Interview with Phil Harrison

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In an exclusive interview with GamePro editor Bro Buzz, Sony's resident PlayStation 3 expert, Phil Harrison, touches on a variety of topics: Xbox exec Peter Moore's praise for the Nintendo Wii, pricing for PS3 games and hardware, and rumors concerning the PS3's abilities.

GamePro editor Bro Buzz had the opportunity to sit down with Sony executive Phill Harrison. The two industry veterans spoke about a wide range of topics. Here are the key highlights from that conversation, in Harrison's words. Sony fans should take note -- there are quite a few PS3 tidbits revealed in this sprawling, three-page article.

...On Peter Moore's Praise for the Nintendo Wii

"I think Peter Moore is exactly right. I think Nintendo will be the second system consumers purchase after PlayStation 3."

"I haven't had a chance to check out the Wii myself, but Nintendo has a great history of innovation and has always done great things for gaming and long may they do so. But as it relates to our strategy they are very much in a different market."

"I know what Peter was getting at with his price point issue but he's not comparing apples to oranges. He's not even comparing the same kind of food products at all. It's clearly a case that PlayStation 3's price is justified by PlayStation 3's value. That's what consumers base their purchasing decisions on -- value."

"What we have in addition to a great game system is a Blue Ray player, a network platform, a new controller, and HDD in every system combined in an unbelievably compelling package. And frankly I'm amazed that we can do it so cheaply."

...On the Differences Between the 20 and 60 GB PS3 Models

"The main differences are the 60 GB drive and the 20 GB drive in terms of disc storage. The 20 GB has HD component rather than HDMI. The 60 GB machine has additionally memory card slots on it, which are great for archiving photo and other content. But the 20 GB machine has USB ports so you can get all the functionality with external devices."

...On Whether the 20 GB PS3 Will Fully Support Blu-Ray

"That seems to be a misunderstanding and I'm happy to clear that up. Both machines have Blue Ray disc as standard. Both machines play Blue Ray disc movies as standard. Both machines will play Blue Ray disc movies as HD. The only difference is that the high end machine uses a more convenient digital interconnect called HDMI which is a digital standard and the 20 GB unit uses HD component which is an analog standard. The picture quality is fantastic."

"The end user will not notice any quality difference. Perhaps if you were projecting onto a gi-normous screen you might notice some difference, but also not every HD display has HDMI. So we're providing a choice to the consumer."

"Both versions will support 1080p."

...On PS3 Game Prices

"We've not announced the [PS3 game] pricing yet. Clearly we will wait until closer to launch until we announce the catalog and lineup of titles."
...On the New PS3 Controller

Nobody in the world picked that [original PS3 boomerang] controller up and held it in their hands. . . . [that's because] it was always a design concept.

"As you will remember when we showed the [boomerang] controller last year every photograph showed the comment 'This is a design concept subject to change.' Nobody in the world picked that controller up and held it in their hands -- nobody did -- because it was always under glass. But everybody formed an opinion based on what it looked like."

"[The PS3 boomerang controller] was always a design concept. If you look at our controller design R&D group in Japan since 1994, in an area of their office they probably have hundreds of design concepts for controllers and [the boomerang] is just one of them."
...On the PS3 Controller's Wii-Like Motion Sensor
PS3 mastermind Ken Kutaragi shows off the redesigned PS3 controller

PS3 mastermind Ken Kutaragi shows off the redesigned PS3 controller

"As mentioned, this R&D group in Japan is constantly looking at innovation in both useability, technology, and various other sensing devices and what happens is they will invent something or plan something but it can't be built because of cost reasons or supply reasons. Obviously when we make a controller we have to sell over 100 million of them so we have to make sure we have sufficient quantity of them in order to ramp up."

"I think what happened was the evolution of sensing technology was getting high enough volume in manufacture and low enough in price that we could adopt it in our controller. Now clearly we were not the only ones who thought this at the same time. But that's fine. That's natural."

"That's what technology innovation is about, but I think where we have an advantage is that shape of a controller like the PS2 controller has become like an industry standard. There's like 370 million [PlayStation controllers] around the world so that by maintaining the primary man-machine interface as something that is very familiar we have a lot of benefits to the gameplay because not only do you have the controller you're familiar with but now have additional motion."
The new PS3 controller has softer, more trigger-like R2 and L2 buttons

The new PS3 controller has softer, more trigger-like R2 and L2 buttons

"We can now do with this controller what human beings do anyway which is move the controller around when they play games. So now as a game designer we can take that additional [motion-sensing] input and add it to the game experience either in a very obvious way or in a very subtle way. And we're now experimenting with various ways to do this."

...On Backwards Compatibility

[The PS3 will have] almost perfect backwards compatibility. There will be some exceptions, but we believe those will be even less than we saw from PSOne to PS2.

"Backwards compatibility, as you know from PlayStation One and PlayStation 2, is a core value of what we believe we should offer. And access to the library of content people have created, bought for themselves, and accumulated over the years is necessary to create a format. PlayStation is a format meaning that it transcends many devices -- PSOne, PS2, and now PS3."

"If the developer wrote the game according to our technical requirements checklist, we will have what we believe will be almost perfect backwards compatibility. There will be some exceptions, there always are, but we believe those will be very few and far between. Even less so than we saw from PSOne to PS2."
...On Microsoft's Difficulties with Xbox 360 Backward Compatibility

"I don't believe that was backwards compatibility."
...On the Importance of the PS3's Hard Drive
The standard hard drive allows for downloadable content, but also better graphics -- just look at Heavenly Sword

The standard hard drive allows for downloadable content, but also better graphics -- just look at Heavenly Sword

"We know that the future of gaming is in a network era, and we have to have a writeable format. We have to have a format were users can purchase and download online and the only way to do that is with a hard disc drive."

"The 60 gig capacity is not only to download but to archive locally. The 60 gig solution will be attractive to users who want to PS3 as their primary music players, like me. I will put my entire music collection onto my PlayStation 3. I will archive all of my photos onto my PlayStation 3. It seems like a really insignificant feature but being able to simply slideshow your photos on your tv is actually a really compelling feature of PlayStation 3."

"And over time, downloading HD content -- whether it be TV content, film content -- clearly needs a lot of hard drive space."
...On the PS3's PSP Support
The 60 GB model will support Memory Sticks, which helps bridge content from the PS3 to the PSP

The 60 GB model will support Memory Sticks, which helps bridge content from the PS3 to the PSP

"With the PSP you've seen that, over time, the operating system has been upgraded to include many new features and functionalities and capabilities and we will do the same regarding the PS3. We will see the two devices become much more interoperable both at a media level, allowing content from one to the other, and at the applications level, where games for the PS3 will have a PSP component and vice versa. We demonstrated at the press conference one example of this where the PSP serves as a wing mirror for a driving game, a Formula One game."

"That was not intended to be a gimmick, but a feature we will add to the PS3 version so that when you play the PS3 version you can gameshare from the PS3 to the PSP the program required to do that. That will be a free of charge component that we ship on the PS3."
...On Memory Stick Support

"The PlayStation 3 60 GB version has Memory Stick slots and you can use Memory Stick as a support mechanism between the PSP and PS3."
 
He makes the 20GB package make more sense than I thought it did at first though the 60BH pack stil appeals to mefar more, he also get's rid of many of thoes anti-PS3 people creating anti-PS3 rumours for the sake of it.
 
Well, very interesting. I like how everyone at Sony likes to pick on Peter Moore, but then again, he makes fun of them a lot as well...

I'm getting the feeling more and more that it will be a very bloody fight between Sony and Microsoft, leaving Nintendo to do as they please. That might be a very good opertunity for them to steal some market share, and finially get back to where they once were with the SNES.
 
Everyone has a go at everyone else in this business, though neither Sony or MS have had a go at Nintendo, Nintendo have had sneaky jabs at MS and Sony. MS and Sony are constantly at each other's throats in the console war.
 
YSSMAN
That might be a very good opertunity for them to steal some market share, and finially get back to where they once were with the SNES.

Where would this opportunity come from both sides filing bankruptcy?
 
...While the two are at eachother's throats, trying to one up eachother with technology, Nintendo undercuts them by making better games and selling cheaper consoles at the same time...
 
Tha_con missed part 2 and 3....

I dont think Wii needs better games to out sell the other 2, just a lower price. too many nintendo fans and poor people out there...
 
Hmmm, I now wonder if the 60GB version will support component connection at all. It didn't sound like it did. Does this version have multi out? I need to see some specs for the two new PS3s. Has anyone seen any? I need to update the PS3 thread with it.
 
Mr Deap
How much time it will take for Bill Gate to go Bankrupt?

I dont know but thats the only way Nintendo could take the industry 👍

Bill gates would retire before doing that. Or at least MS would sell the gaming division.
 
Solid Lifters
Hmmm, I now wonder if the 60GB version will support component connection at all. It didn't sound like it did. Does this version have multi out? I need to see some specs for the two new PS3s. Has anyone seen any? I need to update the PS3 thread with it.

Multi out is just like PS2, where the connection in the back supports Composite, S-Video, and Component.

Then there's HDMI included as well.
 
tha_con
"Both versions will support 1080p."
Correct, sort of. They might both SUPPORT it, but they both won't output it. The 60GB version is fine with its HDMI output. But the 20GB with only component output is the one that will have problems with "FULL" functionality.

Component cables will transmit a 1080p signal just fine, that isn't the problem. But, getting a TV to ACCEPT it over component is the problem. Because of all the new push for HDCP, many TVs don't support 1080p over component. And almost all HD source players won't output it either. Component video is analog, and much harder to control, so Hollywood hates it. Thats why you very, VERY rarely ever see it. With HDMI/DVI being digital, its so much easier for them to copy-protect the content.

So, even if you somehow have a display that accepts 1080p over component, if you try and watch a Blu-Ray movie in 1080p HD from the PS3 drive, you'll just end up with it scaling it down to 1080i to send over the component cables. Games will be fine, since they won't be copy protected like that. So, if all you're really concerned about support with the 1080p in games, don't worry. But even then, finding a display that accepts 1080p over component is next to impossible So, I don't really consider it "FULL SUPPORT" for 1080p if one version won't do it for everything.

Hilg
 
JNasty4G63
Correct, sort of. They might both SUPPORT it, but they both won't output it. The 60GB version is fine with its HDMI output. But the 20GB with only component output is the one that will have problems with "FULL" functionality.
Yes, they both support 1080p and both will output it (Notice: Only component Y, Pb, Pr will output 1080p, component Y, Cb, Cr wont). But, you are correct about problems with component connecting to a HDTV that will display it. And you know what? So will HDMI. No joke. Most HDTV sets that have HDMI still wont work with 1080p even if the set is rated for it. I speak the truth, so just trust me on that.

Component cables will transmit a 1080p signal just fine, that isn't the problem. But, getting a TV to ACCEPT it over component is the problem. Because of all the new push for HDCP, many TVs don't support 1080p over component. And almost all HD source players won't output it either. Component video is analog, and much harder to control, so Hollywood hates it. Thats why you very, VERY rarely ever see it. With HDMI/DVI being digital, its so much easier for them to copy-protect the content.
Like I said above, HDMI inputs on a 1080p HDTV set might not work either. But, future HDTV sets will most likely work just fine with both HDMI and Component 1080p.

And Hollywood isn't too concerned about Component outputs either. Most studios have gotten rid of ICT, and only one studio will use it. But, that might change. And thanks to the great copy-protect features of BD, the studios have had their fears reduced somewhat, which is why they're easing a bit on the ICT issue.

So, even if you somehow have a display that accepts 1080p over component, if you try and watch a Blu-Ray movie in 1080p HD from the PS3 drive, you'll just end up with it scaling it down to 1080i to send over the component cables. Games will be fine, since they won't be copy protected like that. So, if all you're really concerned about support with the 1080p in games, don't worry. But even then, finding a display that accepts 1080p over component is next to impossible So, I don't really consider it "FULL SUPPORT" for 1080p if one version won't do it for everything.

Again, and the truth can be said about HDMI. But, future HDTV sets will have things running they way they should. Right now, it's a crap shoot if you can get 1080p support on a 1080p HDTV set via HDMI. It needs to be HDMI version 1.3. Most are 1.2, and have problems supporting 1080p.

tha_con
Multi out is just like PS2, where the connection in the back supports Composite, S-Video, and Component.

Then there's HDMI included as well.

Yes, tc, I know multi out supports HDTV component out. But, I wanted to know if both PS3s will have it. And, they both will, so I'm fine.
 
I guess local radio station DJ(a rock station. :rolleyes: they should just keep their mouth shut) here was claiming that $499 PS3 doesn't come with Blu-ray technology. Few kids at work were actually freaking out. :lol:

Since I have an older 1080i TV with just component hook up, I can only go with the $499 version. Not that I can afford one near the release anyway. :D
 
a6m5
I guess local radio station DJ(a rock station. :rolleyes: they should just keep their mouth shut) here was claiming that $499 PS3 doesn't come with Blu-ray technology. Few kids at work were actually freaking out. :lol:

Since I have an older 1080i TV with just component hook up, I can only go with the $499 version. Not that I can afford one near the release anyway. :D

Not really. Both PS3 units will have video multi out, which of course supports HD up to 1080p, or i at least. We're fine with games and movies so long both don't use ICT.
 

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Solid: What's an ICT?
Image Constraint Token. It's what blocks or downrez HD to 960 x 540. It's software and hardware based. It's in HD-DVD and BD and all components like receivers and HDTV sets. Try the search function and my name for more detailed info. I talked about it before.
 
I hear ya Solid, and I don't argue those points. But, I'm not really talking about what the display might do with a 1080p signal. There are many different ways of getting 1080p, and displaying it, that we don't need to get into here. The display isn't my issue here.

But, for the sake of arguement here, lets say you have a new 1080p LCD-FP display that has full 1080p support. Even though the display might accept and be able to produce a full 1080p image, if you are running component from the PS3, it won't be sending a 1080p signal. It will be down-grading to 1080i. Just like all the new Blu-Ray players coming out, they all only output 1080p by using HDMI/DVI.

Now, this isn't as bad as the whole "ICT" debacle sounded like it was going to be originally. But, unless things change, it looks like the only way you'll be getting full 1080p output from the PS3 is with the 60GB/HDMI version. Component cables are fully capable of sending the signal, and many displays are now fully capable of accepting and showing it. But, unless something changes, most hardware will only be sending 1080p in the digital realm, and that means HDMI/DVI.

Hilg
 
JNasty4G63
I hear ya Solid, and I don't argue those points. But, I'm not really talking about what the display might do with a 1080p signal. There are many different ways of getting 1080p, and displaying it, that we don't need to get into here. The display isn't my issue here.

But, for the sake of arguement here, lets say you have a new 1080p LCD-FP display that has full 1080p support. Even though the display might accept and be able to produce a full 1080p image, if you are running component from the PS3, it won't be sending a 1080p signal. It will be down-grading to 1080i. Just like all the new Blu-Ray players coming out, they all only output 1080p by using HDMI/DVI.

Now, this isn't as bad as the whole "ICT" debacle sounded like it was going to be originally. But, unless things change, it looks like the only way you'll be getting full 1080p output from the PS3 is with the 60GB/HDMI version. Component cables are fully capable of sending the signal, and many displays are now fully capable of accepting and showing it. But, unless something changes, most hardware will only be sending 1080p in the digital realm, and that means HDMI/DVI.

Hilg

OK, I hear ya. BD has progressive output turned off (or not supported) for component, or is Y, Cb, Cr only.
 
And really, this isn't much of an issue. There are so few sets that actually accept a 1080p signal over component, its not a big deal. If you have an older set with no HDMI, you'll just be using it in it's native 720p/1080i from component anyway, so the "Non-HDMI" thing is really no big deal. But, it just sucks when they say it will do 1080p, when they know full well that no one will be doing anything 1080p with just component output.

So, if you do have, or plan to get a full 1080p set for the PS3, you'll really want to get the 60GB/HDMI version. But, if you have, or are getting a 720p/1080i set, you'll be fine with just the 20GB/non-HDMI version.

Hilg
 
My HDTV set is very old, and only supports iLink as a digital connection. Ha-ha.

I'll be getting a new HDTV set, I have it out for a SED with Cell chip, once they hit the market. I just might get it before the release of the PS3, but it might be after. No doubt, it will have several HDMI 1.3 inputs on it, or I wont get it.
 
Solid Lifters
I have it out for a SED with Cell chip, once they hit the market. I just might get it before the release of the PS3, but it might be after.
I don't think SED sets are coming out until next summer at the soonest, so either you're going to be waiting a bit, or getting a different set. They do look to be great sets, on paper. But, when and if they show up is the question.

My set isn't really new either. Its a 50" Sony LCD-RP set thats almost 2 years old. Its a far cry from many new sets. But, even a mildly old HDTV set looks good with HDTV material. And, the 360 looks great on it. I'm currently shopping 1080p LCD-FP sets. But, until I see something drop-dead awesome, I'm very content.

Hilg
 
Toshiba SED Cell chip HDTV sets are coming end of May, early June.

However, I haven't heard much word about them since January.
 
I'm not entirely too sure what you all are talking about (drunk) but, I do know that Component cables are capable of 1080p, so I'm not sure where the debate is coming from, the only possibility of any output not being 1080p is with movies, games are fully capable component, or HDMI.
 
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