I really don’t want GT7 to die like this

[ludacofi]

as you all know, recently there was this huge outrage about GT7 being too grindy and the devs intentionally making it even more grindy in order to incentivise the player to buy micro transactions. PD themselves say that this is an issue they want to fix, and i think that i have got a good idea on how to do that:

in sport mode (and ONLY in sport mode) they should introduce a system where 1st place receives a 5-star roulette spin, 2nd place receives a 4-star roulette spin, 3rd place receives a 3-star roulette spin and so on.

BENEFITS:
1. incentive to play “sport” mode, which would keep this mode and thus the entire game alive for longer.
2. encourages the player base to improve their driving skills, i.e. to play more.
3. rewards players who put in the effort.
3. it does all of the above AND most people wouldn’t complain about the game being too grindy anymore.

TLDR: better rewards for being good at the game.

what do you think?

 

[MOPARbarrett5]

as you all know, recently there was this huge outrage about GT7 being too grindy and the devs intentionally making it even more grindy in order to incentivise the player to buy micro transactions. PD themselves say that this is an issue they want to fix, and i think that i have got a good idea on how to do that:

in sport mode (and ONLY in sport mode) they should introduce a system where 1st place receives a 5-star roulette spin, 2nd place receives a 4-star roulette spin, 3rd place receives a 3-star roulette spin and so on.

BENEFITS:
1. incentive to play “sport” mode, which would keep this mode and thus the entire game alive for longer.
2. encourages the player base to improve their driving skills, i.e. to play more.
3. rewards players who put in the effort.
3. it does all of the above AND most people wouldn’t complain about the game being too grindy anymore.

TLDR: better rewards for being good at the game.

what do you think?

I agree with the general idea, but maybe make it based on Driver Rating so people don't tank to get easy wins. For instance third place with an A+ DR should give a better reward than winning with D DR. I don't know what the exact ratio should be.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Not a grea idea, the roulette spins are part of the awful :/

How about simply increase the pay outs with big emphasis on clean racing.
Make the spread from first to last less, 30K/50K last place, 60K/100K first place. (A,B the lower amount, C the higher)
Not leaving the track = x2 payout.
Contact free = x2 payout.
Both stack, run a flawless race, x4 payout.

Now it's worth doing sport mode races and keeping it clean.
Sticking around (not quitting) nets you at least the minimum amount.

These amounts aren't even that high, 75K for 20 minutes is already in the 'campaign'. It simply brings sport mode in line with the regular payouts. Yet instead of 50% crb, up to 4x as a real incentive to race clean.

However to avoid people simply hanging behind or leave their car in the pits, restrict the payout by completed laps. 10K less for getting lapped, stack-able. Sitting in the pit for 5 laps, no reward. And bonus only pays out after finishing, if timed out, no bonus, just the base amount.

 

[soc123_au]

I like your enthusiasm, and it's not a bad suggestion. But all the threads and suggestions in the world mean nothing while Kaz has his head up his arse. He has been in the game a long time, he absolutely knows how to make an economy that would please pretty much everyone. Even one that has some form of mtx. The mtx setup in Sport was fine along with what's in Forza Horizon 5. I'm sure some people hate them too, and thats fine, but imo it's a decent compromise.

 

[HyperSpeeder]

No. You guys should get bigger credits rewards due to the better competition. But roulettes should be for everyone.

 

[JustM1key]

I personally don't play "Sport" mode.

What I would like to see:
-Bring back mileage points.
-Buyable (Cash & Mileage) roulette tickets (1-star cheapest to 6-star most expensive). [Should be capped like GTA Online to avoid "legal" trouble].
-Roulette tickets should have better rewards regardless of star levels
-Make engine swaps and other "rare" parts buyable.
-Car invites lower that specific car's price temporarily (like a coupon).
-Make car's sellable.
-Lower overall car prices.
-Make current races have actually fair payouts (25% slash rather then a current 50% and above slash)
-More races that utilize more of the car catalog and part races (Ex: Engine swap races).
-Used dealership should be tied to Single-player not online, similar to GT4's and GT5's. (When server's die, "old" cars will still be buyable).
-Add Custom Interior gauges (like we had in GT6) and other interior parts (Like NFS Shift 2).
-When you buy a paint color, preview car should be your current car.
-Have difficulty bonuses like the forza series.
-Make the single player actually offline.
-Adjustable HUD (Sort of like GT6).
-Have a weather section before a race (To have the right tires before a race).
-Increase turbo and supercharger sounds.
-Add more exterior parts (Ex: Actual Carbon Hoods like we had in GT6).
-There should be both a collector level and driver level not just collector level (Similar to GT Sport & FM7's).
-When you level up (Regardless of level category), the prizes should be a lot better.
-Obtain more car usage licenses and import GT6 premium/detailed models, so the game can have more cars (Easy work).

 

[kraftwerkd]

I think driving people to play Sport when they just want do enjoy "offline" isn't the most elegant solution. Why have a weighted system at all? Just increase base payouts for races. Done. Problem solved.

Introducing FOMO is never cool, and that's precisely what this system would do for folks who don't want to participate in Sport (I'm sure they're out there). I thought Sport mode was focused more on Driver rating and Sportsmanship anyway? Why start centering it around opportunities for credits?

Again, just increase the variety of races available in offline and offer larger payouts overall. Everyone benefits, whether you grind GT mode or Sport mode.

I think a good chunk of the GT7 buyers are those who just want to play on their own, and don't necessarily care about Sport mode. Their loss then, I guess, right?

 

[Cherryturbo]

GT7 may not die, but I think that Sport mode may well do.

Sport mode in GT7 is a shadow of what GT Sport offers.

View individual lap times…..no
Report inappropriate behaviour…….no
Discover next weeks races in advance to allow practice….no
Buy and sell race cars…….no
Create a lobby with the ability to save settings……no
View your detailed DR/SR rating……no

Unfortunately it seems that a large number of GT Sport players have bought GT7 in anticipation that GTS functionality would simply be ported across. This is not the case. However, as real cash is involved here, it seems many are enduring this loss and persisting with GT7 rather than return to GTS.

GTS is a ghost town with “Arcade” players in the majority. GT Planet forum for GTS seems to only have a dribble of posts now.

Net result is that GTS will die and loyal players will have to either put up with the “add-on” experience GT7 affords or seek their enjoyment in other games or platforms.

Sad days indeed. I hope I am wrong.

 

[boostdmarkii]

i agreee wth we need better rewards for actual driving ability or achievements this whole colleector level system is just weird.. Gran turismo has become the driving sinulator that doesnt care how much or even how well you can drive. 99% of players can throw it on easy and beat cpu any race, and with the only actual in race achivement being a clean race why would you play it any harder smh.. sport mode is pretty riculous 10th place 5k first place a few thousand more and no matter how long the race is or who your opponents are there all the same payout or very similar rewards basicly just for participating hahaa..

 

[Igano]

It would be up to PD for GT7 not to die. IMO they are completely disconnected from their fan base and what is missing from their game. Kaz's mentality is unfortunately the biggest problem. I expect in the future GT7 updates only additional content with very small improvements here and there, that will frankly not turn the tide.

 

[ludacofi]

you all have really great ideas that don’t have anything to do with sports mode but should still be realised, and that’s great as there really are a lot of people that never play sport mode. however, imo -even with many of your ideas integrated- there should still be some kind of way to make participation in sport mode more worthwhile and i think roulettes are still a great way. yes they are also part of the problem as payout is ridiculous sometimes, but if they were easier to acquire, ALSO for offline players but even more for sport mode players, they would be common enough to tolerate a relatively low payout while still keeping the benefits i mentioned originally.

 

[gigio79]

as you all know, recently there was this huge outrage about GT7 being too grindy and the devs intentionally making it even more grindy in order to incentivise the player to buy micro transactions. PD themselves say that this is an issue they want to fix, and i think that i have got a good idea on how to do that:

in sport mode (and ONLY in sport mode) they should introduce a system where 1st place receives a 5-star roulette spin, 2nd place receives a 4-star roulette spin, 3rd place receives a 3-star roulette spin and so on.

BENEFITS:
1. incentive to play “sport” mode, which would keep this mode and thus the entire game alive for longer.
2. encourages the player base to improve their driving skills, i.e. to play more.
3. rewards players who put in the effort.
3. it does all of the above AND most people wouldn’t complain about the game being too grindy anymore.

TLDR: better rewards for being good at the game.

what do you think?

Not all gyus play Sport mode, it's just a little number of people. PD should put everybody in the same conditions to play the game. I don't know what they have in mind, and if they are thinking how to fix the game. One thing is sure, GT7 as it is now has disappointed the Community. I think fans were expecting a completely different game.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I don't want more roulette tickets, they take long enough to do their fake spin and land on 2K or 5K every time. Doesn't matter whether it's 1 star or 4 stars. In bulk maybe a better price will come up, yet I'm not going to sit their to watch the wheel spins for 10 minutes, no thanks.

Payouts for online should at least be in line with what you get on average for single player racing by time invested. With a lower spread from first to last to discourage tanking your ratings to get better payouts.

 

[Keef]

I can't tell if you're joking or not lmao. Roulette tickets are part of the problem because their odds are obviously not equal and are rigged for the smallest payouts possible. Plus, in a game where credits are so scarce, the possibility of winning parts for cars you don't own, or invitations for cars you can't own is freaking pointless.

The solution to all this is simple: Make Daily Race/online payouts large enough to make it worth my time. Each race needs to pay out like 100k credits for first place, minimum. Hell, I likely spent 50 of that just buying stupid tuning parts to make my car competitive.

Another idea that could make the game worthwhile would be paying credits for likes and downloads of your liveries and decals. If somebody is literally putting work into the game - and creating liveries takes way longer than running races - then they should be rewarded for a job well done. I mean, if they're going to go as far as to screw the game's economy with ridiculous payouts and prices then at least economize every aspect of it. Think about how many rad liveries Sean Bull could create if only he could afford the cars to create them on...if his account was paid 1,000 credits per livery like or download then boom, he can afford another car to create another livery and you've generated a whole new stream of credits for a person who might not necessarily care about the racing aspect of the game.

 

[s0cks]

GT7 may not die, but I think that Sport mode may well do.

Sport mode in GT7 is a shadow of what GT Sport offers.

View individual lap times…..no
Report inappropriate behaviour…….no
Discover next weeks races in advance to allow practice….no
Buy and sell race cars…….no
Create a lobby with the ability to save settings……no
View your detailed DR/SR rating……no

Unfortunately it seems that a large number of GT Sport players have bought GT7 in anticipation that GTS functionality would simply be ported across. This is not the case. However, as real cash is involved here, it seems many are enduring this loss and persisting with GT7 rather than return to GTS.

GTS is a ghost town with “Arcade” players in the majority. GT Planet forum for GTS seems to only have a dribble of posts now.

Net result is that GTS will die and loyal players will have to either put up with the “add-on” experience GT7 affords or seek their enjoyment in other games or platforms.

Sad days indeed. I hope I am wrong.

One would think they'll fix all this if they want to keep the eSports scene they fostered in GTS alive.

For me personally, I booted GTS back up and the cars felt lifeless to drive compared to GT7. That's why I'll stick to GT7 for the meantime. The payouts are atrocious though. Close to 3hrs of Sport mode last night in Race C netted me less than 50,000Cr. I could earn that in under 10min in single player.

Penalties are also bugged. You can barely tap a player from behind and get a 2s penalty. Hit them from the side though, no penalty.

 

[LSFDRX]

Nothing is going to die, and soon we will all forget about this as our lives move on, updates come, and the people who truly like the game remain. Just like GT Sport.

 

[Nebuc72]

Daily Race C could pay out 250k credits for a win and it'd still be less efficient than grinding as there's only two per hour. Whatever they do, it needs to be pretty drastic - as Sport mode feels like its operating on an entirely different economy.

 

[m76]

as you all know, recently there was this huge outrage about GT7 being too grindy and the devs intentionally making it even more grindy in order to incentivise the player to buy micro transactions. PD themselves say that this is an issue they want to fix, and i think that i have got a good idea on how to do that:

in sport mode (and ONLY in sport mode) they should introduce a system where 1st place receives a 5-star roulette spin, 2nd place receives a 4-star roulette spin, 3rd place receives a 3-star roulette spin and so on.

BENEFITS:
1. incentive to play “sport” mode, which would keep this mode and thus the entire game alive for longer.
2. encourages the player base to improve their driving skills, i.e. to play more.
3. rewards players who put in the effort.
3. it does all of the above AND most people wouldn’t complain about the game being too grindy anymore.

TLDR: better rewards for being good at the game.

what do you think?

1. No thanks, I've waited for GT7 for 8 years exactly because I don't want to play sport mode.
2. You know what would encourage me to play more? More race events with big prizes, not the annoying missions, or the cafe with cars I don't want or like.
3. The game should be it's own reward, I don't want carrots I want a game that is worth playing at face value.
4. Grinding in sport mode is still grinding.

PS: What they should do is in the description of the game already: Sell. If they are genuine they should just enable that as a gesture of good faith ASAP.

 

[mynameis66]

I see where your coming from but what about those that dont play sport mode?I think you will find more people dont play sport mode than do,i personally dont as im not that good a driver but i also dont want to play online against other people.Before anybody says`ah but you are playing online as the game is online`i dont have to subscribe to ps to play single player mode.
If that were ever the case i wouldnt play the game,not because of the cost but some weeks i wont play any ps5 games at all,due to work or familly stuff,so form me it would be a waste of money.Before GT7 came out i was averaging probably 3-6 hrs per week,not a lot i know but life just gets in the way.

 

[Dunderbolt]

as you all know, recently there was this huge outrage about GT7 being too grindy and the devs intentionally making it even more grindy in order to incentivise the player to buy micro transactions. PD themselves say that this is an issue they want to fix, and i think that i have got a good idea on how to do that:

in sport mode (and ONLY in sport mode) they should introduce a system where 1st place receives a 5-star roulette spin, 2nd place receives a 4-star roulette spin, 3rd place receives a 3-star roulette spin and so on.

BENEFITS:
1. incentive to play “sport” mode, which would keep this mode and thus the entire game alive for longer.
2. encourages the player base to improve their driving skills, i.e. to play more.
3. rewards players who put in the effort.
3. it does all of the above AND most people wouldn’t complain about the game being too grindy anymore.

TLDR: better rewards for being good at the game.

what do you think?

Lol. So people want a single player experience and your way to fix the grind issue is to force those same people to play multiplayer?

Here. Do it like this and I said this before: Have cafe be more than a glorified campaign mode.

Every day is a "menu" of six challenges each one corresponding to the 6 different tickets, they all vary in difficulty according to the star amount.

They can give money/a multiplier upon completion if a challenge.

For instance. "Win against Gr. 1 cars with a 850pp car" that way you can get players to do custom races and they'll earn a fancy payout mixed with a guaranteed ticket.

Or, "win the 800 WTC championship with an under PP car."

Again, this isn't a select-a-mission-for-the-day kind of deal. You can complete all 6 within a single day before it rerolls them.
Then, there is a "special" that is offered that if you take it, that can earn you guaranteed rewards. On top of a massive payout.

Also, adjust the roulette to literally not be rigged. If 5 items shows up on the circulation, make it a 1/5 chance for each item. Not this percentage BS