If "washed out" graphics are your prob (READ THIS!)

[squeakD]

Folks.., here's a possible solution that will (hopefully) drastically reduce the "washed out/vertical hatching" issue with the darker colors (if your TV has the feature). Many have reported that they're seeing this problem on their flat-screens (myself included). Also.., many of us have at this point probably felt that we've exhausted the resources available to us on our TV's.

Tonight I found a function hidden within the Advanced Video settings on my Vizio (Wal-Mart) brand TV. If your TV has a function called NOISE REDUCTION I suggest tinkering with this setting. I must have passed by that setting 100 times. I set mine to STRONG and WOW what a major difference 👍 It hasn't completely taken it away but what a MAJOR change it has made to the graphics overall.

If you have a Vizio.., this setting may be on your model. Not sure of other brands..., as I can't recall seeing anything like this on my LG flat-screen. Hope this info helps some of you.

 

[TeddyBear-420]

gt5 related?

 

[dark_ruffo]

Post processing effects, like denoisers might introduce input lag that you might not want to have when playing a game that relies on instant reactions, like GT5.

 

[squeakD]

gt5 related?

It's certainly GT-5 related. PD pushed so hard on the graphics with GT-5 (not to forget that they UP-CONVERTED).., that they're not only pushing the PS3's capabilities.., they're pushing many HD TV's to the edge or beyond the edge of their capabilities.

Many people have this issue (with just this racing game and prologue) on their HD TV's. So I think it's appropriate if it helps others to get the most out of GT-5 visually.

The game has amazing graphics.., but unfortunately PD's not waiting for the TV technology to catch up to their vision.., so any info to help others get to see the beauty of this games graphics is all good in my book.

 

[squeakD]

Post processing effects, like denoisers might introduce input lag that you might not want to have when playing a game that relies on instant reactions, like GT5.

That was a concern of my mine.., but I honestly haven't noticed any lag. Again..., it didn't completely remove the problem.., but greatly improved it. Perhaps my TV's filtering (not being overly strong) is a good thing for me

 

[Zenmervolt]

It's certainly GT-5 related. PD pushed so hard on the graphics with GT-5 (not to forget that they UP-CONVERTED).., that they're not only pushing the PS3's capabilities.., they're pushing many HD TV's to the edge or beyond the edge of their capabilities.

Many people have this issue (with just this racing game and prologue) on their HD TV's. So I think it's appropriate if it helps others to get the most out of GT-5 visually.

The game has amazing graphics.., but unfortunately PD's not waiting for the TV technology to catch up to their vision.., so any info to help others get to see the beauty of this games graphics is all good in my book.

Uh... The TV receives a video signal, that's all. It doesn't care one iota how that signal is generated. All the TV sees is a 1080p (or 720p) signal coming in. No extra processing, nothing. It's simply not possible for GT5 to "[push] HD TV's [sic] to the edge or beyond the edge of their capabilities."

The game can't pass any more colors than the PS3 natively can, it doesn't need post-processing like 3:2 pulldown, etc. It just generates a generic video signal.

The actual problem is that very few people ever bother to actually adjust the settings for color, brightness, contrast, backlight, etc for their televisions. People rely on the factory presets which have far too much contrast and saturation and generally a pretty terrible for actually seeing detail (they're great for catching people's attention in a store with bright colors though).

 

[alx-ndr]

My TV seems ok, I've played around a lot with the video settings so it's pretty much perfect for PS3.

 

[HippieGiraffe]

It's certainly GT-5 related. PD pushed so hard on the graphics with GT-5 (not to forget that they UP-CONVERTED).., that they're not only pushing the PS3's capabilities.., they're pushing many HD TV's to the edge or beyond the edge of their capabilities.

Especially if your in a warmer area, or really high humidity. If the game gets too heavy my PS3 starts sounding like its about to take off. Only started a couple firmware updates ago, though... and it has been a hot/humid June.



My TV seems fine as well. Or at least haven't noticed anything constant, usually more concerned with staying on course. But when I have noticed these problems, its usually when the PS3 starts taxiing to the runway.

 

[squeakD]

Uh... The TV receives a video signal, that's all. It doesn't care one iota how that signal is generated. All the TV sees is a 1080p (or 720p) signal coming in. No extra processing, nothing. It's simply not possible for GT5 to "[push] HD TV's [sic] to the edge or beyond the edge of their capabilities."

The game can't pass any more colors than the PS3 natively can, it doesn't need post-processing like 3:2 pulldown, etc. It just generates a generic video signal.

The actual problem is that very few people ever bother to actually adjust the settings for color, brightness, contrast, backlight, etc for their televisions. People rely on the factory presets which have far too much contrast and saturation and generally a pretty terrible for actually seeing detail (they're great for catching people's attention in a store with bright colors though).

The problem isn't that few people dig into the settings. It's a problem on PD's end. The up conversion done via the game isn't helping the issue. I've played countless games over the years on my consoles using flat screens. Not once have I seen a title portray such a problem as this. I've also tried the game on several of my friends TV's and they have the same issues..., and they have better quality TV's than I do.

Don't generalize everyone. Many people are digging into the color settings. Some TV's apparently handle it better. Hell.., I can't count the number of user reviews where someone mentioned that you need a really good TV to get the most out of this title.

 

[squeakD]

Especially if your in a warmer area, or really high humidity. If the game gets too heavy my PS3 starts sounding like its about to take off. Only started a couple firmware updates ago, though... and it has been a hot/humid June.



My TV seems fine as well. Or at least haven't noticed anything constant, usually more concerned with staying on course. But when I have noticed these problems, its usually when the PS3 starts taxiing to the runway.

You might want to place a fan near your PS3. Do you have air-conditioning?

 

[Cowboys965]

I have a Polaroid would this be on here? Graphics look fine IMO though

 

[Starfirebird]

Folks.., here's a possible solution that will (hopefully) drastically reduce the "washed out/vertical hatching" issue with the darker colors (if your TV has the feature). Many have reported that they're seeing this problem on their flat-screens (myself included). Also.., many of us have at this point probably felt that we've exhausted the resources available to us on our TV's.

Tonight I found a function hidden within the Advanced Video settings on my Vizio (Wal-Mart) brand TV. If your TV has a function called NOISE REDUCTION I suggest tinkering with this setting. I must have passed by that setting 100 times. I set mine to STRONG and WOW what a major difference 👍 It hasn't completely taken it away but what a MAJOR change it has made to the graphics overall.

If you have a Vizio.., this setting may be on your model. Not sure of other brands..., as I can't recall seeing anything like this on my LG flat-screen. Hope this info helps some of you.

I think i may have this setting on my Samsung.I'll play around with it and see what happens.Thanks for the tip 👍

 

[HippieGiraffe]

You might want to place a fan near your PS3. Do you have air-conditioning?

Fans are futile, just spinning warm air about the room. A/C is a waste of money. Besides, I'm Canadian. After 8 months of snow, I don't mind a little sweat.

Anyways, a PS3 is a computer remember, when worked hard it will go into overdrive. Your regular PC likely does the exact same thing when running anything heavy. I'm not worried anyhow, have never had a playstation fail from overheating. Have had an original PS funk out (defected and Sony replaced for free) and a 40GB PS3 with a bad bluray (well known issue), though. It is openly ventilated and regularly cleaned with compressed air, however 👍

 

[Moot]

The actual problem is that very few people ever bother to actually adjust the settings for color, brightness, contrast, backlight, etc for their televisions. People rely on the factory presets which have far too much contrast and saturation and generally a pretty terrible for actually seeing detail (they're great for catching people's attention in a store with bright colors though).

Doesn't that depend on if your TV has a high contrast ratio or not? I have to have my TV set to maximum contrast.

 

[Jaywalker]

How can an audio setting affect the video output?

 

[iamjajo]

We play on a Sony and a Samsung. Both TVs have a game mode feature that we use.

GT5 looks good on both TVs. The Game mode is supposed to reduce the amount of video processing so there is less lag. Seems to work OK for us.

 

[dark_ruffo]

How can an audio setting affect the video output?

There is noise on video too.

 

[squeakD]

All I can say is after spending a good amount of time tweaking the settings on my Vizio.., the one that brought it all together was "noise reduction" under the advanced video settings.

I posted a while back that when my PS3 was hooked up to my LG that the issue was much less noticeable. I found that there is also a noise reduction setting within advanced settings. What made the game look better on this TV is that it was set to "medium" on default.

Even after pushing my Vizio up to the strongest noise reduction settings I've not noticed any lag at all. If it's there.., the lag is so minor it's hard to pick up. Without fully flaming another title I have.., if this setting has introduced a minute lag.., it doesn't affect game play in the way lag has affected a more recent title that has been "Unleashed" to the gaming community

 

[Willfred_1]

How can an audio setting affect the video output?

in theory yes as both sound and video go through a hdmi cable
try a gold plated ended hdmi as that has less resistance so could improve it

 

[squeakD]

in theory yes as both sound and video go through a hdmi cable
try a gold plated ended hdmi as that has less resistance so could improve it

I was actually planning on trying a gold plated HDMI this weekend. I'm curious to see if this will actually help reduce it as there is currently a good consumer debate going on regarding whether higher end HDMI cables are worth the investment.

 

[Ecchi-BANZAII!!]

Move thread to this place
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=64
(Computers, Electronics & The Internet)

 

[squeakD]

Move thread to this place
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=64
(Computers, Electronics & The Internet)

Why move this topic.?.? It's certainly related to GT-5. No one told you to read the topic. If it doesn't pertain to you or you're not noticing it.., or do and just don't care.., then that's fine. However.., this is a legit issue with the game that affects a lot of people.

To bury something like this in the other sub-forum wouldn't be beneficial to others who come to the (GT FORUM) to find answers to their (GT RELATED) topics. Leave the moderating to the moderators.

On a side note to your signature..., sorry to break it to you man.., but there are some race cars that actually use what you call NOOB tools. What's the point in having such an "elitist" and "ignorant" signature.

 

[ghd765]

in theory yes as both sound and video go through a hdmi cable
try a gold plated ended hdmi as that has less resistance so could improve it

Buying a gold plated HDMI cable is a huge waste of money, HDMI is a digital interface, and there sends your TV a stream of 1's and 0's, with old analogue cables (e.g. SCART), gold plating was a good idea as it reduced interference, but with digital the data either gets there or it doesn't. There is no middle ground. Even a £1 HDMI will do the job. The only time a gold plated one might help is if you can see visible interference on your TV (this is usually caused by very long, e.g. 10m+ HDMI cables).

Infact, gold isn't even that good a conductor, it is used because it doesn't corrode.

Don't fall for this marketing ploy.

 

[squeakD]

Buying a gold plated HDMI cable is a huge waste of money, HDMI is a digital interface, and there sends your TV a stream of 1's and 0's, with old analogue cables (e.g. SCART), gold plating was a good idea as it reduced interference, but with digital the data either gets there or it doesn't. There is no middle ground. Even a £1 HDMI will do the job. The only time a gold plated one might help is if you can see visible interference on your TV (this is usually caused by very long, e.g. 10m+ HDMI cables).

Infact, gold isn't even that good a conductor, it is used because it doesn't corrode.

Don't fall for this marketing ploy.

This is why I haven't purchased one. There have been countless articles and reviews written on this issue. I think I've seen this topic on Good Morning America too. The general opinion (those in the profession) is that it is as you stated a "marketing ploy". Fortunately I know someone who has one for me to test out before dropping dough on one.

 

[phil_75]

I was actually planning on trying a gold plated HDMI this weekend. I'm curious to see if this will actually help reduce it as there is currently a good consumer debate going on regarding whether higher end HDMI cables are worth the investment.

Gold plated HDMI will give you nothing more than a placebo effect, the sort where you WANT to see a difference cos you just spent stupid money on it!

As for OP - WTF? do you know what noise reduction is?

Only thing that will do is get rid of fine detail (Not good) It cannot effect the colour range so I don't really know what to say apart from turn brightness down and colour up until you are happy.......Noise reduction ....LMAO!!!

 

[squeakD]

Gold plated HDMI will give you nothing more than a placebo effect, the sort where you WANT to see a difference cos you just spent stupid money on it!

As for OP - WTF? do you know what noise reduction is?

Only thing that will do is get rid of fine detail (Not good) It cannot effect the colour range so I don't really know what to say apart from turn brightness down and colour up until you are happy.......Noise reduction ....LMAO!!!

Do you even "know" what the problem is that's being discussed here? Have you actually experienced it or seen it for yourself? It's NOT something that is fixed by just turning up color and adjusting brightness. Noise Reduction hasn't in NO WAY reduced fine detail on my TV. By increasing the level applied to the image it has actually CLEANED up the graphics and the game as a whole even looks better.

Look at the tools that PD provided in the Options under the Pause menu. It appears to me (based on the options available there) that PD is aware of the issue and provided tools IN GAME to help reduce the problem. There are a few filtering options available IN GAME.

 

[GTP_Gearhead]

I have a 37" Vizio from Walmart. This does work folks. I set my input to game, turned contrast down a hair, then noise reduction to high. Noticeable difference indeed. Noise reduction is just a low pass filter that will smooth out the picture. I also suggest raising your sharpness a hair as high noise reduction will lower sharpness.

 

[squeakD]

I have a 37" Vizio from Walmart. This does work folks. I set my input to game, turned contrast down a hair, then noise reduction to high. Noticeable difference indeed. Noise reduction is just a low pass filter that will smooth out the picture. I also suggest raising your sharpness a hair as high noise reduction will lower sharpness.

Awesome! Glad it worked for you 👍 Interestingly I too have a 37" Vizio from Walmart. We probably have the same model I also found that it needed a boost in the sharpness. I think the default contrast setting for the preset I used was 50. I've dropped mine a tad too.

 

[another_jakhole]

Wow some people are just so rude. Even lowing sharpness when the game is paused makes the display look blurry/fuzzy, but in motion, it's perfectly smooth. I have a Vizio TV and switching to Game Mode automatically switches the Noise Reduction to Medium. BUT, even with Game Mode I make some adjustments to settings like Color and such.

To you, squeakD, is Extend really the best option for the Adaptive Luma setting? I'm a bit confused as to whether I should leave it Off or on Extend, which is turned on when using Game Mode. And do you leave Color Enhancement at "Rich"? To me, I keep it off because it appears to be too strong.

 

[squeakD]

Wow some people are just so rude. Even lowing sharpness when the game is paused makes the display look blurry/fuzzy, but in motion, it's perfectly smooth. I have a Vizio TV and switching to Game Mode automatically switches the Noise Reduction to Medium. BUT, even with Game Mode I make some adjustments to settings like Color and such.

To you, squeakD, is Extend really the best option for the Adaptive Luma setting? I'm a bit confused as to whether I should leave it Off or on Extend, which is turned on when using Game Mode. And do you leave Color Enhancement at "Rich"? To me, I keep it off because it appears to be too strong.

I suggest switching the Adaptive Lu. Setting to "off"..., and here's why. When making adjustments to this setting what I found was an issue with "inconsistency". I found for example.., one setting worked better for the tunnels, but didn't do as well as another for outside the tunnels. Because of this I ended up turning it off. I will however say that Extended is NOT the setting you want this at. Extended is actually making the problem stand out more.

Setting it to off made it look better overall IMO. After turning this setting off.., I did find that bumping the Color up really helped too. When it comes to the "Color Enhancement" IMO I find the "normal" setting to look the best. What's your Sharpness setting at. On my Vizio model I find that a setting of 5 looks good.