Islam - What's your view on it?

[Dennisch]

racism

Islam isn't a race.

 

[TexRex]

Here, have a link with opposing views about the terrorist.

https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/ae9g2nW_460svvp9.webm

AAAAAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

So apparently this is making the rounds.

If they say they do it for Islam, believe them. If they say they're anti-Islam, they're lying.

Who is Maral Salmassi anyway? A "musician." Apparently this is the anti-Islam version of latching onto everything Kid Rock says because the bitch supports Trump.

 

[MatskiMonk]

FWIW, these kinds of discussion are often framed in the context of immigration - letting the Muslims in - Clinton has already brought it up. Immigration isn't based on religion, it's based on nationality, and as far as pretty much anywhere is concerned racial discrimination is "any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin".

If you've got a problem with Islam, indeed it's not racist, but a lot of the downstream conversation about it is. As soon as your solution to the problem is to stop immigration, it becomes racist.

 

[sw3g005]

Islam isn't a race.

There's plenty of credible evidence suggesting anti-Islam motives from the attacker, yet you assume the attacker to be an Islamist anyway because he's an arab. Sounds like textbook racism to me.

Also, "Islam is not a race" is the oldest, most tired excuse in the anti-Islam playbook. Everyone knows it technically isn't, but as @MatskiMonk so neatly pointed out, so much of the discussion surrounding it is, and pending on who you ask, sometimes it is a race - I've even heard anti-Islam people describe others as "looking Muslim" in a pejorative way. So... Nice try I guess? You ain't fooling me though lol.

 

[TexRex]

There's plenty of credible evidence suggesting anti-Islam motives from the attacker, yet you assume the attacker to be an Islamist anyway because he's an arab. Sounds like textbook racism to me.

That one's not gonna think any evidence that doesn't support their preferred narrative is credible.

 

[Clinton Ducks]

yet you assume the attacker to be an Islamist anyway because he's an arab.

And that he rammed a vehicle into people at a Christmas market

 

[Imari]

Probably better to keep your extreme views to yourself, just in case someone goes out and starts shooting the people you don’t like on your behalf

Mate, you can incite an insurrection against the government in the US and not get prosecuted for it. I think some dude on a random internet forum will be fine.

 

[novcze]

I have trust issues with politicians who lie through their teeth, and this situation isn't different. The Germans are afraid that they will also see a right wing rise in their political landscape and this story is far too convenient for my liking.

I don’t know what’s going on, but something doesn’t add up. The guy is anti-Islam, yet he plows through a Christmas market. Then again, he’s a psychiatrist, so maybe it’s some kind of professional deformation. Of course, Maral Salmassi's explanation could also be true, regardless of what some people here think.

 

[TexRex]

I don’t know what’s going on, but something doesn’t add up.

Trying to count to ten when you lost three fingers to the garbage disposal.

 

[Scaff]

I don’t know what’s going on, but something doesn’t add up. The guy is anti-Islam, yet he plows through a Christmas market. Then again, he’s a psychiatrist, so maybe it’s some kind of professional deformation. Of course, Maral Salmassi's explanation could also be true, regardless of what some people here think.

If it had been a white AfD follower, mad at the German government would you be asking the same?

 

[Milouse]

The attacker has a several year long history of harrasement behavior towards several atheist activists that led him to court. He was known to be deranged by some atheist circles (he pushed some conspiracy theories) and failed to recruit among ex-muslims in his "crusades" before turning against them. Yet, there's no doubt he wasn't a Muslim.

@TexRex Please choose your words carrefully when you rightfully target anti-muslims, as there are genuine reasons to oppose an ideology, including religion, especially in the case of fascist ideology.

 

[TexRex]

@TexRex Please choose your words carrefully when you rightfully target anti-muslims,

I am. They're vermin and a thorough culling would fill me with joy.

as there are genuine reasons to oppose an ideology, including religion, especially in the case of fascist ideology.

I have nothing against opposition to shared delusions. You'd have to be stupid to get that from what I've posted, even if you haven't seen me expressing opposition myself.

No, what I'm against is guilt by association, especially when association is as broad as belief in the same sky daddy and those who believe in it are cast in the same light as the rats what perpetrate atrocities purportedly in the name of it.

Edit: There needn't be association at all.

Murder of Balbir Singh Sodhi - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[ScottPuss20]

I am. They're vermin and a thorough culling would fill me with joy.

For someone who pushes for inclusion, this flies in the face of everything you stand for.

 

[TexRex]

For someone who pushes for inclusion, this flies in the face of everything you stand for.

"FoR sOmeOnE wHo PuShEs FoR iNcLuSiOn."

Quote me doing so.

 

[ScottPuss20]

"FoR sOmeOnE wHo PuShEs FoR iNcLuSiOn."

Quote me doing so.

Didn't you call out J.K Rowling for not being inclusive?

 

[TexRex]

Didn't you call out J.K Rowling for not being inclusive?

 

[ScottPuss20]

It's a day that ends in Y, which means Republicans are throwing a bathroom bitchfit.

Alabama lawmakers advance transgender students bathroom ban

The effort by Alabama legislators comes after the U.S. Supreme Court last year rejected a Virginia school board's appeal to reinstate its transgender bathroom ban.

www.npr.org

Alabama HB322 | 2022 | Regular Session

Bill Text (2022-04-07) Public schools, restrooms or changing areas, required to be used based on individual's biological sex, kindergarden to fifth grade classroom instruction, limited regarding sexual orientation or gender identity, St. Board of Education to adopt rules [Delivered to Governor at 9:

legiscan.com

So much of a bitchfit that a bill that just passed in the Alabama State House of Representatives has 45 signatories...and every single one of the worthless mother****ers is Republican. The GOP is a ****ing cancer.

Is this better?

 

[TexRex]

Is this better?

Than what? Are you so dim as to interpret opposition to the state jumping on culture war stupidity and adopting policy which violates rights without preserving rights as "inclusivity"? Refer to my post in the transgender thread in which I talk about the presence of penises not being legitimate harm, where any number of things including a cat swung by its tail is a more useful weapon.

I was under the impression your defect was physical and not cognitive.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Than what? Are you so dim as to interpret opposition to the state jumping on culture war stupidity and adopting policy which violates rights without preserving rights? Refer to my post in the transgender thread in which I talk about the presence of penises not being legitimate harm, where any number of things including a cat swung by its tail is a more useful weapon.

I was under the impression your defect was physical and not cognitive.

In what world do you think that banning gendered toilets is fair? Also, rich of you to assume that I'm mentally retarded when you go around calling for the extermination of conservatives...

 

[TexRex]

In what world do you think that banning gendered toilets is fair?

The presence of any individual who doesn't conform to your conceptions of gender acceptability in bathrooms or any shared space isn't unfair, it isn't harm, and it isn't a violaton of rights.

Also, rich of you to assume that I'm mentally retarded when you go around calling for the extermination of conservatives...

Oh, please, no, don't cry about it. Do anything but cry about it. I couldn't possibly bear that.

Also, lol. lmao, even. "Conservatives." I said those rats what blame individuals for the heinous acts of others based on strained associations and you took that to mean conservatives. You're telling on yourself.

Edit: Actually I don't suppose you think it's wrong that an innocent Sikh-American, a father and husband, was gunned down in retaliation for a terrorist attack perpetrated by Arabs because you really are that thoroughly broken.

 

[ScottPuss20]

The presence of any individual who doesn't conform to your conceptions of gender acceptability in bathrooms or any shared space isn't unfair, it isn't harm, and it isn't a violaton of rights.

Most people are either male or female. Let's not let the views of a few trans people ruin everything.

Oh, please, no, don't cry about it. Do anything but cry about it. I couldn't possibly bear that.

Oh you don't want me to cry about it? Can't you see the insult?

Also, lol. lmao, even. "Conservatives." I said those rats what blame individuals for the heinous acts of others based on strained associations and you took that to mean conservatives. You're telling on yourself.

That's not what I've told myself, that's literally what you've said.

Edit: Actually I don't suppose you think it's wrong that an innocent Sikh-American, a father and husband, was gunned down in retaliation for a terrorist attack perpetrated by Arabs because you really are that thoroughly broken.

I don't know what to say about this.

 

[TexRex]

Most people are either male or female.

Cool. What are the rest?

Let's not let the views of a few trans people ruin everything.

"Ruin." The presence of any individual in any shared space is not harm and violates no rights.

Why are you pissing your pants about trannies in the Islam thread anyway? One isn't really to do with the other apart from my expectation that Muslims don't like them just as they don't like the gays. Muslims do frequently believe plenty of stupid and wrong things.

Oh you don't want me to cry about it?

Can't you see the insult?

Don't say stupid things and I won't be in a position to wonder whether it's due to ignorance or cognitive disability.

That's not what I've told myself, that's literally what you've said.

In none of my posts containing remarks to which you referred did I say anything about conservatives, in the remarks to which you referred or any others in those posts. You can tell this by the absence of the word "conservative" or any derivative.

Edit: Also, I said you're telling ON yourself. Which is to say that your interpreting my remarks about those vermin what engage in collective blame being about conservatives is telling of what you think about conservatives, yourself included.

I don't know what to say about this.

I mean, you could say it is wrong...if you were so inclined. Hell, you could even fake it.

See, a rat bitch (now dead--yay!) watched the 9/11 attacks and wanted to hurt someone it viewed as being responsible. The rat bitch targeted Balbir Singh Sodhi, a Sikh-American who had nothing to do with the attacks and was in no substantive way associated with the vermin what perpetrated them. The rat bitch gunned him down. Murdered him in cold blood.

Police arrested [the rat bitch] the next day, initially unaware of the later shooting incidents. [The rat bitch] reportedly shouted slogans including "I am a patriot!" and "I stand for America all the way!" during [its] arrest.

Gosh, that's some familiar rhetoric, huh?

At the time of the shooting, Sodhi was helping landscaper Luis Ledesma plant flowers around the edge of his gas station in order to commemorate the lives of those lost in the 9/11 attacks.

Anyway, guilt by association is bad. And not just when there is no substantive association, as above. But the anti-Muslims want it, so why shouldn't the anti-Muslims get it themselves? Blame all anti-Muslims for harms perpetrated by other anti-Muslims. Round them up and put them down.

I'm not being sincere when I talk about cullings. I even said as much:

Anyway, even if my remarks were sincere, I'm not talking about lawlessness. I'm talking about policy. Official action by the state to protect innocents against the actions of extremists.

I'm feigning advocacy for the extreme position to show how extreme--and absurd--it is.

 

[Ryan81]

Like all religions, my views aren't particularly positive.

 

[novcze]

If it had been a white AfD follower, mad at the German government would you be asking the same?

Yes, because it doesn’t make sense. One doesn’t target completely unrelated people. Even Breivik targeted relatives of politicians who implemented certain policies (not that it makes his actions any less reprehensible).

Of course, there’s also the possibility that he’s mad because he escaped an Islamic theocracy, and now the German government, elected by the people, is turning a blind eye to Islamization. As a result, he acted indiscriminately. However, this is just one of many possibilities, and neither you nor I have enough information to know the truth.

And by the way, just because someone questions his motives and the information provided by politicians doesn’t make them stupid, as someone here insinuated.

 

[Scaff]

The attacker has a several year long history of harrasement behavior towards several atheist activists that led him to court. He was known to be deranged by some atheist circles (he pushed some conspiracy theories) and failed to recruit among ex-muslims in his "crusades" before turning against them.

Atheist groups aren't a singular homogenous group who all agree on everything, if you want an example of that take a look at the hilarious infighting and fall-out that's happening right among flat-earthers over the 24 hour sun.

Yet, there's no doubt he wasn't a Muslim.

Doubt will always exist, but I also see a lot of people seemingly scrabbling for alternative naratives.

Most people are either male or female. Let's not let the views of a few trans people ruin everything.

So you're saying that transphobia is actually the fault of trans people? Yeah, that's not the case at all.

Yes, because it doesn’t make sense. One doesn’t target completely unrelated people.

If terror is your end goal you do, it's not the first time and it will not be the last time. It's also arguable not indiscriminate, if you're angry at the German state, then a target that embodies 'Germany' (and Christmas markets do) is not indiscriminate.

Of course, there’s also the possibility that he’s mad because he escaped an Islamic theocracy, and now the German government, elected by the people, is turning a blind eye to Islamization. As a result, he acted indiscriminately. However, this is just one of many possibilities, and neither you nor I have enough information to know the truth.

Indeed, but I'm not the one searching for, and posting 'alternatives' no matter how dubious the sources for them (or lack of), I'm working with what we know right now, and based on credible evidence (as and when it emerges), I will happily re-evaluate that.

And by the way, just because someone questions his motives and the information provided by politicians doesn’t make them stupid, as someone here insinuated.

So report it, using the report function.

 

[TexRex]

And by the way, just because someone questions his motives and the information provided by politicians doesn’t make them stupid, as someone here insinuated.

lol. "PrOvIdEd By PoLiTiCiAnS."

 

[ScottPuss20]

So you're saying that transphobia is actually the fault of trans people? Yeah, that's not the case at all.

I never said anything of the sort but there are some very vocal trans people pushing dangerous ideologies. In a way, those vocal types are doing a disservice to those who are not. I’d like to think that most trans people just want to get on with their lives and not preach.

 

[TexRex]

I never said anything of the sort

Gosh.

 

[Imari]

Most people are either male or female. Let's not let the views of a few trans people ruin everything.

Most people aren't disabled. Let's not let the views of a few disabled people ruin everything. We can start with you.

Perhaps you can see why this sort of wholesale dismissal of the opinion of a minority group might be harmful. Given how disabled people are treated generally, I expect you've experienced this first hand. Yet you can't extrapolate your own experience to other minority groups who would benefit from recognition and support and negligible or nil cost to the general population.

 

[Moglet]

In what world do you think that banning gendered toilets is fair?

Is anyone actually trying to do this? I've heard this a few times online and have never found any evidence for it.