Is it just me...

[Vol Jbolaz]

Ask any RL Motorsport team if 7bhp is worth it!

Ask them about their budget.

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Ask them about their budget.

Even at LeMons they'll do everything they can for a few extra horsepower.

And by LeMons I do NOT mean LeMans.

 

[Adrenaline]

Ask them about their budget.

I feel like this stand point is counter-intuitive of your initial post...

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

I feel like this stand point is counter-intuitive of your initial post...

I'm not sure how.

If I'm understanding you correctly, then why did anyone even bother building and selling GT350 Mustang when there were plans for a GT500. Why even bother with a 911, when you can get a 911 GT3.

It is all about price point.

Yes, in GT5 there is no economy. Everything is basically free. But I still don't understanding spending disproportionately more for small improvements on paper that likely don't equate to improvements in lap time.

Really though, this thread is kind of lived beyond its usefulness. There are others that agree with me. As long as I'm not the only one, I'm happy. There isn't really a right or wrong.

 

[Adrenaline]

Does every single part really help the car? Is that last little 7 horse power on a car that already has 600 going to improve your lap times?

Ask any RL Motorsport team if 7bhp is worth it!

Ask them about their budget.

...in GT5 there is no economy. Everything is basically free. But I still don't understanding spending disproportionately more for small improvements...

I feel like this stand point is counter-intuitive of your initial post...

I'm not sure how.

Even when isolated like this?

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

A real life motorsports team isn't going to spend a disproportionate amount of money for what is only 1% more horsepower if they don't have it. Particularly if it doesn't improve lap time.

 

[Adrenaline]

You're not following and I don't care enough.
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[Johnnypenso]

A real life motorsports team isn't going to spend a disproportionate amount of money for what is only 1% more horsepower if they don't have it. Particularly if it doesn't improve lap time.

Hmmm...aren't we talking about GT5...not real life? In GT5 I do whatever I want to make the car faster because there are no budget limitations...I don't care what real life teams do...lol.

 

[Motor City Hami]

A real life motorsports team isn't going to spend a disproportionate amount of money for what is only 1% more horsepower if they don't have it. Particularly if it doesn't improve lap time.

Hmmm... why did I just spend all that money on my real race car? I'm hoping for an increase of HP from 118 to around 120-122 hp. That's how short I am to the top cars. Cost ??? somewhere in the $2,000 to $7,000 range, depending on what it takes to get there.

An additional 1% is worth an additional 0.9 seconds on a track with 1:30 lap times. At the end of a 20 lap race, that's an 18 second lead. Sounds worth it to me.

 

[Vol Jbolaz]

A real life motorsports team isn't going to spend a disproportionate amount of money for what is only 1% more horsepower if they don't have it. Particularly if it doesn't improve lap time.

Now, aside from that, this is such a dead horse. I think really this horse just underscores a difference in culture. I am not a console gamer. I play GT5 and that is it. I'm a PC and tabletop gamer (and I'm also probably over the median age for GTPlanet).

I have a Golf GTi in my garage that cost 179,700 Cr. It is fun to drive, don't get me wrong. But I have a 207 GTi that is faster, and it only cost 118,450 Cr. That seems to me a point of pride. This car is faster, and costs less.

It also is still a Peugeot. I didn't re-invent an extreme sports car. I didn't spend so much on it that I would've been more sensible to just buy a Ferrari.

I understand, there is no economy in GT5 (unlike Eve Online, for example). Still, I get no pleasure from using brute force to solve a problem. It is just a game. If it can't be done with any style, then it shouldn't be done at all.

 

[watermelon punch]

I do wonder though, will a car with 50% engine limiting be competitive with a car with 10% engine limiting down to the same PP level?
It is my understanding that too much limiting is a bad thing.

The short answer to that is - it depends upon the car. If the car is in a one make race... The car with the limiter set at the "sweet spot" to achieve a given hp/pp, will perform best.
Different cars will perform at their own best, at different limits. (How they will be compared with other models with their own best limits, is rather more complicated, and rather irrelevant for this discussion.)

The long answer is... not something I really understand fully. But it has to do with how the graph looks, where your foot pounds are, and the RPMs involved. It's complicated, and involves math. So I really don't fuss with trying to figure that stuff out.
I just go by what works.
In my experience... and I generally do not run totally maxed out cars running at their top possible HP - because generally that tears away all the nice things about a car, and introduces a ton more flaws that you have to jump through hoops with extreme settings, in order to dial out.
But my experience is, that the lower the hp the car, the more you can limit & get the best results. I have some kei cars limited around 60%, for 98hp, and I've done extensive testing, adding & taking off parts, limiting at different %, and it truly does perform best on the tracks I've used them on, at a rather extreme power limiter %. (Again, this could totally have something to do with the tracks I'm tuning these cars for.)
In the 150-200hp range, limiting more than 70%, yes, would probably start doing undesirable things to your torque/power graph & RPM ranges & such. And as you go up in power, the limiting "sweet spot" may be a higher percentage.
But again, it depends on the car. And I have no experience tuning top hp cars myself. If I'm going to use a car that has more than 400hp, I generally wind up in the tuning section, looking for something ready-made, & then I try it and hope for the best.
But in my experience, everything depends on the car. Even within types or classes - there's always outliers.
Sadly in this game there are no sweeping rules to be applied to tuning, and no generalizations you can make, hands down, to apply all the time.
You can't even say this will do this - all the time. Because it doesn't! It may depend on the car - or the other settings, or the track, or the restriction you're working with, or maybe who's driving the car... it's way too complicated to just have some easy answer like "limiting more than 80% is always bad for a car". Because my Copen would prove otherwise to you. As would some of my other cars.