Is there a "pit glitch" in GT7?

[LSFDRX]

Hey all. A post on the GT7 FB group prompted me to make a quick poll to see if anyone here has ever experienced what a few people are calling a "pit glitch".

There are a couple people stating that they've seen AI cars enter the pits right ahead of them, only to witness the same AI cars exit before they reach the end of the pits. Like the AI cars are doing a "drive-through" stop but evidently at speed.

I've never once seen anything like this, heard anyone mention it, or seen it discussed here, so I took the position of it never happening and boy did some jimmies get rustled! That group does have a fair bit more "novice" players than here on GTP, and there are quite a few threads that one can only roll their eyes at because of how nonsensical they are. A lot of people try to blame the game for all sorts of things that don't make sense, and I'm thinking this it likely the case here too. "AI cheating" is a fairly common trope in there.

So, everyone. Has anyone here ever seen the AI cars fly through the pits and maintain their position?

 

[watto79]

I've seen these claims. I've never seen them backed up with game play footage.

 

[newmedia_dev]

This has never happened to me.

What are tags to search on to watch the race replays, if anything the cars are way more conservative in to the pits than I am.

 

[Famine]

It has been mentioned here quite a few times but, as @watto79 points out, always very loose on the evidence (despite the whole "console records everything" deal). Always transpires that any differences in pit lane time are fuel-related.

 

[LSFDRX]

I used the weekly Gr4 race at Mount Panorama as a baseline this morning. The fastest stop was C. Lopez with a 31.07, and the slowest was T. Yamanaka at 39.95. Some took tires, some didn't (they were using all forms of race tire), and all of them took fuel. Some only took a momentary splash while others took a fair bit more.

What I think is there are races that use the same car more than once (a Gr3 race with 2 911 RSRs for instance) and people are getting confused by potentially seeing one enter and then another exit. That's the only rational explanation I can think of.

 

[Meythia]

That's the only rational explanation I can think of.

I think people just like not admitting not being good and looking for excuses.
Which is why it always is

very loose on the evidence (despite the whole "console records everything" deal)

Because in the end it would simply be like

 

[LSFDRX]

I think people just like not admitting not being good and looking for excuses.
Which is why it always is

This is exactly what's going on I think. The caliber of player differs a LOT between GTP and FB, haha. A lot of the posts there leave a LOT to be desired.

 

[Zero2Oblivion]

I've seen exactly two "bugs" with the pits.

First - my car enters the Bermuda Triangle for around 20-30 seconds when I enter the pits. La Sarthe is a great example of this as you can see the pit lane entry when the camera pans around the pit crew, but my car is no-where to be seen until 20-30 seconds later, when it magically reappears by the pit-crew as it drives in to the pit bay. Although I'm sure we all have this "bug".

Second - I'll often enter the pits minutes ahead, let's say 1:57 ahead on La Sarthe. Do my Bermuda Triangle magic act, take on fresh tires and fuel, and come out ~40 seconds later but still around 1:50 ahead of the bots. Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but this isn't some Christopher Nolan movie with time bending black holes circling the track, making 40 seconds in the pits only equate to 7 seconds on track, so those bot cars should have caught up more.

 

[Famine]

Second - I'll often enter the pits minutes ahead, let's say 1:57 ahead on La Sarthe. Do my Bermuda Triangle magic act, take on fresh tires and fuel, and come out ~40 seconds later but still around 1:50 ahead of the bots. Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but this isn't some Christopher Nolan movie with time bending black holes circling the track, making 40 seconds in the pits only equate to 7 seconds on track, so those bot cars should have caught up more.

They will do - they just haven't passed the last timing minisplit where you were ahead before pitting yet, and won't for another 1:10.

 

[bduddy]

These Facebook groups are the same places where the majority of users can't figure out what "required tire type" means. I would assume that everything they say is completely the opposite of the truth.

 

[jonoholland29]

I've seen exactly two "bugs" with the pits.

First - my car enters the Bermuda Triangle for around 20-30 seconds when I enter the pits. La Sarthe is a great example of this as you can see the pit lane entry when the camera pans around the pit crew, but my car is no-where to be seen until 20-30 seconds later, when it magically reappears by the pit-crew as it drives in to the pit bay. Although I'm sure we all have this "bug".

Second - I'll often enter the pits minutes ahead, let's say 1:57 ahead on La Sarthe. Do my Bermuda Triangle magic act, take on fresh tires and fuel, and come out ~40 seconds later but still around 1:50 ahead of the bots. Now correct me if I'm wrong here, but this isn't some Christopher Nolan movie with time bending black holes circling the track, making 40 seconds in the pits only equate to 7 seconds on track, so those bot cars should have caught up more.

As a timekeeper I regularly have to have these arguments with parents over why their child has suddenly lost time at X Y Z - conveniently forgetting that they’ve gained later.

It’s not helped by the fact that kart tracks have a variety of loop installation locations, meaning that not all laps can have equal measuring points.

In F1 or at least top FIA grade tracks this problem is resolved by making sure that at least the pit entry loop (this is not necessarily the one that updates the timing screens) is usually on the same distance as the finish loop. Even better is when the pit lanes have loops every 10m so it easy to then create a start line in the pits at the same point as the start line on the track. Anyway very boring and slightly off topic but in relation to GT7; I think GT7 does this too but not very well often lumping the pit stop time on the entry lap and having a shorter exit lap.

 

[jackkix]

I’ve never seen AI cars zoom through the pits like that. The few times I thought I did, it turned out to be lag or just a camera glitch.

 

[km666]

I remember thinking AI manages remarkably quick put stops on whatever the long race is on deep forest with that electric car.

 

[Johnny Caisse]

I remember thinking AI manages remarkably quick put stops on whatever the long race is on deep forest with that electric car.

This morning I did the 7-Lapper weekly on Mount Panorama and when the refuelling was over for some reason the screen simply did a black blink and I was already out of the pits. Not sure if that's normal.

 

[Boxster]

Something not mentioned yet: getting a fresh set of tires or not can result in a 5-8 second difference in pit time.
The AI use different tire compounds, those on hard tires will not take a fresh set, while those on softs will.

 

[Meythia]

I remember thinking AI manages remarkably quick put stops on whatever the long race is on deep forest with that electric car.

Yet it doesnt, the AI isnt even particularly good with the electric car (Porsche Taycan).
The only interesting thing about this one is, that an BEV is capable of competing in a mixed race (even raod vs race cars) in GT7.

 

[eran0004]

There is a glitch in the poll options. One of them is about AI pit strategy, which has nothing to do with the question you've asked.

 

[LSFDRX]

There is a glitch in the poll options. One of them is about AI pit strategy, which has nothing to do with the question you've asked.

Did you read the second part and ignore the first? "This has never happened to me" refers to the subject, them being bad at pit strategy is a funny anecdote noting that the AI are usually bad at pitting, not good.

Reading comprehension is important when you're attempting to dig on someone.

 

[jonoholland29]

I mean I don’t understand the poll options so haven’t voted.

I think the pitting procedure is badly done in GT7, however.

 

[eran0004]

Did you read the second part and ignore the first?

No.

"This has never happened to me" refers to the subject

Correct.

, them being bad at pit strategy is a funny anecdote noting that the AI are usually bad at pitting, not good.

Which has nothing to do with the question asked, which is the problem here.

Reading comprehension is important when you're attempting to dig on someone.

It's not a dig at someone, it's a dig at the poll. It may be funny to add a joke like that to the poll but it's inevitably going to skew the results because people who don't agree with the joke may be hesitant to pick an option, or they may be confused about which option to choose. If I agree with the part about never seeing the thing that has been asked about, but I disagree that the AI pit strategy sucks, should I pick the first option or the second? Some people might go for the first, some for the second and others may just ignore the poll altogether. What you end up with is a useless poll because you have no idea how to interpret the results.

 

[daan]

If I agree with the part about never seeing the thing that has been asked about, but I disagree that the AI pit strategy sucks, should I pick the first option or the second? Some people might go for the first, some for the second and others may just ignore the poll altogether. What you end up with is a useless poll because you have no idea how to interpret the results.

 

[LSFDRX]

No.

Correct.

Which has nothing to do with the question asked, which is the problem here.

It's not a dig at someone, it's a dig at the poll. It may be funny to add a joke like that to the poll but it's inevitably going to skew the results because people who don't agree with the joke may be hesitant to pick an option, or they may be confused about which option to choose. If I agree with the part about never seeing the thing that has been asked about, but I disagree that the AI pit strategy sucks, should I pick the first option or the second? Some people might go for the first, some for the second and others may just ignore the poll altogether. What you end up with is a useless poll because you have no idea how to interpret the results.

I left out a word in the first option and can't correct it. That's a bigger issue than this.

You're reading into this waaay too much. If someone is confused by this then so be it, but if they are confused then their answer could never be counted on anyway.

One could argue that "AI pit strategy sucks" is counter to them going through the pits quickly, and supports the option.

In the end though, none of this matters much at all.

 

[eran0004]

You're reading into this waaay too much. If someone is confused by this then so be it, but if they are confused then their answer could never be counted on anyway.

If the poll was designed well you would reduce the risk of confusion and the results would be more reliable.

Just look at the two votes for the first option. Did they vote like that because they have seen the AI speed through the pits, or because they don't agree that the AI pit strategy sucks? With the way the poll is designed you have no idea of knowing without asking them.

One could argue that "AI pit strategy sucks" is counter to them going through the pits quickly, and supports the option.

Pit strategy is not about speeding through the pit without losing time (unless your goal is to get black flagged and have your racing license suspended). Someone could argue that it does and vote based on that argument, but it's not the general understanding of what pit strategy is so it doesn't help to make the poll less confusing.

In the end though, none of this matters much at all.

It doesn't. But you created the poll because you wanted to know if there was some truth to the claims you saw on Facebook, so you still wanted to get good data.