If wheel support isn't added for the PS4 will you buy GT7?

[Bakemono36]

I dont use a wheel, so no big deal to me.

 

[Johnnypenso]

We're not asking Logitech to continue making wheels for the Consoles, but rather for support so that the wheels that have already been bought and are actually there can work. This came to light recently for many because it gained awareness over the months.

Plenty of individuals bought Logitech wheels and also bought them in the hopes of PS4 support in mind. Hence why there's such a frazzle about it.

New G27's are still for sale at all kinds of retailers. 4 of them just showed up at my local Best Buy in fact. Once you make the dies for the mouldings, you pump out as many as you can because the dies are so expensive but you only pay for them once. Even at $200 retail they are still making money. I think they are still making the wheels, they just aren't designing anything new.

 

[JKgo]

......don't have a wheel. Had enough in my wallet to buy one then....life happened. And I'm not quite good enough driver anyway. Still will get GT7 when it comes out. Even if it's made of dog poo-poo I'll probably....dump my $60 on it...Okay maybe not on day one. After The Letdown That Was GT5, I got weary and only bought GT6 after the price drop. Which didn't take long.

 

[nickg07]

Selling my dfgt for £40 and buying a t300 gte for £207. I xan use it now till next year when I'm sure GT7 Demo or some such will come out and then buy a ps4.

If ps4 had backwards compatability to ps3 then I'd have sold my ps3 and bought a ps4 already.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Selling my dfgt for £40 and buying a t300 gte for £207. I xan use it now till next year when I'm sure GT7 Demo or some such will come out and then buy a ps4.

If ps4 had backwards compatability to ps3 then I'd have sold my ps3 and bought a ps4 already.

Buy the PS4 in the spring and then Project Cars, you might forget about GT altogether

 

[Astro_BS-AS]

I do have a PS4, and while it´s a great console I won´t buy GT7 without Logitech support.

I used to "play" GranTurismo with a DualShock until I bought my fist "Driving Force" for the PS2. From that moment I NEVER move back to a controller. I just can´t stand it. I have no problem using a DualShock to play NFS, or another crap like that, but GT? No. Just no.

It´s great that people can enjoy playing with a DS, but there´s a world of difference once you´ve used a wheel. I can´t and I WON´T go back.

No support, no GT7. And I won´t be "proud" in any way because of that, I´ll be quite sad. I´ll stick to my ps3 and my DFGT over my camping table....

In any case I remember reading that besides the "security chip" nonsense, if anyone wants they can code a driver for the Logi wheels to work. So I won´t trust Sony in any case... I´ll keep my trust to PD. If anyone can make it work are them. I hope so.

 

[eatyourdog]

I do have a PS4, and while it´s a great console I won´t buy GT7 without Logitech support.

I used to "play" GranTurismo with a DualShock until I bought my fist "Driving Force" for the PS2. From that moment I NEVER move back to a controller. I just can´t stand it. I have no problem using a DualShock to play NFS, or another crap like that, but GT? No. Just no.

It´s great that people can enjoy playing with a DS, but there´s a world of difference once you´ve used a wheel. I can´t and I WON´T go back.

No support, no GT7. And I won´t be "proud" in any way because of that, I´ll be quite sad. I´ll stick to my ps3 and my DFGT over my camping table....

In any case I remember reading that besides the "security chip" nonsense, if anyone wants they can code a driver for the Logi wheels to work. So I won´t trust Sony in any case... I´ll keep my trust to PD. If anyone can make it work are them. I hope so.

More or less how I feel. Playing GT with and without the wheel are two different games. Really hope support is added, love the GT games and would hate to miss out on GT7 :/

 

[SSRacingUK]

Did you guys consider the idea that maybe without an exclusive deal it wouldn't be economically viable for a manafacturer to make a high end wheel for consoles ? I seem to recall an article a while back where logitech were going to stop making gaming peripherals soon.

 

[MustangManiac]

Did you guys consider the idea that maybe without an exclusive deal it wouldn't be economically viable for a manafacturer to make a high end wheel for consoles ? I seem to recall an article a while back where logitech were going to stop making gaming peripherals soon.

Correction, Logitech is going to stop making gaming console peripherals, they will continue to make pc peripherals from what I hear.

 

[Tornado]

Considering how happily Sony paraded around how much wheel support was a possibility that rested on game developers (through a couple of press releases that Sony conveniently released around the same time Microsoft was being raked over the coals for their wheel compatibility) as opposed to a hardware lockout they specifically included from the start, Sony will be lucky if I buy a PS4 at all if the shell game remains the status quo. Nevermind GT7.

 

[eatyourdog]

Did you guys consider the idea that maybe without an exclusive deal it wouldn't be economically viable for a manafacturer to make a high end wheel for consoles ? I seem to recall an article a while back where logitech were going to stop making gaming peripherals soon.

I'm not asking for new wheels from Logitech, all I want is support for my current g27.

 

[SSRacingUK]

I'm not asking for new wheels from Logitech, all I want is support for my current g27.

My point is that as part of a deal is it not possible that in order to make it economically viable for a company to produce a high end wheel they would ask that Sony don't support other manafacturers wheels? And since, as someone pointed out, Logitech are to cease console peripherals it isn't in anyones interest in the long run to offer support for their products. Not saying it's nice, I for one have a G25 but I'm prepared to purchase a new wheel if I have to, capitalism at its finest!

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Considering how happily Sony paraded around how much wheel support was a possibility that rested on game developers (through a couple of press releases that Sony conveniently released around the same time Microsoft was being raked over the coals for their wheel compatibility) as opposed to a hardware lockout they specifically included from the start, Sony will be lucky if I buy a PS4 at all if the shell game remains the status quo. Nevermind GT7.

What were the two press releases you are speaking about? From what I remember, what they said is quite accurate in what is happening so far.

 

[Johnnypenso]

My point is that as part of a deal is it not possible that in order to make it economically viable for a company to produce a high end wheel they would ask that Sony don't support other manafacturers wheels? And since, as someone pointed out, Logitech are to cease console peripherals it isn't in anyones interest in the long run to offer support for their products. Not saying it's nice, I for one have a G25 but I'm prepared to purchase a new wheel if I have to, capitalism at its finest!

Since Sony has no stake in any wheel manufacturer, it's in their best interest IMO to ensure that any and all peripherals available are supported on their system. Any consumer with half a brain is going to realize that the cost of PS4+wheel is about the same as great gaming pc+keep my current unsupported wheel. For a sim racing fan the gaming choices on PC are vastly greater, the cost dramatically lower, you don't pay to play online and you don't have to buy a new wheel to do so either. PC has every great racing sim ever made all it's missing is Forza and GT. Consoles have Forza and GT and every great racing sim ever made is missing.

If they made a deal with Thrustmaster, and it looks like they have, IMO it's very shortsighted and they are taking a huge gamble on the loyalty of their consumers when it comes to the racing game portion of the market.

 

[MustangManiac]

My point is that as part of a deal is it not possible that in order to make it economically viable for a company to produce a high end wheel they would ask that Sony don't support other manafacturers wheels? And since, as someone pointed out, Logitech are to cease console peripherals it isn't in anyones interest in the long run to offer support for their products. Not saying it's nice, I for one have a G25 but I'm prepared to purchase a new wheel if I have to, capitalism at its finest!

I could see your point if the company that had the exclusive was going to offer a wide range of wheels: $100, $200, $300 etc. But that doesn't seem to be the case, all I see offered are $300+. In my opinion that is not a very affordable option. Especially considering as others have said, once you pay for the system and the wheel you might as well buy or upgrade your pc and have a much better selection of sims. Which is more than likely exactly what I am going to do.

 

[Riblo72]

@MustangManiac... TBH Crapmasters offers also cheaper wheels but they are all cheap and ugly apart from T300 and T500...
The problem is that both T300 and T500 are so overcosted that they are not worth your money... T300 has a very cheap plastic outside and ugly cheap pedals without clutch forcing you to buy better pedals from Crapmasters too and if you want the separate H shift you must pay more... T500 is priced according a Fanatec wheel but with half its quality and the H shift is still separate...
I think that among all the wheels manufacturers Sony choose the worst one for PS4...
But it's a Sony problem now that they are not getting my 400$ for PS4 and more money from all the driving games (pcars, the crew, driveclub, GT7)...
My G27 is amazing and i have AC, rfactor, GTR2, Shift2, Grid Autosport, and so on on my PC and pCars and The Crew will be out for PC too...

 

[ironman44321]

I'd rreeaallyy hate to have to buy a new wheel, but I will if I have to.

I'd be surprised if they don't add more support for GT7 though. It would be a huge hindrance for sales.

 

[Epic B]

If GT7 doesn't support wheels, that really wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. I don't have a wheel, I've never used one, and I don't have a huge desire for one. I wouldn't mind having a wheel, but I'm fine with just a controller, like I've been using for over 10 years. Price isn't the only reason I don't want a wheel. I just don't badly want one, simply because I can do without.

 

[SimTourist]

You're in for bad news mate. Logitech pulled out a while ago, and Sony probably doesn't want PS4 get hacked through usb like PS3 was. So its thrustmaster or nothing.

 

[gigio79]

Currently as it stands only Thrustma

Currently as it stands only Thrustmaster wheels are supported on the PS4 and it isn't looking too good for us non-Thrustmaster wheel users.

Right now it doesn't look like support will be added for most of the other wheels (looking really bad for us Logitech users).
Personally this will more or less determine whether or not I buy GT7. I don't feel like first, having to buy a PS4 (since right now I really don't see a reason why to buy one) and then having to shell out $350 for a new wheel! Currently I'm using my G27, so if I would want to use a wheel in GT7 I would have to either get the T500rs and then a gear shifter or the T300rs and then a compatible pedal set and gear shifter and none of these options are exactly cheep.

For me, unless I get support for my Logitech wheel I won't be getting GT7, will probably just stick with Project CARS on the PC, which sucks, but I'm not shelling out $1000 just to play GT7 :/

How does the rest of the GT community feel about this whole wheel issue?

Sony has no respect for customers, but is not a problem, I bought a PC so I will play GT7 either. To buy T300RS plus a decent pedal set (T3PA) you have to spend 450 Eur (ridicolous) plus 400 eur for PS4, I spent 950 eur for a PC and I am playing also Assetto corsa and Rfactor2, think about.

EDIT:
An article about the whole debacle:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-11-05-whats-the-deal-with-ps4-and-xbox-one-steering-wheels

TL;DR Logitech users more or less ****ed, others might be some hope for you!

ster wheels are supported on the PS4 and it isn't looking too good for us non-Thrustmaster wheel users.

Right now it doesn't look like support will be added for most of the other wheels (looking really bad for us Logitech users).
Personally this will more or less determine whether or not I buy GT7. I don't feel like first, having to buy a PS4 (since right now I really don't see a reason why to buy one) and then having to shell out $350 for a new wheel! Currently I'm using my G27, so if I would want to use a wheel in GT7 I would have to either get the T500rs and then a gear shifter or the T300rs and then a compatible pedal set and gear shifter and none of these options are exactly cheep.

For me, unless I get support for my Logitech wheel I won't be getting GT7, will probably just stick with Project CARS on the PC, which sucks, but I'm not shelling out $1000 just to play GT7 :/

How does the rest of the GT community feel about this whole wheel issue?

EDIT:
An article about the whole debacle:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-11-05-whats-the-deal-with-ps4-and-xbox-one-steering-wheels

TL;DR Logitech users more or less ****ed, others might be some hope for you!

 

[Riblo72]

You're in for bad news mate. Logitech pulled out a while ago, and Sony probably doesn't want PS4 get hacked through usb like PS3 was. So its thrustmaster or nothing.

No... It's Thrustmasters or pCars, The Crew and Assetto Corsa on PC...
GT6 Will be my last GT and PS3 my last consolle probably cause i play mostly Racing games, FPS and RPG and i can find all of this on the PC Too...
I am not going to give money to Crapmastwrs and theyir ugly priced wheels...

 

[Saidur_Ali]

Since Sony has no stake in any wheel manufacturer, it's in their best interest IMO to ensure that any and all peripherals available are supported on their system. Any consumer with half a brain is going to realize that the cost of PS4+wheel is about the same as great gaming pc+keep my current unsupported wheel. For a sim racing fan the gaming choices on PC are vastly greater, the cost dramatically lower, you don't pay to play online and you don't have to buy a new wheel to do so either. PC has every great racing sim ever made all it's missing is Forza and GT. Consoles have Forza and GT and every great racing sim ever made is missing.

If they made a deal with Thrustmaster, and it looks like they have, IMO it's very shortsighted and they are taking a huge gamble on the loyalty of their consumers when it comes to the racing game portion of the market.

Personally I haven't seen anything from Logitech saying it won't be supported and so far have only heard them trying to make it work. If they get it to work, that is also good news for Fanatec owners I imagine.

Saw this post today, which gives more hope if true: Link

Hopefully there is a new GT7 wheel with FFB pedals, that would be awesome and I will upgrade to that if that happens only if better than T300 or G27.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Personally I haven't seen anything from Logitech saying it won't be supported and so far have only heard them trying to make it work. If they get it to work, that is also good news for Fanatec owners I imagine.

Saw this post today, which gives more hope if true: Link

Hopefully there is a new GT7 wheel with FFB pedals, that would be awesome and I will upgrade to that if that happens only if better than T300 or G27.

So a guy walks into an auto show and gathers more inside information in 5 minutes than the entire gaming press has gathered in a year? Anything is possible I guess.

 

[Riblo72]

Call me cinical and pessimist but i guess these are the usual promises of Kaz and PD about GT...
The thing will happen like that: GT7 will be out and PD will say "Now the game is only supporting Crapmaster but we will give support to other wheels soon" then after a year or so Kaz will say "Sorry but due to technical limitations of the PS4 is impossible to give support to Logitech or Fanatech but you can buy a 600$ Crapmaster wheel that makes the same of your 250$ G27 or less than your 600$ Fanatech or you can play with the joypad. I myself away pkay with the DS cause it's better even than a wheel. I use wheels only at fairs just for marketing thing. Oh yes the course maker we will put it in GT8, I know you were waiting it since GT5 but there are technical limitations"...

 

[Saidur_Ali]

So a guy walks into an auto show and gathers more inside information in 5 minutes than the entire gaming press has gathered in a year? Anything is possible I guess.

Don't know persons credentials or post count as not NeoGAF member but I think they give out bans for posting false stuff so as you said anything is possible.

I do hope though Logitech can get support of their wheels to level of the T100 and T500RS and that it also works for Fanatec as I imagine that is quickest way to ensure a lot of gamers can play with a wheel.

 

[azidahaka]

If only it was true...

 

[Riblo72]

Don't know persons credentials or post count as not NeoGAF member but I think they give out bans for posting false stuff so as you said anything is possible.

I do hope though Logitech can get support of their wheels to level of the T100 and T500RS and that it also works for Fanatec as I imagine that is quickest way to ensure a lot of gamers can play with a wheel.

I think that the guy posting on NeoGAF is not telling ******** and what he reported is what he heard from Kaz...
The problem is the usual empty promises of Kaz...
Cough... Course maker... Cough... B-spec... Cough...

 

[TayeezSA]

Well, we'll never know till something actually happens. If we do eventually get G27 support then I'll worship Sony

 

[Johnnypenso]

Personally I haven't seen anything from Logitech saying it won't be supported and so far have only heard them trying to make it work. If they get it to work, that is also good news for Fanatec owners I imagine.

Saw this post today, which gives more hope if true: Link

Hopefully there is a new GT7 wheel with FFB pedals, that would be awesome and I will upgrade to that if that happens only if better than T300 or G27.

From the PCars forum a while back:

A friend located this tid bit today. This is not looking good for us Logitech folks.


« Reply #1733 on: Today at 09:21:21 »

That was from August 3rd.

Here is a comment on Reddit from yesterday...

"I can respond as I'm the guy who wrote that tweet. There's a lot of nuance to the situation and not a lot that I can say right now, but:
1) The PS4 does have a system which checks for security chips on certain USB devices.
2) The G27 was designed years before the PS4 was announced, so there's no PS4 security chip.
3) We are investigating what we can do. We don't have a solid answer yet, so we're being as honest/open as possible: Currently the wheel doesn't work with PS4, and there will be a chip that will always prevent full functionality with the PS4."

 

[Saidur_Ali]

From the PCars forum a while back:

Yes I'm aware of this information for a few months now. That is the hope as they still investigating what they can do. It would be good to get support like T100 and T500RS which is also not full functionality.