James Allen Returns...

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Yep, you heard right. James Allen will be returning to F1 with BBC 5Live for next season. I think that to save money, when the BBC Broadcast the live races, they'll use the 5Live Commentary instead of hiring a Commentary Team for 10 Races. Allen's Co-Commentator is yet to be announced, my guess is Anthony Davidson.

Any thoughts?
 
Anthony Davidson is away to Sky along with Brundle, Croft and "Lenny".
 
Anthony Davidson is away to Sky along with Brundle, Croft and "Lenny".

I see, that means that anyone could take the helm. Let's be hopeful it's not Legard.
 
I'm going to be brave, because I've always felt in the minority;

I don't like Ben Edwards' commentary.

I have just never warmed to it.
 
That was when both were on BBC and BTCC was mainly highlights rather than live (if I remember right, the highlights were shown weeks later - not the same day like F1 gets!).
There are several BTCC meetings which clash this year with F1 so its highly unlikely, I can't see Ben somehow recording the commentary for F1 highlights as well as commentating live on BTCC races between 11am and 6pm...

ITV will probably go for Simon Hill or Richard John-Neill to replace Ben. I've heard Tim Harvey also wants to stop, which is also a great shame. Who knows who to replace Tim with, Phil Glew?
Some hope that Charlie Cox will return but I think he's happy doing MotoGP for the BBC.
 
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That was when both were on BBC and BTCC was mainly highlights rather than live.
There are several BTCC meetings which clash this year with F1 so its highly unlikely, I can't see Ben somehow recording the commentary for F1 highlights as well as commentating live on BTCC races between 11am and 6pm...
Well in that case I must agree. It does not appear to be workable. :indiff:
 
I never had a problem with Allen appart from him acting as if he was in love with Lewis Hamilton.
 
Alot better than Legard though.

Indeed. I couldn't stand his commentary, I'm disappointed to see that Brundle will be slipping back into a Co-Commentator Role.
 
I never had a problem with Allen appart from him acting as if he was in love with Lewis Hamilton.

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This was only major problem. 👎

I got sick of Allen long before Hamilton-fest happened:





Its like someone at ITV said "try and act like Murray Walker" and he just went well OTT with it. I guess I wouldn't have minded him in his more quieter moments where he just stuck to commentating rather than shouting random rubbish. But he never did calm down.
 
I got sick of Allen long before Hamilton-fest happened:



That was an example I was gonna use.

It's a common fact that James Allen caused half of the world's headaches from 2001-2008 when he was in the commentary box.
 
I hated this guy. He's worse than Jonathon Legard, who commentated like he was simultaneously running for a train. :lol: Why can't Murray Walker just come back?
 
I hated this guy. He's worse than Jonathon Legard, who commentated like he was simultaneously running for a train. :lol: Why can't Murray Walker just come back?

True Walker was a god.

Walker and brundle together would be fantastic.
 
The problem I have with Ben Edwards and James Allen is their hyperactivity. I can't stand it. I prefer a much more sedate commentator who is not afraid to speak their mind like Brundle or Harvey.

itsreallyannoyingwhensomethinggoodhappensandbenewardsstartstalkingandhejuststartslistingthingslikehesabouttorunoutofpipsinapublictelephonebox.

But what about Murray Walker? Of course, I adore Murray Walker. But Murray is Murray. He's a one off. There won't be someone who even comes close to Graeme Murray Walker, OBE. I don't think I can think of any other commentator or pundit who gets as many things wrong as Murray did and isn't ridiculed for it in some way.
 
I'm going to be brave, because I've always felt in the minority;

I don't like Ben Edwards' commentary.

I have just never warmed to it.

No, I've never warmed to it either. Always a bit screechy for my liking.

Legard was (and I can't believe I'm about to type this) worse than Allen, mainly because he didn't seem to have any affinity for Formula 1. He just did it in a Catchphrase stye (say what you see, it's good, but it isn't right). I understand that it's easier to sit at home and criticise a commentator than it is to commentate, but Legard too often let us into his own view of the sport. I remember this exchange:

Legard: And his rear wing is broken
Brundle: [incredulous pause] It's the front wing that's gone
Legard: Front wing, rear wing, whatever, his wing's broken.

Allen would never have made a mistake like that, not because he's any brighter than Legard, but because he has a much greater empathy for the sport. It's much more in his psyche, his way of thinking. It's more natural to him because he understands the terminology, understands the cars, and the drivers.

[I'm going to take a small pause now, because what I'm about to write will appear to contradict what I've just written]

Where Allen was unforgivably awful was that in live-time he was completely unable to read a race. Even though Autosport magazine's genius Mark Hughes was quietly in the background, Allen consistently found himself misidentifying cars around pitstops, and failing to understand the significance of passing manouvres on track. So two cars that were battling would pit a couple of laps apart. When one came back out on track, he'd frequently (and I mean at least once per race) mentally re-pair the battling cars. So, for example, Schumacher and Alonso would be scrapping for the lead, with Schumacher in front, Alonso would pit, and rejoin in front of Massa. Allen would get overexcited about this being a pass for the lead, when it was clear to anyone who was actually watching the race that Schumacher was 30s down the road.

He would get it wrong the other way around too, ignoring a pass that was actually an effective lead change.

My other big bugbear with him was that he was inconsistent with his reading of times, and he would often overinterpret things. So he'd say that one car was going faster in response to a time that another one had set, yet the two cars were only around 200m away from each other on-track.

So, in summary: Legard had no love for the sport, and was the worst. Allen loves the sport, but has no ability to read the race, and was therefore terrible.

And let's not forget that Allen was commentating in the pre-DRS, low-life tyre age. Imagine how he must have felt watching the races in 2011!
 
Walker was just plain annoying, I could barely tolerate him when he commentated on F1. And having met him briefly at Silverstone I've got to say I dislike him as a person too.
 
No, I've never warmed to it either. Always a bit screechy for my liking.

Legard was (and I can't believe I'm about to type this) worse than Allen, mainly because he didn't seem to have any affinity for Formula 1. He just did it in a Catchphrase stye (say what you see, it's good, but it isn't right). I understand that it's easier to sit at home and criticise a commentator than it is to commentate, but Legard too often let us into his own view of the sport. I remember this exchange:

Legard: And his rear wing is broken
Brundle: [incredulous pause] It's the front wing that's gone
Legard: Front wing, rear wing, whatever, his wing's broken.

Allen would never have made a mistake like that, not because he's any brighter than Legard, but because he has a much greater empathy for the sport. It's much more in his psyche, his way of thinking. It's more natural to him because he understands the terminology, understands the cars, and the drivers.

[I'm going to take a small pause now, because what I'm about to write will appear to contradict what I've just written]

Where Allen was unforgivably awful was that in live-time he was completely unable to read a race. Even though Autosport magazine's genius Mark Hughes was quietly in the background, Allen consistently found himself misidentifying cars around pitstops, and failing to understand the significance of passing manouvres on track. So two cars that were battling would pit a couple of laps apart. When one came back out on track, he'd frequently (and I mean at least once per race) mentally re-pair the battling cars. So, for example, Schumacher and Alonso would be scrapping for the lead, with Schumacher in front, Alonso would pit, and rejoin in front of Massa. Allen would get overexcited about this being a pass for the lead, when it was clear to anyone who was actually watching the race that Schumacher was 30s down the road.

He would get it wrong the other way around too, ignoring a pass that was actually an effective lead change.

My other big bugbear with him was that he was inconsistent with his reading of times, and he would often overinterpret things. So he'd say that one car was going faster in response to a time that another one had set, yet the two cars were only around 200m away from each other on-track.

So, in summary: Legard had no love for the sport, and was the worst. Allen loves the sport, but has no ability to read the race, and was therefore terrible.

And let's not forget that Allen was commentating in the pre-DRS, low-life tyre age. Imagine how he must have felt watching the races in 2011!

I feel he may have had time to mature and reflect on his 4 years out of commentating, time will tell.

Walker was just plain annoying, I could barely tolerate him when he commentated on F1. And having met him briefly at Silverstone I've got to say I dislike him as a person too.

Murray Walker, annoying? What planet are you on?
 
Walker was just plain annoying, I could barely tolerate him when he commentated on F1. And having met him briefly at Silverstone I've got to say I dislike him as a person too.

I will not tollerate you talking like this.

Seriously though walker was like marmite you either love him completly or hate him and I can understand the latter view but im firmly with the majority and love him.
 
I will not tollerate you talking like this.

Seriously though walker was like marmite you either love him completly or hate him and I can understand the latter view but im firmly with the majority and love him.


An utter plank at times, but yes I did like him.
 
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