Ice Arena - Hard

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I decided that I really wanted the Bluebird Rally Car, so I set out to beat Ice Arena - Hard in the special conditions hall. I'd beaten easy and normal without much trouble. Well, hard was a different story ... definitely the toughest thing I've done so far in GT4, including the missions and licences. To sum it up, you can't out-power the opponent, and there is almost nowhere to pass on the reverse circuit. :crazy: It took me more than three hours to show this thing who's boss :D

I started with the reverse course, as I'd recently run that in normal mode, and felt slightly more familiar with it than the first. I began with a Subaru WRX Rally Car '99 with a Stage 3 Turbo (about 380hp), against an Evo VI Rally Car '99. It left me on the line, and I just couldn't keep up (more on this in a minute). :grumpy:

So, I figure, lets try something with a bit more grunt 💡 , and hopped in my Lancia Delta S4 group b rally car (about 450hp). I could keep up, just barely in the S4, making up about 1.5 seconds on the main straight, and loosing about the same through the rest of the course. Through most of the course, I wasn't getting any of the power because the turbo doesn't kick in until you get the revs up. And, if I did manage to get the turbo spooled up, the sudden burst of power threw me off (I think the same thing was happening with the Subaru ... turbo lag). I finished about 1.000 behind three or four times, and decided the S4 wasn't the right car.

Getting frustrated now, I got in a stock Evo IV rally car '97 (289hp). It gets off the line nicely starting in 2nd gear, and has a lot more grip than the S4. When I loaded it up, I'm against the Corolla Rally car. Ran the race three or four times finishing 0.200 - 0.400 back. Now, I'm having no trouble keeping up, but passing is another matter. Getting by cleanly is nearly impossible, and the 5 second penalty gods had it in for me. :dunce:

My first plan of attack was to try and get past by outbraking the Corolla into turn 1. But the Corolla loves to drive right in the middle of the road, and I couldn't get by without touching him ... penalty. :grumpy:

On to Plan B ... pass him in the hairpins. At the start of the race, I hung back and followed cleanly through the chicane, and around turn three. I floored it through turn 4 (the 90-degree right before the first hairpin) and let the tail touch the outside wall, which helped to slow me down for the hairpin. (One note here, the 5 second penalty only seems to apply when you hit something with the front half of your car 👍 👍 👍 ).

I went inside of the Corolla on the entrance to the hairpin, and made sure to swing the back end waaaay out, so that I would just touch him with my rear quarter panel. The key to making it stick way to make sure I went all the way over to the wall on exit, pinning the Corolla behind me.

So, now I'm actually ahead for the first time, after running this race for more than three hours!!! :scared: :scared: From there on out, it was just a matter of keeping it clean and not getting a penalty or spinning ... stay calm!!! On lap 2, the Corolla got inside of me on turn 3 (the right sweeper) but went wide and a I re-passed him through turn 4 using my floor-it-and-bouce technique. The Corolla pressured me a few times, but I was able to keep him behind me by blocking him in a few spots. My fifth lap wasn't great, having a few too many bumps on the way round, and at the line, I won by less than a second. Whew!!!

Now, I've got to do the forward race ... which, it turns out was pretty easy. :rolleyes: I won it by more than three seconds on the first try.

The reason it was so much easier is that there are a lot more opportunities to pass on the forward ciruit (I realize now that there are almost none on the reverse circuit). I passed the Corolla through turn 1, and never looked back. The first hairpin would be another ideal passing opportunity. On the reverse circuit, the only place where you're really braking down from speed is the first turn (the chicane), and it's too tight to pass. There's nowhere else to get a run on your opponent.

Here's some pics :) notice my passing technique in the first one ...

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I usually end up leaving the ice races out of frustration before I even get halfway through.

I also end up using the bump and block technique (I know its cheap). Make such a good attempt at passing that you have no way of not getting penalized, and make sure you spend that penalty time with the nose of their car on your bumper.

The ice races are probably going to be my last completion on my way to 100%.
 
Yeah, that race was HORRIBLE. Due to the penalties, it's almost impossible for you to pass, and if the other car gets even close, you better hit the brakes and get as far away from him as possible, since even the slightest bump by him as he's passing you gives you a penalty. Since you can't pass, and the AI can pass super-easy, and give YOU a penalty to boot, I realized there was only one advantage left to me: human ingenuity.

Yes, I've been using the ride-the-wall technique for a while now. It seems like the only way I can win in some of those races. It's cheap, not much fun, and super gay, but it's the only thing I could think of....other than *practicing* for a while...but who wants to spend time doing that? I was filled with much rage during that race, and when I finally won, I felt like a dirty sinep...but at least i finally got that god awful race out of the way!
 
You need to reduce the sizes on my pics :( Almost lost my patience!



I might have to try to get something to crush the comp , Since I suck at Rally :ill:
 
sanrensho
Luxy
So, how do you like the Bluebird Rally Car. Was it worth it?

Well, it *looks* pretty nice :) ... but I haven't driven it yet :dunce: After I finished the Ice Arena races, I figured there was no time like the present to do the Normal and Hard Chamonix races.


MaxxTraxx
I might have to try to get something to crush the comp , Since I suck at Rally

That's why this race was so tough, you really can't over-power your opponent, because there's no place to let a high-horsepower car loose. You'll just end up spinning or with a penalty. The Lancia S4 I tried had about 150hp more than my opponent, and it didn't help a bit. The only thing I can think that might give you an advantage would be more downforce. I tried acouble of touring cars, but couldn't equip snow tires. I wonder if the FTO LM can still take dirt/snow tires like it did in GT3?
 
I really struggled with the ice racing - even though I've done it for years here. I found that if you turn all the traction control off, and take the oversteer ASM off and leave the understeer ASM at one or two it gets way easier.

For instance, you cannot use the handbrake with the ASM on, it just goes straight.

With it off the car moves around alot, like drifting, but slow in and fast out works wonders.....

good luck
 
I have completed all the special condition events, and found the best way to win the rallies was to ride the wall. If you skid the rear end of your car into the wall you don't get the time penalty. Therefore skid the rear of the car into the wall and accelerate using the wall to put you in the right direction. The time penalty only seems to occur when you hit a wall with the front of the car. I did this for all the rallies with a RS200. It may not be a glamorous technique, but it definetly works. Hope this helps.
 
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