are too lazy to actually work for it, though, and just want the maximum results with a minimum effort.

Lol everyone wants quick gains with minimum effort. Why wouldn't you? I know it takes time I have been in it for 3yrs so far and pretty much that last year was just fixing the small problem areas and not overall growth. Now I'm back to normal and have the knowledge of what works for me and what I should avoid to stay injury free.

Personally, if someone is at the gym and feels intimidated by all those hardcore, steriod fuelled bodybuilders with massive bulging muscles while the person is trying to do their own weight training regime, they might as well just go to a different gym. There is no point going to a gym that makes you feel uncomfortable and on edge. Get some mates to form your own little training group. That way, it'll feel better for you and you'll get better gains and feel far more confident.

Additionally, to become a bodybuilder is a lifestyle choice, not something that you just do because you want to achieve the look for as little effort as possible.

With regards to calories intake, yes you do have to take massive amount of calories if you train at quite an intense level. I used to do swimming for 2 hours, 9 times a week plus go to the gym three times a week as well and would consume a huge amount of food, quite often having two breakfasts, a big lunch and a big dinner, probably about 4,000 or more calories. And still was stick thin. Pretty amazing.

I am going to feel slightly uncomfortable no matter where I go. That's just me. It's not really an intimidation thing I just can't get focused into moving the weight. I don't like it since I feel it's dangerous if you are not 100% mentally ready to move some serious weight. It's all about the mind and if it is ready your body will follow. Like I said above I have been doing it for 3 yrs so it's not that long to be a pro however long enough to show true commitment. Every single day I have to eat 6 big meals a day and make sure I always have enough water etc. Nutrition is the hard part.

Yes swimming burns insane amounts of calories. I heard micheal phelps eats 12,000 a day to keep up with his current routine.

 

[Submerged]

So, basically you just want something that helps you to mentally shift the weight itself, rather than anything else?

Take Ritalin. That'll focus your mind big time.

 

[TankAss95]

For me there is like no point of working out if I don't have it. My gym everyone is on steroids and sometimes it is tough to get the confidence to grab little tiny weights compared to he monster weights these guys are doing. It just kills my whole workout. On jack3d I am god. There is no weight too heavy that I can not lift. Banning it will really screw me. I cycled off of it so give my body a rest and than it got banned. I have been using just pure caffeine for a bit, but they are kin of hit or miss. Sometimes I get the confidence feeling and sometimes it just wakes me up a bit than dies off after 20min.

Before this 1 3 dimethylamylamine got banned there was ephedrine which was the ultimate best, but people were actually dying so I get why it got banned. This one is still a mystery. It doesn't even say on government sites I been too.

Well I'm a casual kind of gym goer, I don't take it serious but I have a routine.
So I feel kinda like an ass telling you what to do, because your obviously much more experienced than me (lol), but most of the serious litters at my gym don't take no supplements at all. Eat healthy (not just proteins, a good mix of vitamins too) and you don't really need to worry about supplements.
Supplements are an addition to your diet to help you out a bit. When I stopped my weight gain stuff my appetite actually grew and I put on weight even faster (lol).

 

[shmogt]

So, basically you just want something that helps you to mentally shift the weight itself, rather than anything else?

Take Ritalin. That'll focus your mind big time.

lol that is a real drug. I'm trying to keep it as close to natural as I can. Jack3d gives me the focus and drive I need for that 1hr that I am at the gym. That's all I need.

Well I'm a casual kind of gym goer, I don't take it serious but I have a routine.
So I feel kinda like an ass telling you what to do, because your obviously much more experienced than me (lol), but most of the serious litters at my gym don't take no supplements at all. Eat healthy (not just proteins, a good mix of vitamins too) and you don't really need to worry about supplements.
Supplements are an addition to your diet to help you out a bit. When I stopped my weight gain stuff my appetite actually grew and I put on weight even faster (lol).

Yes I am 100% for no or low amounts of supplements. Most of them out there do not work at all anyway. I have tried a vast majority of them just for fun to see what works and I have my list narrowed down to the brand even. I already eat perfect where I fail is at the gym. I either push too hard or not enough. I think I got it where I am able to build muscle without any worry of over training, but I mine as well maximize the results with the supplements that do work for me. I just take whey protein after the gym because I am too tired to make a full meal the second I get home, creatine to give me some instant strength gains, and a pre workout which will be jack3d to focus me and jump start my central nervous system to move heavy weight.

Just a little tip about weight gain sups is you have to eat normally and take them additionally. They will fill you up a lot more than food and you may not be hungry for the next meal, but you have to force yourself to eat. Personally unless you are over 200lbs and relatively lean I don't see the need for them since it's easy to eat enough normal food.

 

[Omnis]

DMAA is as much a real drug as ritalin. Chemicals are chemicals. Natural vs. synthetic doesn't matter if the compound is the same.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

For me I take pure caffeine and it isn't the same. I don't need to be awake I need the focus and intense feeling. If you want to know what jack3d feels like when on it go down to your local drug dealer and buy some crack. You can't sit still and must move some weight. One of my friends took it and did his whole weight lifting routine than ran 5miles home because of all the energy.

That's a good analogy, because you make this sound more like a drug addiction then a pre-workout supplement. Personally I don't use pre-workouts since I can't justify the extra ~$1 per workout just to lift weights and jack my heartrate up when lifting will already do that.

Just a little tip about weight gain sups is you have to eat normally and take them additionally. They will fill you up a lot more than food and you may not be hungry for the next meal, but you have to force yourself to eat. Personally unless you are over 200lbs and relatively lean I don't see the need for them since it's easy to eat enough normal food.

Eating 4500-6000 calories per day isn't easy. Drinking helps. I don't know how Phelps does it. He must poop a ton.

 

[Submerged]

its not that difficult to eat up to 12,000 calories in heavy training as your brain will just want you to eat all the high calories stuff immediately. Plus, he would be eating throughout the day, rather than at set times.

Woah, wait? Creatine does NOT give you instant strength gains. All it does is basically help you to recover at a faster rate after the exercise and allows you to have more explosive power at the start of the exercise. It isn't an additional strength thing, it is more for power and speed. If you look at how the muscles gets their energy through aerobic, alactic and lactic production workout, you will see that creatine just increases the alactic effect before your body then switches to the aerobic or lactic acid production in the muscles.

Creatine does make you feel like you have a lot of power though.

 

[Starfirebird]

I've never tried Jackd3D,but i use a supplement that works great and gets me going after a longs days work.

http://www.nitricoxidesupplementsite.com/no-xplode-2