Is GT Sport the future of Gran Turismo?

[queleuleu]

There will be a full fledged GT7

Honest question. Manpower, time and money are limited. You have to make a choice between modeling two cars.
1. one of the newest supercar, like a Mclaren, Lamborghini, Ferrari...
2. an everyday type of car. Nothing special, it's not even the sport version. But these cars used to be the essence of GT.

 

[poumpoum]

I won't mind that at all, as long as there's a GT mode of some sort...

For me the Sport Mode needs some improvements (career / work your way up feeling is missing for now) and then it could be the new GT mode.

Honestly I don't think they will work on AI especially now we can play against real drivers with a fair matchmaking. I hope for a GTS 2

 

[Cerebral303]

There has been a pattern of 2 main series GT games per console, with the first establishing the base code, physics engine and graphics, and the second adding minor tweaks, a boatload more cars and tracks and arriving at the tail end of the console generation. Because more cars are being added all the time we probably won't see such a big increase from GTS->GT7.

Aside from that I expect much the same with GT7 a good year or more away (2020?) due to next years FIA season, and the possibility of a PS5 from 2020 onwards so we can all wish it was on that instead.

What is the chance that PD knock out a boatload of upres PS3 models to bulk out the car count for GT7? Would satisfy the people who just want certain cars and will allow the two games to hit different audiences.

 

[Pigems]

For me the Sport Mode needs some improvements (career / work your way up feeling is missing for now) and then it could be the new GT mode.

Honestly I don't think they will work on AI especially now we can play against real drivers with a fair matchmaking. I hope for a GTS 2

It technically does have a work your way up feeling/career, it’s just that everyone’s ceiling is different so not everyone reaches the top.



I haven’t done a single offline race since I started playing Sport mode. Why would I want to race against AI when I can race against real people in real time. It’s sooo much more satisfying to compete against real players, especially when you win one. I haven’t even gotten into the FIA events yet, I can’t wait to start competing in those soon.

 

[deficere]

I dont see the title of GT7 coming back anytime soon, I read somewhere that the reason sport wasnt called 'GT7' was because they wanted a new name to go with the new direction they wish to take the game. I feel going back to a GT7,8,9 ect naming would be a backwards step. I feel like they might run with the sport naming for awhile but bring in more single player, but still with online esport the front and centre.
I would like to see a more progression based single player game along side sports style online in the next title. something like pc2's single player where you start in carts or mx5's or something and work your way through to lmp1 or f1 type.

As long and deep forest and trail mountain are tracks in the game im happy.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

Good old GT with the CaRPG system will come back,but GT Sport is the future of GT on the multiplayer side.

Again, that's something I'm cool with. It's not beyond the scope of modern games developers to have a two-sided coin even in a game as big as GT. In the early years they had Arcade Mode & Gran Turismo Mode, I only hope that we'll soon see something like GT eSport & Gran Turismo Classic Mode within the same game...

 

[hardvibes]

Hope not.
Gran Turismo needs a good career mode and GT Auto back. And tuning shop. Not this stupid performance enhancer with mileage points.

 

[ElevenSeven]

This thread interested me because I was a hard sell on Sport at first, I was a fan of the old GTs, namely 3 and 5. I mainly bought them to gawk at the cars and mess around "racing", only caring about going fast enough to beat the AI so I could buy the next fanciest car. Sport seemed like a big departure and not one I was ready for. In a moment of weakness I bought Sport on a good sale, and as someone who had gotten into Paragon, Rocket League, and Siege since messing around in GT5, Sport has had one of the most compelling competitive sides to it I have played in some time. It has the most tangible benchmarks of performance of all those games, and while winning/losing is a very binary state in most competitive games, I can be pleased with a finish most anywhere in the grid if I gained several positions or beat out an evenly matched opponent on track.

As someone who was skeptical of Sport mode I think it's truly something special, probably closer to Kaz's original vision for the series than any of the prior main games, memorable as they were. So yes, I think Sport Mode is essential to the series moving forward even if future installments do expand on the traditional GT mode experience, because let's face it, Sport will always be a spinoff game if we can't wash our cars.

 

[TokoTurismo]

I rather not. If GT7 was worth to thrown to the side in favor of GTS 2, than I don't see myself ever coming back to the GT series afterwards. GT6 was the last straw, and I given GTS a chance because people were praising it. It's good and fun don't get me wrong, but to me it's missing that traditional feel I remember so greatly.

For GT7 I want everything that made GT famous, while...I guess..keeping the esport formula for the online side, but not as a structure for the whole game as the first. I certainly don't want Forza being the only CARRPG in the genre with customization and sorts. I hope PD makes the right decision and makes GT7 for old time fans like me.

 

[Clean Racer]

Now, i'll explain what i always wanted GT to evolve into.
I've been fascinated ever since i played my first MMORPG by the idea of a persistent online GT world of player, grinding from the humble kei car races up to the LM cars, selling each other parts(we want tuning back!), services (setups, personalized liveries, imagine giving your car to another player and wait for him to be done with the requested paintjob...), taking part to auctions etc, all supported by a clever economy system...kinda like a second life, but less stupid and 100% revolving around motorsport^^. I would love to get my twin turbo 1988Supra to the flea market to shop for parts, striking a deal on that muffler i was looking for and maybe sell those Nissan March parts i was keeping in the trunk, just in case i could find a buyer...
Hell, i would even use the typical NORTH SOUTH WEST EAST CITY map from good 'ol GT2 ^^
i know some ideas are very naive(online game's economies are very easily exploitable for real life profit and it would be a mess to mantain the server infrastructures of such title) and this is basically the wet dream of every gamer for any genre of videogame, but it would be pretty amazing to turn that solo grind (wich would be still cool and viable) into an online experience where my cr*p is somebody else's fortune and vice versa.

You should play Ford's Horizon 4. It's what you just described.

 

[darioL]

You should play Ford's Horizon 4. It's what you just described.

Ahahahah i never played an horizon game, but while I was typing i realized that what I was describing sounded very similar to how ppl describe FH

 

[Nielsen]

I think GT7 will eventually happen but with an emphasis online multiplayer and e-sport. It's my theory that all the free content updates for GT Sport at this point are GT7 development that PD has no reason not to preview in GT Sport. I'm thinking so because the GT Sport foundation is barely evolving beyond the monthly DLC. It used to feel like an evolving platform, but lately not much has been happening in-game aside from more tracks, layouts, cars and events. This increasingly static direction has "next game preparation behind the scenes" written all over it, but I may be wrong.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

but I may be wrong.

I'm hoping you're right

 

[Auditore]

Again, that's something I'm cool with. It's not beyond the scope of modern games developers to have a two-sided coin even in a game as big as GT. In the early years they had Arcade Mode & Gran Turismo Mode, I only hope that we'll soon see something like GT eSport & Gran Turismo Classic Mode within the same game...

Kaz already said next GT will have a traditional campaign,it's basically confirmed,it's just that PD found what works for online and they will keep Sport mode for the future,there won't be a GT Sport 2 just a GT7 with online mode similar to GT Sport,and the live events will continue.

 

[Cerebral303]

Sport has had one of the most compelling competitive sides to it I have played in some time. It has the most tangible benchmarks of performance of all those games, and while winning/losing is a very binary state in most competitive games, I can be pleased with a finish most anywhere in the grid if I gained several positions or beat out an evenly matched opponent on track.

This post made me go and do race C again, and precisely this happened. Started one from the back, ended up 14th after a close battle all first lap, and on the second managed to hook up riding the kerbs with the throttle throwing it from corner to corner keeping the exit speed high and put an 8 second gap between me and the orange Porsche that was always a threat in the first half.

 

[MisterWaffles]

I feel like it's pretty obvious which type of game we'll get on the PS5. Just look at the kinds of cars they're "overspecing" for the PS5. Road cars primarily.

I think the next GT game will be called GT8 and will feature lessons learned from Sport Mode in that game's online portion.

Also, I'm saying GT8 because Gran Turismo has lost all its ground to Forza for numbered series entries lately.

 

[Lord Protector]

Honest question. Manpower, time and money are limited. You have to make a choice between modeling two cars.
1. one of the newest supercar, like a Mclaren, Lamborghini, Ferrari...
2. an everyday type of car. Nothing special, it's not even the sport version. But these cars used to be the essence of GT.

A mixture of both?

 

[Scuderia Paul]

The esports aspect of Gran Turismo is here to stay. It is the way the industry has gone and it had been hugely successful for the series. I assume the Sport Mode will be carried over in it's entirety to the next game which will also have a fully fledged GT League offering.

 

[SjefGielen]

IMHO the next Gran Turismo should be a combination of the best of both worlds, being the offline carreer and the online world.
My ideal GT would offer the traditional GT thingies like the huge career, second hand car market, GT auto, tuning etc, but everything would be online, so you buy cars from and sell your used cars to other players, after you bought your first cheap-and-slow groceries car you take it to a track day to see how the ride is and decide what things you want to swap or tune to make it drive at an acceptable level, the system can then somehow predict your driving abilities and sportmanship for matchmakeing, then you enter the only race you can enter: the Sunday Cup against other online players.

Beep-Beep-Beep-Beep

...

Darn it, I was dreaming of the ideal GT again, but I will keep on dreaming and hoping until it's here.

 

[FitzyWATP]

I think we'll see both

GT 7 and GTS 2

Sport 2 may even be an distinct extension which requires the GT 7 base engine.

 

[MidFieldMaven]

I feel like everyone 30-35+ prefers GT1-6 while everyone under 25-30 prefers GTS. It has a lot to do with what you grew up with. I didn't have a cell phone until I was 17. Social media didn't exist until I was basically done with high school. People who were raised online prefer online games. It's that simple.

 

[AlanH49]

I feel like it's pretty obvious which type of game we'll get on the PS5. Just look at the kinds of cars they're "overspecing" for the PS5. Road cars primarily.

I think the next GT game will be called GT8 and will feature lessons learned from Sport Mode in that game's online portion.

Also, I'm saying GT8 because Gran Turismo has lost all its ground to Forza for numbered series entries lately.

The ‘GT World’ leaked name has credence as I imagine we’ll now only get one GT per generation. PD seem to be lining up to get the next title out in PS5’s launch window (2020). It’s obvious the increased road car line-up is with a view to a CaRPG mode. Alongside tuning it would allow the return of a traditional single-player campaign. Of course GT Sport’s online mode will return as it’s now the industry leader. Even it’s biggest critics seem converts. The e-sport aspect has the potential to be huge.

 

[GTPVenomZombie]

I feel like everyone 30-35+ prefers GT1-6 while everyone under 25-30 prefers GTS. It has a lot to do with what you grew up with. I didn't have a cell phone until I was 17. Social media didn't exist until I was basically done with high school. People who were raised online prefer online games. It's that simple.

I’m 18 and I prefer GT1 - GT6. Gran Turismo 3 was my favourite GT game. GT Sport is beautiful though, the game is stunning with the amount of detail put into it.

 

[watto79]

I feel like everyone 30-35+ prefers GT1-6 while everyone under 25-30 prefers GTS. It has a lot to do with what you grew up with. I didn't have a cell phone until I was 17. Social media didn't exist until I was basically done with high school. People who were raised online prefer online games. It's that simple.

I'm 39 and prefer GT Sport. I certainly loved the early GT games but was starting to feel it was essentially the same game each time with shinier graphics and a few new events. I basically have no interest in another traditional GT game. GT Sport provides a level of excitement to me I've not had in any other racing game.

Maybe I'm an exception. Who knows.

 

[queleuleu]

A mixture of both?

If only...
A premium Mclaren 675lt or a premium Peugeot 106?

 

[Lebowski]

I feel like everyone 30-35+ prefers GT1-6 while everyone under 25-30 prefers GTS. It has a lot to do with what you grew up with. I didn't have a cell phone until I was 17. Social media didn't exist until I was basically done with high school. People who were raised online prefer online games. It's that simple.

I'm 43 and i would pick GTS all day without fail and im a day one GT1 veteran! Its largely to do with the online experiance, how its so closely run with the FIA, the lack of the so called holy trinity of old circuits and the rest of the old originals for that matter and the overall structure that makes you work for your rewards rather than handing out cars for every event and huge credit rewards.
Also, i recall reading quite some time back an interview with Kaz and he stated something on the lines of GT1 to 6 can be looked upon as chapter 1, a chapter that is now closed. GT Sport is the beginning of chapter 2. In other words, there will NOT be a GT7. Get used to it!!

 

[Cerebral303]

Maybe I'm an exception. Who knows.

I'm the same. Not into online games, but this has clicked for me. I didn't realise it but I was becoming less interested in GT games and spent less time on GT5&6 combined than any other game in the series previously.

 

[redhed17]

Honest question. Manpower, time and money are limited.

Is money really limited? They have sold a few copies of the game.

 

[simsimsheree]

I think GTS is a bastard stepchild of the franchise, stuck in a limbo between an esports mode that even the FIA acknowledge cannot fairly adjudicate contact and fair racing etiquette (by virtue of having live stewards for the Finals rather than allowing the auto-stewards to show their ineptitude on national TV), and an offline mode that still suffers from the worst, slowest AI in the business.

Without addressing both sides of this conundrum can the franchise progress..?

But which is the harder issue to fix? For me, having seen it fixed on other games, I'd say the AI.

AC and PC2 both have AI modes FAR faster than GTS's Professional, enough to make offline competition as tough if not tougher than the esports model, and generally a whole lot cleaner! This is the magic bullet to turn GT's Arcade and Career Mode into something acceptable to even fairly alien drivers. I'm usually pretty content with racing the AI in AC and PC2, but rarely happy with Sport Mode's bump and grind approach and find GTS's AI an utter joke until you nerf your car a good 2-3 tire grades and drop the HP!

I know PD want to appear cutting edge, but GTS's Sport Mode has been little progress compared to GT6's Quick Race. Over a decade, PD worked out what worked best in an online capable game. Leave the clean racing to leagues and clean rooms online, and concentrate on tons of content for the offline racer (who, going from Kudos's stats, are the vast majority of players). IMHO, the only thing PD needed to improve from GT6 was the AI. TBH, if they were up to PC2/AC's level, I'd still be playing GT6...

 

[V4.SKUNK]

GT Sport is just the prologue for GT7.
Just as barebones as the other GT Prologue and Concept games.