Is the Honda Odyssey the biggest car on GT4?

[Venomwraith]

even though the tank car is huge, it is a Special car , i'd have to say that the dodge hemi Quad cab is bigger than the oddessey when you buy it it crowds the screen on the purchase comfirmation screen

 

[GT40 MKII]

well i was thinking of the largest car period

 

[Fat Boy Drifter]

I think the escudo is pretty big.

 

[Luca]

On the subject of non-FF minivans, there are a lot of MR cargo vans here in China (I've been living here for about a month). You know the Toyota Previa, Toyota's old minivan from before the Sienna? That one has an MR layout. Of course, the engine is mid-front, not mid-rear, but it was RWD. Almost all of the tiny cargo vans I see here also use the MR layout and really just look like tiny Previas.

If you want to go WAY back, the old VW Bus was RR, and it was sort of a minivan as well.

Oh, on the subject of relative car sizes, I've seen a few of the Asian version of the Odyssey here in China and really they look to be about the same size as the North American version except not as tall. They're really not that big - almost more like a large station wagon than a small minivan. They use four regular doors as well, not sliding doors like a typical minivan.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

I was more referring to 'maximum possible volume', IE multiplying the maximum length by the maximum width by the maximum height. I know no car's actual volume comes anywhere near to this 'maximum volume' result, as it would have to be a flawless box to those measurements, but I think that gives us a fairly near impression of which cars are larger and which are not.
(This, of course, doesn't favour the extremely low-riding AU Type-C Streamliner )

Actually you might be surprised. Its great length help disguise its height, which is even taller than the NSX race cars. For instance, both the Auto Union and Falcon would have about 12.5 cubic meters of volume.... but you could easily argue that the Auto Union has a more uniform height, and less bottom clearence, and so in reality it likely has more volume then the Falcon. In either case, both would have a significantly larger volume than the Panoz.

Interestingly, the race car in GT4 that may have the most volume based on fixed length x width x height measurements is actually the Nissan GT-R Concept LM car, which would have a total volume of over 13.5 cubic meters!

In fact, GT4 even gives us this sum on the Car Specifications sheet. Unfortunately, volume isn't really an important measurement and so it's not given, likely because it's not at all easy to measure! We've got to work it out as best we can.

The problem as you and I both pointed out is that cars aren't all boxes with flat surfaces all around. For instance, if you measure a pick-up's volume, like the Dodge RAM 1500, by multiplying the length, width, and height, you get a lot of volume that simply isn't there. The car is "lifted" by a significant amount, and then you have practically half of the length attributted to the low cargo bed.

For that reason, I suppose you could argue that the Land Rover Range Stormer is the "biggest" normal car in the game due to its large boxy body, and it even weighs more that the Dodge.

I understand what you are getting at, but without actual volumetric measurements for each car, we can't really tell which car has the most volume.

Maybe a good compromise is to say which car has the largest "foot print" (length x width)? Which for normal cars would be the Dodge I believe, and for race cars would be the Auto Union, or GT-R LM race car if you don;t want to count the special circumstances of the Auto Union.

That at least eliminates height which lacks the most uniform measurement on a car. There will still be exceptions, like cars with narrow front ends, or cars with extended open wheels.

Of course, to add to the debate, when calculating length and heighth... should one include the tail fin? The Escudo is a great example of this, as it is measured as being the 2nd longest race car behind the Auto Union, but you have to think the tail wing accounts for about 20% of its measured length.

well i was thinking of the largest car period

The problem is that you have to define "largest", and how to measure it accurately?

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Here is what I think are the "largest cars" in GT4, but there may be some larger ones that I haven't found yet, so feel free to update it:

Largest Road Cars (excluding "special cars")

Weight	2029 kg	1998 Mercedes-Benz SL 600 (R129)
Length	5588 mm	1970 Plymouth Super Bird
Width	2060 mm	1994 Cizeta V16T
Height	1790 mm	2003 Honda Element

Largest Trucks/SUVs

Weight	2500 kg	2004 Land Rover Range Stormer Concept
Length	5784 mm	2004 Dodge Ram 1500 LARAMIE Hemi Quad Cab
Width	2029 mm	2004 Dodge Ram 1500 LARAMIE Hemi Quad Cab
Height	1961 mm	2004 Dodge Ram 1500 LARAMIE Hemi Quad Cab

Largest Road Race Cars (excluding the Auto Union V16 Type C Streamline)

Weight	1438 kg	1999 Lister Storm V12		(about 300kg more than the other GT1 cars in GT4)
Length	4970 mm	2000 Ford (AU) Falcon XR8	(Escudo is actually longer, but only if you include that huge tail wing)
Width	2124 mm	2002 Nissan GT-R Concept LM
Height	1525 mm	2003 Spoon Fit			(only 2 Rally cars were higher)

The 2nd widest race car came as a big surprise to me, anyone want to guess what it is?

Largest Rally Cars

Weight	1825 kg	2003 Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution Rally Raid Car
Length	4424 mm	1995 Toyota Celica GT-FOUR Rally Car (ST205)	(Escudo exception noted above)
Width	1994 mm	2003 Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution Rally Raid Car
Height	1890 mm	1985 Mitsubishi Pajero Rally Raid Car

 

[GT-Scorpion--}]

Hey you know the Jagaur XJ220 is pretty wide and long also.

 

[shabba]

The 2nd widest race car came as a big surprise to me, anyone want to guess what it is?

Renault 5 Turbo? Stinking-huge flared wheel arches...

 

[Dark Elite]

Actually you might be surprised. Its great length help disguise its height, which is even taller than the NSX race cars. For instance, both the Auto Union and Falcon would have about 12.5 cubic meters of volume.... but you could easily argue that the Auto Union has a more uniform height, and less bottom clearence, and so in reality it likely has more volume then the Falcon. In either case, both would have a significantly larger volume than the Panoz.

Interesting, I should have researched this. Being taller than the NSX racers isn't a remarkable feat, but even so I expected it to be smaller than that. I might say that the Auto Union has a less uniform height, as the wheelarches add a lot to the height measurement that isn't there elsewhere.

The Range Stormer had escaped my mind, but you could well be right - although it's the biggest in none of the measurements (except weight), it fills them out more so it's actual volume may be the greatest.

Interestingly, the race car in GT4 that may have the most volume based on fixed length x width x height measurements is actually the Nissan GT-R Concept LM car, which would have a total volume of over 13.5 cubic meters!

Had you tried to make it go 300mph, this would not come as a surprise

Of course, to add to the debate, when calculating length and heighth... should one include the tail fin? The Escudo is a great example of this, as it is measured as being the 2nd longest race car behind the Auto Union, but you have to think the tail wing accounts for about 20% of its measured length.

Yes, we must bear in mind that the Suzuki Escudo's length is divided by nine should one not measure the tail fin
Although, it's the only car I can think of that has such an excessive amount of length added by the tail fin - they are mostly within the bodywork length-wise, and only add much height on open cars.

I knew a very useful set of statistics would be coming for us, nice work. This pretty much finalises the debate, unless someone finds a few you may have missed. 👍

As for the second-widest race car... shabba's suggestion seems unlikely to me, the Renault Five's wheelarches are pretty big compared to the rest of it but in the grand scheme of things, I don't think so. That and the fact that it's a rally car
As I've never really thought about this before, my mind's a total blank on this one. Perhaps an LMP1/Group C car? Some of them are pretty wide, as long experience trying to overtake them has taught me!

DE

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

Had you tried to make it go 300mph, this would not come as a surprise

Huh??? 300mph Skyline??? Who would do such a crazy thing?!?! (kidding of course... I do read signatures from time to time after all...)

Yes, we must bear in mind that the Suzuki Escudo's length is divided by nine should one not measure the tail fin

That is one huge fin isn’t it? It looks like it is about a meter long!

Although, it's the only car I can think of that has such an excessive amount of length added by the tail fin - they are mostly within the bodywork length-wise, and only add much height on open cars.

I think you’re right. The only car I could think of that has the tail wing stick out a significant amount was the Escudo. There are a few cars though that the wing is definitely above the rest of the car, but mostly it is the open top cars as you pointed out. For instance, the Toyota 7 is extremely low, but the game lists its height based on the top of the rear wing which looks like it accounts for more than 25% of its height.

I knew a very useful set of statistics would be coming for us, nice work.

I am a bit of a stat fanatic aren't I?

As for the second-widest race car... shabba's suggestion seems unlikely to me, the Renault Five's wheelarches are pretty big compared to the rest of it but in the grand scheme of things, I don't think so. That and the fact that it's a rally car
As I've never really thought about this before, my mind's a total blank on this one. Perhaps an LMP1/Group C car? Some of them are pretty wide, as long experience trying to overtake them has taught me!

I know the feeling!

It is neither the Jag, nor the Renault, nor any of the LMP1/Group C cars… its an older race car…and very low.

 

[jbrennen]

It is neither the Jag, nor the Renault, nor any of the LMP1/Group C cars… its an older race car…and very low.

One of the Chapparals?

 

[Dark Elite]

Huh??? 300mph Skyline??? Who would do such a crazy thing?!?!

I know you know

For instance, the Toyota 7 is extremely low, but the game lists its height based on the top of the rear wing which looks like it accounts for more than 25% of its height.

The Toyota 7 hadn't occured to me (probably because I very rarely drive it or race against it), but that is likely the most wing-affected set of measurements after the Escudo.

I am a bit of a stat fanatic aren't I?

Maybe a little

It is neither the Jag, nor the Renault, nor any of the LMP1/Group C cars… its an older race car…and very low.

In that case, it is the Chaparral 2J 'Fridge'. Or something very obscure

DE

 

[SirBerra]

Glad you mentioned the Odyssey. I'd never noticed it before. It handles pretty nicely for a 4WD vehicle. It does a nice 200 pointer if need be in the 4WD events. I like it. I may try it in Special Conditions for the heck of it.

 

[Barracuda]

about the odyssey i can barely even look at it im not feeling to well and looking at it is actually making me feel worse and its giving me a headache lol.

id have to agree about the dodge truck being atleast one of the biggest. it takes up most of the screen. just imagine if they put hummer in there. not the gay h2 or h3 but the original hummer would be frikin huge.

the escudo has always been one of my favorite cars but the wing does take up the whole frikin screen. do you really need that much downforce. they should have just had a sumo wrestler sit in the back. lol. but without the wing and the extreme amount of fiberglass it wouldn't be big at all.

what i think is that audi suv thing is probably the biggest, but i havent been on gt4 in a while so i have forgotten how big some of the other cars are.

 

[shabba]

Yes, we must bear in mind that the Suzuki Escudo's length is divided by nine should one not measure the tail fin
Although, it's the only car I can think of that has such an excessive amount of length added by the tail fin - they are mostly within the bodywork length-wise, and only add much height on open cars.

The 787B is another one that looks deceptively long because of its fin, but the fin doesn't stick out above the body like the 'scud' (Escudo). I've got a picture of some fellas standing beside a 787B, and it was tiny. Height wise it didn't even come up to their waists. It measures nearly 4.8m long including fin, but has a wheelbase of only 2.6m, and probably only another 50 - 60cm of body length on top of that. that would make its fin at least a quarter of its length...

When the hint of an 'old, low racecar that's not an LMP' came up, I instantly thought of the '67 Ford GT - nicknamed the GT-40 because it is only 40 inches high. At 1778mm it was looking good. Then I found the Merc 300SL coupe comes in at 1790mm. That busted my 40 inch high hunch. So, we keep looking.
Next up came - surprisingly, the Lotus Esprit HC at 1860mm, which was looking on the money. Still, a bit more of a look came up with the 787B (yes) at 1994mm wide. That's only 130mm wider than the Chapparal 2J (1981mm), but 144mm wider than the Streamliner (1950mm).

:deep breath: Then there's the Nissan R390 at 2000mm exactly, trading blows with an equally stout Toyota GT-One (TS020) - also at exactly 2000mm.

Since the LMP cars are excluded (as the clue stated), based on the clue of an old, low race car, and given the fact that I couldn't find any other cars in that width range, I would have to guess that the second widest car would be the '91 Mazda 787B at 1994mm, while the R390 and GT-One tie for first at a whopping 2000mm.

Then again, I could be completely wrong.

 

[Digital-Nitrate]

It is neither the Jag, nor the Renault, nor any of the LMP1/Group C cars… its an older race car…and very low.

In that case, it is the Chaparral 2J 'Fridge'. Or something very obscure

No one picked up my hint

OK, so the 2nd widest race car is of all things, the Toyota 7!


Another surpise for me was how bloody heavy the Lister is! I have never driven it, so that might help explain why I was surprised, but even so, it is well over 25% heavier than the other race cars, and in some cases over 50%! Sure, its a V12.. but it still needs to go on a diet.

 

[xXSilencerXx]

Ford Aerostar and Chevrolet Astro have both been available in both FR and 4WD.

An FR minivan is a good choice if you need a minivan with high towing capacity. The Astro in particular has a 5400 lb. towing capacity.

The Chevy Astro is not a mini-van. It is built on a truck frame not a car chassis ( not sure what you cal it since cars don't really have a frame ). My family had one and they are very good carrying a bunch of people and all kinds of crap. It's almost as good as having a truck.